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2020 Official Member Review: Cleveland RTX Zipcore Tour Rack (RAW) wedges


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Let’s get ready to rumble!!! (The 58 got a head start on the patina already near the hosel)

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with XStiff :Fuji:Pro Black 63 

3W: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with HZRDUS Yellow 6.5 UPRT or PXG 0311X HZRDUS Smoke Black S 2.5* upright

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting

4-AW: PXG 0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges  54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up  **Testing :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid**

Putter: :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34"

Ball: :Snell:or KSigs or :taylormade-small: TP5 pix 2.0

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Z i p k o r e season has arrived!

Well being so close to Cleveland HQ certainly helped this get here so quickly (Huntington Beach, not actually Cleveland). Nice to come home to after a not so great round. Beautiful wedges, alm

Two K/C orys enter, only one can make it out alive.....       Just kidding! Stoked to be testing alongside some new MGS fam! Just got married yesterday, and since we're not going a

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I could go bankrupt if I spent any time in the customizing section on the website.  I want all of the grinds.  All of them. 
 

How do you all like the ball flight?  I really enjoyed the flatter flight with the 46° Reg ZipCore.

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Cleveland does make a beautiful wedge...

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2 hours ago, Shankster said:

I could go bankrupt if I spent any time in the customizing section on the website.  I want all of the grinds.  All of them. 
 

How do you all like the ball flight?  I really enjoyed the flatter flight with the 46° Reg ZipCore.

Will let you know after tomorrow 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with XStiff :Fuji:Pro Black 63 

3W: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with HZRDUS Yellow 6.5 UPRT or PXG 0311X HZRDUS Smoke Black S 2.5* upright

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting

4-AW: PXG 0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges  54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up  **Testing :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid**

Putter: :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34"

Ball: :Snell:or KSigs or :taylormade-small: TP5 pix 2.0

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3 hours ago, Shankster said:

How do you all like the ball flight?

All my wedges tend to fly high on full swings, so I can’t speak to a flatter ball flight, but my 56* is getting the same distance as my old wedge which was a degree stronger and seems to be stopping on a dime.

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Driver: Honma TW747 460 VIZARD 50 S-flex
7 wood: Honma TW747
Irons: TaylorMade M Gloire 6-AW Fujikura Speeder SR-Flex
Wedges: (testing) Cleveland RTX Zipcore Raw 56*/60*
Putter: SeeMore Mini Giant Deep Flange 34”

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On 10/28/2020 at 3:41 PM, Shankster said:

I could go bankrupt if I spent any time in the customizing section on the website.  I want all of the grinds.  All of them. 
 

How do you all like the ball flight?  I really enjoyed the flatter flight with the 46° Reg ZipCore.

Didn’t strike the 54 that well but the 58 was high and soft. Distance maybe 5 yards short of my current 54. Will need to test on the course to really gauge. I will say on pitches these seem really easy to flight high or low. Again the real tests will come on the course. 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with XStiff :Fuji:Pro Black 63 

3W: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with HZRDUS Yellow 6.5 UPRT or PXG 0311X HZRDUS Smoke Black S 2.5* upright

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting

4-AW: PXG 0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges  54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up  **Testing :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid**

Putter: :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34"

Ball: :Snell:or KSigs or :taylormade-small: TP5 pix 2.0

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Threw the Zipcores in the bag today for the weekly after-work 9. I was debating holding off until I got my shafts installed, but who am I kidding to think I could just leave the new shiny clubs at home?

As you might've seen in my pictures on the previous page, I went with the following setup:

  • 54* / Full Bounce / S-shaped grind / Hand Polished Finish
  • 58* / Low Bounce / Relief Edge grind / Hand Polished Finish

My reasoning for the 54 is that I wanted an absolute weapon out of the bunkers. I like to open my SW face up because I find it easier than "chunk-and-run" -- I try to keep my hands low throughout the shot and keep the face pointing to the sky -- and clear my mind of every other thought. So with the amount of bounce and the grind, I'm hoping that the club will just get under the ball without going too deep and help me play the shot that I'm comfortable playing.

For the 58, I wanted the most versatile wedge I could get, and per their site, a low-bounce Relief Edge grind is just that. The reason is because I don't use my lob wedge often. When I do, it's because I'm about to do something sketchy. A full shot with a 58 is very, very rare for me -- I'm much more comfortable knocking down a 54.

I don't really notice that these fly any higher or lower than my RTX4's do, but it's a very small sample size as the longest shot I hit with either of them was from 70y. Took out the 54* and gave it a 3/4 swing and left it 12' below the hole. The ground interaction with the Zipcore Full sole, definitely feels different from my RTX4 Mid. I don't really know how to describe it with words, but it just feels like there's more sole there than normal, like those old school Alien wedges. Unfortunately, aside from that shot I didn't really have anything more than a couple standard, straight-forward chip shots from around the green.

Golf in the state just moved to "reopening level 2.5" or whatever they're calling it -- so the practice areas are open again. Excited to take the shag tube to the course and practice some touch shots, and some Hawaiian sunset glamour shots (of the clubs, not me).

 

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Driver: :taylormade-small: SIM Max 10.5 Fujikura Motore X F3 5S

3w/5w: :titelist-small: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue 65S

4h: :mizuno-small: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: JPX 919 Forged Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 S

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50 Mid | 54 Full S-grind | 58 Low Relief Grind Nippon Modus 115 Wedge

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER5 BGT Stability Tour

Ball: :taylormade-small:TP5

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Couple rounds in now. I really, really wanted to love them, but TBH I'm just not really vibing with them yet. That's more on me than them almost certainly and I'm not giving up. Haven't really noticed any patina building up yet, but been pretty dry out on the course and I've been brushing and toweling after most of my shots.

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Driver: Honma TW747 460 VIZARD 50 S-flex
7 wood: Honma TW747
Irons: TaylorMade M Gloire 6-AW Fujikura Speeder SR-Flex
Wedges: (testing) Cleveland RTX Zipcore Raw 56*/60*
Putter: SeeMore Mini Giant Deep Flange 34”

“Golf is a good walk enhanced”

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So, I have both the RTX4 and the new Zipcore Raw.  

IMHO, the zipcores are slightly shorter, but far more accurate on all types of shots.  Better control means that I can live with clubs going 3 yards shorter...

 

The sound is meh, but the end result is shots closer to the hole and lower scores..

 

 

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Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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I haven't made it to the course yet, and I am still waiting on my 60*, but my initial tests from my home chipping area is that the ball explodes off the face of these compared to my Wilson Staff FG Tour 56*

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4 hours ago, KurtActual said:

I haven't made it to the course yet, and I am still waiting on my 60*, but my initial tests from my home chipping area is that the ball explodes off the face of these compared to my Wilson Staff FG Tour 56*

Does that mean that it feels firmer, or sounds louder to you? Just wondering because compared to the RTX4s I had, these feel and sound completely dead to me, and I love it.

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3w/5w: :titelist-small: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue 65S

4h: :mizuno-small: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: JPX 919 Forged Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 S

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50 Mid | 54 Full S-grind | 58 Low Relief Grind Nippon Modus 115 Wedge

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER5 BGT Stability Tour

Ball: :taylormade-small:TP5

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20 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Does that mean that it feels firmer, or sounds louder to you? Just wondering because compared to the RTX4s I had, these feel and sound completely dead to me, and I love it.

By dead do you mean muted?  Like hitting marshmallows?

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6 hours ago, Shankster said:

By dead do you mean muted?  Like hitting marshmallows?

Complete absence of any type of clicky sound. Admittedly I haven't looked into the construction of the heads yet, but they feel softer than the RTX4

Driver: :taylormade-small: SIM Max 10.5 Fujikura Motore X F3 5S

3w/5w: :titelist-small: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue 65S

4h: :mizuno-small: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: JPX 919 Forged Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 S

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50 Mid | 54 Full S-grind | 58 Low Relief Grind Nippon Modus 115 Wedge

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER5 BGT Stability Tour

Ball: :taylormade-small:TP5

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Round one in the books with a mixed results bag on these wedges. Absolutely love the 58* 60 yards and in. It’s my go to. Nearly chipped one in from 15 yards (picture).  Both wedges on partial shots land soft. You can really feel the wedges it seems. Sound is muted yet crisp. The 54* likely needs a lie adjustment done for me. I am struggling to square in and loosing shots right or chunking it, likely my fault for putting on bad swings. It doesn’t help that I am so biased to the 58* IN this sense as well.  This is all odd because my bread and butter with my old wedges was my 54*. I really need to work on it some more and hope I don’t need to also do a shaft change. I will say I haven’t gotten any to back up yet playing the TP5s. I assume if I use Ksigs I’d get some further checkup. 
 

 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with XStiff :Fuji:Pro Black 63 

3W: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with HZRDUS Yellow 6.5 UPRT or PXG 0311X HZRDUS Smoke Black S 2.5* upright

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting

4-AW: PXG 0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges  54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up  **Testing :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid**

Putter: :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34"

Ball: :Snell:or KSigs or :taylormade-small: TP5 pix 2.0

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On 10/31/2020 at 4:12 PM, yungkory said:

Does that mean that it feels firmer, or sounds louder to you? Just wondering because compared to the RTX4s I had, these feel and sound completely dead to me, and I love it.

 

On 10/31/2020 at 11:00 PM, yungkory said:

Complete absence of any type of clicky sound. Admittedly I haven't looked into the construction of the heads yet, but they feel softer than the RTX4

So I was really speaking to the ball flight. Seems to just rocket off the face. I didnt realize, until reading your post, just how silent the contact is. You're absolutely right.

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Appointment made to get trackman data on these vs my old wedges on Thursday. will see where the numbers come out.

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with XStiff :Fuji:Pro Black 63 

3W: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with HZRDUS Yellow 6.5 UPRT or PXG 0311X HZRDUS Smoke Black S 2.5* upright

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting

4-AW: PXG 0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges  54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up  **Testing :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid**

Putter: :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34"

Ball: :Snell:or KSigs or :taylormade-small: TP5 pix 2.0

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Got my 56*, sole grind: relief edge, leading edge rounded. The wedge feels very balanced and the little bit of chipping I’ve done around the house, it great at picking the ball without the blading. Hoping to get out soon! 
 

 

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Driver  :titelist-small: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2

Fairway Wood:   :ping-small: G30 Stiff Shaft

Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX4 52* 56*

Putter:   :cameron-small: Scotty Cameron Golo 5

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Pittsburgh, PA

 

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Got some TrackMan data today comparing these to my old Ping Tour S. From a spin perspective, the 58* spin more than my old 60* by 2000 rpm. However, the 54* zipcore was 600 rpm less than my old 54*. Both these wedges were lower in spin than I expected for wedges (58* 6400 rpm, 54* 5200 rpm) which likely comes down to strike quality and using range balls. In terms of carry, the zipcore was 5 yards longer for the 54 and 8 yards with the 58 (not apples to apples comparing 58 and a 60). 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with XStiff :Fuji:Pro Black 63 

3W: :callaway-small: Epic Flash SZ with HZRDUS Yellow 6.5 UPRT or PXG 0311X HZRDUS Smoke Black S 2.5* upright

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff UPRT setting

4-AW: PXG 0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges  54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up  **Testing :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid**

Putter: :odyssey-small: Toulon Las Vegas Stroke Lab  34"

Ball: :Snell:or KSigs or :taylormade-small: TP5 pix 2.0

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Got to test my 54* in the bunker for the first time today and the results were...bad. I missed carrying the greenside bunker by about a yard from 103y out, and into the wind, on the 3rd hole today. Luckily the sand, or lack thereof, let my ball roll back down the face of the bunker.

The bad news was that I needed the ball to get up, quick, because there was about 4' of the face/lip of the bunker that I needed to carry. Opened the face wide open hoping the S-grind and wide sole would help me glide under the ball, but poor technique trumped wedge design and I didn't quite get "under" it to flop it out. Wasn't bladed by any means because I cleared the face of the bunker easily, but it wasn't the shot that I was trying to play. Again, poor technique and not the wedges fault at all.

My club builder called me today mid-round to let me know that my Modus 115 Wedge shafts have finally arrived! Dropping them off to the mechanic tomorrow to get the "motors" swapped out, and then I'll really be able to compare these apples:apples with my RTX4's. Glamour pics to come as well!

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Driver: :taylormade-small: SIM Max 10.5 Fujikura Motore X F3 5S

3w/5w: :titelist-small: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue 65S

4h: :mizuno-small: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: JPX 919 Forged Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 S

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50 Mid | 54 Full S-grind | 58 Low Relief Grind Nippon Modus 115 Wedge

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER5 BGT Stability Tour

Ball: :taylormade-small:TP5

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Got to test my 54* in the bunker for the first time today and the results were...bad. I missed carrying the greenside bunker by about a yard from 103y out, and into the wind, on the 3rd hole today. Luckily the sand, or lack thereof, let my ball roll back down the face of the bunker.
The bad news was that I needed the ball to get up, quick, because there was about 4' of the face/lip of the bunker that I needed to carry. Opened the face wide open hoping the S-grind and wide sole would help me glide under the ball, but poor technique trumped wedge design and I didn't quite get "under" it to flop it out. Wasn't bladed by any means because I cleared the face of the bunker easily, but it wasn't the shot that I was trying to play. Again, poor technique and not the wedges fault at all.
My club builder called me today mid-round to let me know that my Modus 115 Wedge shafts have finally arrived! Dropping them off to the mechanic tomorrow to get the "motors" swapped out, and then I'll really be able to compare these apples:apples with my RTX4's. Glamour pics to come as well!

I’m having the Modus 125 wedge out into my MIM wedges once they come in. It’s tough to beat the feel from those Modus shafts.

You may have mentioned it earlier and I missed it, but did you choose that grind specifically? Is it similar or different from what you’ve sued and the rest of your wedges?


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