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6 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Nice job Randy!  Love all the data.  Keep at it 👍.

thanks Bill!

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Also, found out I finished 14th in my flight out of 25. If the three holes I got 8s on were pars instead, I tie for 1st net. Great experience and know I am not that far from some good golf. 

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3wHL: :callaway-small: Rogue ST LS 75x  Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink

7w: :callaway-small:Apex UW 21* MMT 80S

DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore 

Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

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Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0

Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

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Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023

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1 hour ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Also, found out I finished 14th in my flight out of 25. If the three holes I got 8s on were pars instead, I tie for 1st net. Great experience and know I am not that far from some good golf. 

Nice man!!! Keep it going!

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5 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Also, found out I finished 14th in my flight out of 25. If the three holes I got 8s on were pars instead, I tie for 1st net. Great experience and know I am not that far from some good golf. 

You’ll get there Randy.  Reading about all the times you “lost focus”… what else were you focusing on?  Or maybe just trying too hard?  “Stop thinking… let things happen… and be the ball”. 😃

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7 hours ago, Kenny B said:

You’ll get there Randy.  Reading about all the times you “lost focus”… what else were you focusing on?  Or maybe just trying too hard?  “Stop thinking… let things happen… and be the ball”. 😃

Thanks Kenny. I believe it’s not playing shot by shot and looking ahead. This is where mindfulness comes in. Just need to keep growing that part and understand to just love in the moment. 

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

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treated myself to Adam Young's strike plan for my birthday to help my striking issues with long irons. The information is very applicable. also came with one month of NLG, so soaking that up while i can. Also have the accuracy plan. I feel like I am in a good spot technique wise to work on a bunch of skill development. Then come winter, revisit any technique needs along with some more skill based stuff.

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

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Had a TrackMan session today for looking at dispersion and gapping. Highly recommend Alex Carey at meriwether National for those in pdx area. Good price and he is wanting to become a pga pro and this gives him experience. 
 

Hit all my clubs and hit them well. Stock swings so not 100% effort. The guy was shocked when he heard my handicap seeing how I hit it all. Big confidence boost. 

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

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Reviewed my TrackMan data and added in a 5% correction for range ball to premium. (First three columns are TrackMan data with range balls) Looks like I either need to learn to hit my 4i better or swap in a 5h. Also my 6i seemed off. Need to keep an eye on it. 
 

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

Shot Tracking: :ShotScope:

Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0

Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

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Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23)

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 :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)

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For prosperity. Was a great zoom lesson. Great guy to talk to. talked a lot of concepts that we have worked on prior. I did mention in another thread that I likely got out of sync due to speed training. For the next year I am clearly only going to focus on swing work to really ingrain these feels. My swing felt effortless here. These are 15% swings (the new feels). My big thing is making sure I practice them properly. Lead shoulder under chin, drop arms to start transition, then rotate through.

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

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This popped up in my inbox today.

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Going to try the stance alignment drill in it to see if that is causing me issues. I normally align my ball to the line and then take my stance square to the ball alignment. 

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Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

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Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

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Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023

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 :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)

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8 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

This popped up in my inbox today.

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Going to try the stance alignment drill in it to see if that is causing me issues. I normally align my ball to the line and then take my stance square to the ball alignment. 

When you line up the ball to your intended line, are you hitting your mark?  If you are, then your alignment is good.  If not then this drill might be good.  

You might want to take a look at whether your upper or lower body moves during the stroke.  When we make full swings, we rotate the body, and that feeling can creep in to our putting stroke.  My tendency was to rotate my lower body on the through stroke which led to a left miss.  Because I was doing that, I compensated for it by pushing my stroke to the right.  It doesn't take much movement to make a straight putt miss.  Similarly, rotating the upper body in backstroke or through stroke is bad.  If a golf swing is OTT, it's very likely a putt will be also be out-to-in and cut spin will be put on the ball.  I know a guy here that putts like that; sometimes he's pretty good but he misses a lot of putts he should make.  I can't watch him putt.  

 

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So I counted my putts from my last two nines. Total of 42 putts. Yuck. Need to clean that up. I mentioned in the practice thread I realized something today and hope it helps me this week v

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7w: :callaway-small:Apex UW 21* MMT 80S

DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g

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Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore 

Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

Shot Tracking: :ShotScope:

Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0

Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

My Reviews:

Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023

Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23)

 :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

 :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)

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56 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

So I counted my putts from my last two nines. Total of 42 putts. Yuck. Need to clean that up. I mentioned in the practice thread I realized something today and hope it helps me this week v

Randy, when you get it down to 32, you will be breaking 90 easily.  Hope you get it figured out.  

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10 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Randy, when you get it down to 32, you will be breaking 90 easily.  Hope you get it figured out.  

Hell, if I could get it just down to 36 I’d be doing that. Thanks Kenny!

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7w: :callaway-small:Apex UW 21* MMT 80S

DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore 

Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

Shot Tracking: :ShotScope:

Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0

Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

My Reviews:

Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023

Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23)

 :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

 :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)

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3 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Hell, if I could get it just down to 36 I’d be doing that. Thanks Kenny!

I can get down to 36 from time to time, but 41s don't help.  My issue is that I am now giving up more with poor course management and stinky contact (getting better).  I need to put myself in more positions where a reasonable approach is in reach and can really work on my short game.

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9 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Hell, if I could get it just down to 36 I’d be doing that. Thanks Kenny!

I don’t like to just throw out putt counts because if I hit 18 greens and had 36 putts I’d be at par. 😁   I don’t know why your putt numbers are so high and whether it is short game issues or putting issues.   If we assume putting, then we need to look at the various skills.   Is it a stroke problem - can you consistently hit your intended line when trying to hit the ball different distances.   What is your make rate inside of 3’.  Is it a speed issue?  Putts are going to be long and short, but are you able to get them inside of 3’?   Green reading?  Unless you are solid with stroke and speed green reading can probably wait unless you always get the wrong break direction.    Speed generally trumps everything, with good speed control you should be able to be a decent putter.  Unfortunately speed control practice is difficult unless you go,to the course since you need to have 20-50 feet of space to putt.   

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

I don’t like to just throw out putt counts because if I hit 18 greens and had 36 putts I’d be at par. 😁   I don’t know why your putt numbers are so high and whether it is short game issues or putting issues.   If we assume putting, then we need to look at the various skills.   Is it a stroke problem - can you consistently hit your intended line when trying to hit the ball different distances.   What is your make rate inside of 3’.  Is it a speed issue?  Putts are going to be long and short, but are you able to get them inside of 3’?   Green reading?  Unless you are solid with stroke and speed green reading can probably wait unless you always get the wrong break direction.    Speed generally trumps everything, with good speed control you should be able to be a decent putter.  Unfortunately speed control practice is difficult unless you go,to the course since you need to have 20-50 feet of space to putt.   

So today, another 22 putt 9. with 5 three putts. 2 of those were due to mis reads that left the ball on the low side of the hole and then was left with a 9' and 13' comebacker. My speed control on lag putts has been off, especially on downhill putts. With the stimp of the course I play, the downhills just roll forever. I guess I need to hit those softer and just play for more break. Up hill, I just don't hit them hard enough and leave myself 7-9 ft putts. Today I hit those under ten foot putts much better today. I then spent 20 mins on the putting green and really focused on softer touch on downhills with more break being played with the goal to keep the ball within 3-4'. Same for the uphills.

2nd putts today (short or long from hole after first putt) : 13' (Long), 6' (long), 6' (Short), 9' (short), 8' (short), 13' (Long, misread), 9' (long, misread), 2' (Left of hole, hole high).

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4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore 

Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue 

 

Ball:  TBD

Shot Tracking: :ShotScope:

Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0

Grip: Lamkin Sonar +  Midsize 

My Reviews:

Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023

Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23)

 :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

 :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)

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27 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

So today, another 22 putt 9. with 5 three putts. 2 of those were due to mis reads that left the ball on the low side of the hole and then was left with a 9' and 13' comebacker. My speed control on lag putts has been off, especially on downhill putts. With the stimp of the course I play, the downhills just roll forever. I guess I need to hit those softer and just play for more break. Up hill, I just don't hit them hard enough and leave myself 7-9 ft putts. Today I hit those under ten foot putts much better today. I then spent 20 mins on the putting green and really focused on softer touch on downhills with more break being played with the goal to keep the ball within 3-4'. Same for the uphills.

2nd putts today (short or long from hole after first putt) : 13' (Long), 6' (long), 6' (Short), 9' (short), 8' (short), 13' (Long, misread), 9' (long, misread), 2' (Left of hole, hole high).

IMO, based on those 2nd putt distances read isn’t your biggest problem, it is speed.  Until you can control speed, reading putts will be very difficult since read is determined by speed.   I know you are doing aimpoint, which gives you a place to aim, but you still have to hit the putt with the right speed for that point to be correct.  On flat surfaces can you hit putts the right distance?  If not get that dialed in and the learn the adjustments for uphill and downhill slopes. 

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17 minutes ago, cnosil said:

IMO, based on those 2nd putt distances read isn’t your biggest problem, it is speed.  Until you can control speed, reading putts will be very difficult since read is determined by speed.   I know you are doing aimpoint, which gives you a place to aim, but you still have to hit the putt with the right speed for that point to be correct.  On flat surfaces can you hit putts the right distance?  If not get that dialed in and the learn the adjustments for uphill and downhill slopes. 

Thanks. That makes sense. Unfortunately I don't have a flat spot in my house (damn slants and seismic activity) and even so, I don't have a mat to give it a go (i'd like a 15' that I could put down and then roll back up since we have hard woods). The course I go to with the fast greens has slope all over their putting green, no real flat spots at all. I will keep grinding with what I can and keep my main focus on speed control.

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7 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Thanks. That makes sense. Unfortunately I don't have a flat spot in my house (damn slants and seismic activity) and even so, I don't have a mat to give it a go (i'd like a 15' that I could put down and then roll back up since we have hard woods). The course I go to with the fast greens has slope all over their putting green, no real flat spots at all. I will keep grinding with what I can and keep my main focus on speed control.

All you can do is work with what you have.  Everything is going to have some slope to accommodate water runoff and my floors arent. flat either.   Just find what has the flattest least amount if slope.  Repetition will build in the right feels over time so you can visually interpret how much extra you need on an uphill. and how much less on a downhill.   If you like math, I can point you to some documents that give you calculations on how much to add and subtract distance wise, I like to calculate a distance so it works for me.   

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1 hour ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

So today, another 22 putt 9. with 5 three putts. 2 of those were due to mis reads that left the ball on the low side of the hole and then was left with a 9' and 13' comebacker. My speed control on lag putts has been off, especially on downhill putts. With the stimp of the course I play, the downhills just roll forever. I guess I need to hit those softer and just play for more break. Up hill, I just don't hit them hard enough and leave myself 7-9 ft putts. Today I hit those under ten foot putts much better today. I then spent 20 mins on the putting green and really focused on softer touch on downhills with more break being played with the goal to keep the ball within 3-4'. Same for the uphills.

2nd putts today (short or long from hole after first putt) : 13' (Long), 6' (long), 6' (Short), 9' (short), 8' (short), 13' (Long, misread), 9' (long, misread), 2' (Left of hole, hole high).

Before every round drop a ball at 20' 30' 45' and 60' from the hole (or a tee you put in ground) on putting green and hit lags from these distances. You should setup 4 going uphill and 4 downhill to try and learn the green speed for the day and difference between up and down. If you develop some benchmarks about the length of backswing for each of these distances it should help your speed control on the course if you pace off your long putts. 

If you are rushed for time, the temptation can be to hit some drives and irons to see your shot shape for the day and loosen up. But you are dropping anywhere from 4-6 strokes putting PER 9. You aren't going to find 8+ strokes on the range pre-round, but it is helpful if you've done some putting before your first putt of the day is a 6 footer to save a par or a 40+ foot lag. This is an area you need to accumulate time and reps on over the season regardless since you do swing work at home or can go to the range. 

Learning aimpoint would probably help. You can also use aimpoint to feel the amount uphill or down the putt is and estimate how much longer or shorter that will make the putt play vs a flat putt. Distance control looks like a big problem but first putt distance would also be helpful info to compare with the numbers above. Of those 2nd putts you would only be expected to make 2-3 of 8 as an amateur. Maybe 4 on a good day...

One of the common (but few) complaints about the DF putter I have read is with distance control. With this amount of 3 putts, you may want to consider prioritizing a putter that gives you the best speed control. This is usually achieved through weighting (head/grip) and balance point of the putter. 

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Exputt putting simulator is a good option for distance control work up to 50' indoors and only requires about 5-6' of floor space plus some room to setup the camera. 

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9 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

Exputt putting simulator is a good option for distance control work up to 50' indoors and only requires about 5-6' of floor space plus some room to setup the camera. 

I’ll second that recommendation.  I use it all the time to dial in my distance control.  Didn’t recommend because I didn’t want to go down the buy a tool route to avoid financial expenditure..  

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Before every round drop a ball at 20' 30' 45' and 60' from the hole (or a tee you put in ground) on putting green and hit lags from these distances. You should setup 4 going uphill and 4 downhill to try and learn the green speed for the day and difference between up and down. If you develop some benchmarks about the length of backswing for each of these distances it should help your speed control on the course if you pace off your long putts. 

If you are rushed for time, the temptation can be to hit some drives and irons to see your shot shape for the day and loosen up. But you are dropping anywhere from 4-6 strokes putting PER 9. You aren't going to find 8+ strokes on the range pre-round, but it is helpful if you've done some putting before your first putt of the day is a 6 footer to save a par or a 40+ foot lag. This is an area you need to accumulate time and reps on over the season regardless since you do swing work at home or can go to the range. 

Learning aimpoint would probably help. You can also use aimpoint to feel the amount uphill or down the putt is and estimate how much longer or shorter that will make the putt play vs a flat putt. Distance control looks like a big problem but first putt distance would also be helpful info to compare with the numbers above. Of those 2nd putts you would only be expected to make 2-3 of 8 as an amateur. Maybe 4 on a good day...

One of the common (but few) complaints about the DF putter I have read is with distance control. With this amount of 3 putts, you may want to consider prioritizing a putter that gives you the best speed control. This is usually achieved through weighting (head/grip) and balance point of the putter. 

Last 15 nines of data. As for warm up before a round, I like your idea. I do hit the putting green prior but I dont actually pace off my putts. I can see that being helpful. I actually rarely hit the range prior as I usually arrive before the club house is open.

As for the putter, that makes sense. I wanted something more forgiving but I have noticed the speed control has been hard to dial in. My wife may kill/divorce me if I get another putter, so I am stuck with what I have. The Link actually interested me as that would give me the most feel for speed.

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42 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

Exputt putting simulator is a good option for distance control work up to 50' indoors and only requires about 5-6' of floor space plus some room to setup the camera. 

 

30 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I’ll second that recommendation.  I use it all the time to dial in my distance control.  Didn’t recommend because I didn’t want to go down the buy a tool route to avoid financial expenditure..  

great ideas but my wife already thinks I spend too much on golf stuff

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47 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Last 15 nines of data. As for warm up before a round, I like your idea. I do hit the putting green prior but I dont actually pace off my putts. I can see that being helpful. I actually rarely hit the range prior as I usually arrive before the club house is open.

As for the putter, that makes sense. I wanted something more forgiving but I have noticed the speed control has been hard to dial in. My wife may kill/divorce me if I get another putter, so I am stuck with what I have. The Link actually interested me as that would give me the most feel for speed.

 

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4 to 5 3-putts per round is very high with an average first putt distance of 17 feet or even from the most recent round using 25 ft. Based on your make percentages that is like the equivalent of hitting a 17-25' putt to 6-9' which is leaving 25-50% of the first putt length. Your goal should be 10%. Do the lags from 20/30/45/60 then do the clock drill with balls at 12, 3, 6, 9 o'clock around the hole at some distance of 4-6' to work on cleaning up the 2 putts which also helps figure out the sidehill break on those short ones. There's close to 4 strokes off your index to be had in this area. 

Since your tendency is to miss long, you could experiment with a few things to make the putter play lighter to see if it helps: gripping down closer to shaft, adding some weight to butt end of grip, or maybe moving ball position a bit closer to center (against LAB recommendation) so the backstroke isn't as long. 

There are 2 versions of the Exputt monitor, I would keep an eye for the old model (it's basically the same) and see if you could luck out and find a used one online. Should be had for $200 or less, possibly see if someone would be willing to trade for other equipment. Worst case you could sell the DF given all the craze and probably buy an Exputt and another putter that isn't in the $500 range. I am skeptical of the Link, a centre shafted blade is going to have minimal forgiveness on off-centre strikes which will be more noticeable on long lags. No published data on head weights of the putters makes it hard to figure out how they compare to a normal fitting. 

Do you only have the LAB putter or is there a previous gamer you could try? You would hope to see some benefits in the 6-12' make percentage considering that is supposed to be a strength of the DF at the expense of distance control. 

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Do you only have the LAB putter or is there a previous gamer you could try? You would hope to see some benefits in the 6-12' make percentage considering that is supposed to be a strength of the DF at the expense of distance control. 

sold my gamer after I got the LAB DF. I would hate to give up on the LAB so quickly. My putting is actually 1 stroke better from this putter than my prior gamer which was a Scotty X5. In theory I could sell my lab and get a cheap putter (I think my neighbor wants to give up on his Kirkland).

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Found this today. I tried it at home and found that i could control my speed better on my little 8ft space. Also found a nice spot on my rug to practice uphill and downhill putts with a 1% slope.

 

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I wouldn't worry so much about a putter.  With the distance issues... it's the puttee.  Given an hour on a putting green, I can get the speed figured out putting with my wedge or FW.  A putter that fits your stroke just gets you a little closer with more consistency.

 I agree with @cnosilthat you need to learn speed control, especially uphill and downhill.  That takes time especially when you need to factor in the effects of the slopes on your greens.  Even with practice greens that have a lot of slope, there should be straight putts; find a hole with the least slope around it and determine which direction is straight up and down to the hole.  Maybe you can't get 20' length, but work with you can get.  

Flat putts are the first place to start to know how much energy to put into a stroke for specific distances.  It's a feel that needs to be developed (and maintained).  If you don't have that feel, then you will be continually guessing on uphill/downhill putts.  When you get flat putts to finish near the hole, then you are in a better position to address slopes.  On downhill straight putts pick a spot part way to the hole and putt to that spot, basically pretending the putt is 3/4, 2/3, 1/2, or 1/3 of the way to the hole.  Uphill putts are just the opposite; forget the hole and look past it to a spot.  Trick your brain.

Personally, I wouldn't worry much about how much a putt breaks on a slope until you can control speed of straight putts.  Every putt is a straight putt, and you need to figure out how hard to hit the ball.  Then you can start calculating where to align your straight putt for breakers.

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Thanks all. Ya, my perception of speed is just flat off and needs recalibration. I will try to get out to my typical course on Thursday and spend a good chuck of time on the putting green working on speed feels and will do a better job prior to my nine on Saturday calibrating.

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