BIG STU Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said: This is one I'll have to bow to the collective knowledge of some of our fellow competitors. I've heard of KZG, but I haven't been able to date their products. All the information I can find on them so far is that they make great clubs. So, if anyone with information world like to chime in, I would appreciate it. KZG is a quality component club sold by authorized dealers only. They are quality Kyoei forged. If he has the set I think he has they are forged 1 piece CBs and their design on those dates back to the 90s. Now if they are the ZO blades that basic design dates back to the 50s 6 hours ago, JohnSmalls said: Got my old bag out, found an old mostly forgotten dozen of Wilson Duos. Outside of changing some grips, we’re in business! Bear and those NY boys call Duos "Do Overs" JohnSmalls, HardcoreLooper and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaid Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I'm enjoying my Grinds. Do the ones pictured have Apex shafts? How about the Medallions? Got the Grinds yesterday and they are beautiful. The Medallions look incredible as well but are 1/2” short so I need to throw some extensions in them before I play them.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HardcoreLooper 1 Quote WITB: Stan Thompson “Reactionizer” persimmon woods 1-4 Spalding Tour Edition 3-PW Spalding Top-Flite E.V.A. Sand Club Rife Legend Z Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Anybody that wants to join in and needs a set of old clubs and is driving on I95 near Delaware, I have a set of Wilson K28 Woods & irons I can meet and hand off at a rest stop. They are listed for $15 hand off price in the Classified Ads... HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Guess what FedEx brought me today? Hello, gorgeous. I don't know that I'd ever seen a persimmon from Hagen before. I'd only seen black painted laminates until now. Rickp, BIG STU, JohnSmalls and 3 others 5 1 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Oh man my dad has some persimmon woods at their place. If they weren't across the country I would so join in on this. HardcoreLooper and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, golfish! said: Oh man my dad has some persimmon woods at their place. If they weren't across the country I would so join in on this. https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106873190 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106663059 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106727994 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106499818 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106500141 cnosil, JohnSmalls and sirchunksalot 3 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 13 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106873190 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106663059 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106727994 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106499818 https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/106500141 oh touche! HardcoreLooper and sirchunksalot 1 1 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On the hunt for some clubs. Found some on Craigslist that might be good. Trying to find out what clubs are in the set; terrible pictures in the ad. JohnSmalls, sirchunksalot, tommc23 and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: On the hunt for some clubs. Found some on Craigslist that might be good. Trying to find out what clubs are in the set; terrible pictures in the ad. always amazes me how someone can post an ad with useless pictures. sirchunksalot and tommc23 1 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 always amazes me how someone can post an ad with useless pictures. I get that some people aren’t photographers but with cell phones you can take lots of pictures and post them free. Granted it looks like there are about 60 Clubs in the ad I am looking at containing possibly 3 complete sets plus lots of extras. But for $20 I guess I shouldn’t expect too much. Only drawback is no persimmons, but an iron set for $20 is cheaper than thrift store clubs. BIG STU, sirchunksalot, Chip Strokes and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhorn43 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Man, I think I might join in this challenge. I have my grandfathers set of MacGregor Jack Nicholas Muirfield's (3-PW, D and 4w) that I "re-discovered" in my garage a couple months ago. I've been wanting to play them just for the h*ll of it just to see. This will give me a great excuse. I just need to reset the hosel's back into place on a few of them I "think" they are early to mid-70's era, and I don't think they are 20th Anniv editions that came out mid-eighties, so these will definitely make the cut. I have no idea what I'm getting myself into , but it'll be fun! Picture are after giving them a bath, that was very therapeutic. MmmmmmBuddy, fixyurdivot, downlowkey and 6 others 3 6 Quote PXG 0811 9° w Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Shaft Wishon Single Length 6-AW w/ Veylix Alpina Wildeye shafts Wishon 929 4w/ Acer 7w /11w w/ LAGP Reign Silver Shafts Wishon 775HS 27° Hybrid Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 54° / Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 58° Sub70 Sycamore 03 Mallet Bag Boy Chiller Cart Bag / Bag Boy Nitron Cart CaddyTek Caddyview V2 State Director (NM) Bugles Across America - Proudly and Humbly Sounding Live Taps for our Nations Hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Silverhorn43 said: Man, I think I might join in this challenge. I have my grandfathers set of MacGregor Jack Nicholas Muirfield's (3-PW, D and 4w) that I "re-discovered" in my garage a couple months ago. I've been wanting to play them just for the h*ll of it just to see. This will give me a great excuse. I just need to reset the hosel's back into place on a few of them I "think" they are early to mid-70's era, and I don't think they are 20th Anniv editions that came out mid-eighties, so these will definitely make the cut. I have no idea what I'm getting myself into , but it'll be fun! Picture are after giving them a bath, that was very therapeutic. It'd be great to have you along with us! Those clubs look amazing and like they've hardly been hit. Rickp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhorn43 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, sirchunksalot said: It'd be great to have you along with us! Those clubs look amazing and like they've hardly been hit. They are amazingly clean, and my grandfather was quite the player if I remember correctly. sirchunksalot and Rickp 2 Quote PXG 0811 9° w Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Shaft Wishon Single Length 6-AW w/ Veylix Alpina Wildeye shafts Wishon 929 4w/ Acer 7w /11w w/ LAGP Reign Silver Shafts Wishon 775HS 27° Hybrid Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 54° / Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 58° Sub70 Sycamore 03 Mallet Bag Boy Chiller Cart Bag / Bag Boy Nitron Cart CaddyTek Caddyview V2 State Director (NM) Bugles Across America - Proudly and Humbly Sounding Live Taps for our Nations Hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Those Muirfields look amazing. The asst pro at the course I worked at got a set of those back in 77 or 78... I only remember that because I got his used Wilson Staff Dynapower's ! Those woods are beautiful & that driver has an excellent grain pattern. Silverhorn43 and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Man, I think I might join in this challenge. I have my grandfathers set of MacGregor Jack Nicholas Muirfield's (3-PW, D and 4w) that I "re-discovered" in my garage a couple months ago. I've been wanting to play them just for the h*ll of it just to see. This will give me a great excuse. I just need to reset the hosel's back into place on a few of them I "think" they are early to mid-70's era, and I don't think they are 20th Anniv editions that came out mid-eighties, so these will definitely make the cut. I have no idea what I'm getting myself into , but it'll be fun! Picture are after giving them a bath, that was very therapeutic. Those are gorgeous. I have the 20th Anny edition of them. 1 iron through PW.Take Dead Aim HardcoreLooper and Silverhorn43 2 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRJyzr Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Silverhorn43 said: Man, I think I might join in this challenge. I have my grandfathers set of MacGregor Jack Nicholas Muirfield's (3-PW, D and 4w) that I "re-discovered" in my garage a couple months ago. I've been wanting to play them just for the h*ll of it just to see. This will give me a great excuse. I just need to reset the hosel's back into place on a few of them I "think" they are early to mid-70's era, and I don't think they are 20th Anniv editions that came out mid-eighties, so these will definitely make the cut. I have no idea what I'm getting myself into , but it'll be fun! Picture are after giving them a bath, that was very therapeutic. Those are rather on the reasonably attractive side of the spectrum. FWIW.... the Muirfields are from 1983 to 1986. They're based off one of two forgings (Pro81 or Pro82, not remembering which is which at moment), with the muscleback milled into the head. The other of the Pro81 vs Pro82 forgings are what became the Muirfield 20ths, which ran from 1987-1991 or so. They were also used to create the Muirfield Customs. edited to add: found the info I was trying to pull from memory. The Pro81 forging was used to create a prototype iron for Jack, that he used starting in 1981. MacGregor then released the Jack Nicklaus Limited Edition from this same forging. The Pro82 was a flatback forging. They used that to create the Muirfield set that was released in 1983, which were essentially another version of the VIP's of the late 60s. These were done by milling the muscle out of that flatback. Jack having won the Masters in 86 with this Pro81 prototype, MacGregor decided to release the Muirfield 20ths, based on that Pro81 forging. They named them to commemorate Jack's 20th major victory. And there we go Edited October 31, 2020 by NRJyzr because grammar! Shapotomous, BIG STU, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 2 2 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 11*, Aldila NV75 X, 43.5" -or- SpeedZone, HZRDUS Black 75 6.5, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRJyzr Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Haven't been able to play for the last two weeks, thanks to seven inches of snow that fell on October 17th. It's made me say bad words. But..... (Princess Bride reference coming)..... it seems my season was mostly dead. We've gotten a reprieve in the weather, we'll be touching 60*F middle of next week. I'm set to play Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday next week. I've got a plan to test my recently acquired Original One next week, but I think I should make an attempt to also trot out the persimmons and give them a go, as a send-off to the season. I have plenty of sets that meet requirements, just have to decide what to trot out. Orlimar woods, Ram TW801, TW802, TW805... Eye2 driver/3w... and the irons, all kinds of fun. And a load of Golden Rams, 1980 Tour Grinds, TW276, TW282, Vibration Matched... I'll trot out my 8813 for this. Unless my Snake Eyes Viper Tour heel shafted blade passes muster? I'll also add one of my Golden Ram sand wedges for this, I think I have a Vibration Matched, a TW282, and a Frequency Matched (all pre-1995). Don't have pics of most of the above, so I'll share my early season bag, when I was in persimmon mode. These are a possible contender, 1-PW TW282, with a Ram fwy wood and TW805 driver, and a Louisville Smart Driver. sirchunksalot, JohnSmalls, Silverhorn43 and 5 others 6 2 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 11*, Aldila NV75 X, 43.5" -or- SpeedZone, HZRDUS Black 75 6.5, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhorn43 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, NRJyzr said: Those are rather on the reasonably attractive side of the spectrum. FWIW.... the Muirfields are from 1983 to 1986. They're based off one of two forgings (Pro81 or Pro82, not remembering which is which at moment), with the muscleback milled into the head. The other of the Pro81 vs Pro82 forgings are what became the Muirfield 20ths, which ran from 1987-1991 or so. They were also used to create the Muirfield Customs. edited to add: found the info I was trying to pull from memory. The Pro81 forging was used to create a prototype iron for Jack, that he used starting in 1981. MacGregor then released the Jack Nicklaus Limited Edition from this same forging. The Pro82 was a flatback forging. They used that to create the Muirfield set that was released in 1983, which were essentially another version of the VIP's of the late 60s. These were done by milling the muscle out of that flatback. Jack having won the Masters in 86 with this Pro81 prototype, MacGregor decided to release the Muirfield 20ths, based on that Pro81 forging. They named them to commemorate Jack's 20th major victory. And there we go WOW NRJzyr, thanks for the history lesson. The little bit of research I had done, led me to believe they were older, love that you were able to narrow down the spectrum for me. So with what you've said, this would make these 20th Anniversary's then? This explains the "newness" of them, if they are a early to mid-eighties run. My Grandfather suffered from Alzheimer's the last 15-18 years of his life, and passed away in '98. That means he got only a year or two worth of rounds thru them. Well, I spent last night getting the hosel's pushed back down, as most had crept up about 1/4" - 1/2", and washed off the grips, which obviously are original, and in good shape. Found my old Ping 69ftl putter and put in the bag. Off to the driving range, can't wait!! JohnSmalls, NRJyzr, BIG STU and 3 others 6 Quote PXG 0811 9° w Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Shaft Wishon Single Length 6-AW w/ Veylix Alpina Wildeye shafts Wishon 929 4w/ Acer 7w /11w w/ LAGP Reign Silver Shafts Wishon 775HS 27° Hybrid Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 54° / Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 58° Sub70 Sycamore 03 Mallet Bag Boy Chiller Cart Bag / Bag Boy Nitron Cart CaddyTek Caddyview V2 State Director (NM) Bugles Across America - Proudly and Humbly Sounding Live Taps for our Nations Hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhorn43 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Tsmithjr9 said: Those are gorgeous. I have the 20th Anny edition of them. 1 iron through PW. Take Dead Aim Dude, in the words of the great Lee Trevino, "Even God can't hit a 1-iron..." Shapotomous, HardcoreLooper, Rickp and 1 other 2 2 Quote PXG 0811 9° w Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Shaft Wishon Single Length 6-AW w/ Veylix Alpina Wildeye shafts Wishon 929 4w/ Acer 7w /11w w/ LAGP Reign Silver Shafts Wishon 775HS 27° Hybrid Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 54° / Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 58° Sub70 Sycamore 03 Mallet Bag Boy Chiller Cart Bag / Bag Boy Nitron Cart CaddyTek Caddyview V2 State Director (NM) Bugles Across America - Proudly and Humbly Sounding Live Taps for our Nations Hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRJyzr Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Silverhorn43 said: WOW NRJzyr, thanks for the history lesson. The little bit of research I had done, led me to believe they were older, love that you were able to narrow down the spectrum for me. So with what you've said, this would make these 20th Anniversary's then? This explains the "newness" of them, if they are a early to mid-eighties run. My Grandfather suffered from Alzheimer's the last 15-18 years of his life, and passed away in '98. That means he got only a year or two worth of rounds thru them. Well, I spent last night getting the hosel's pushed back down, as most had crept up about 1/4" - 1/2", and washed off the grips, which obviously are original, and in good shape. Found my old Ping 69ftl putter and put in the bag. Off to the driving range, can't wait!! Your set are the 83-86 Muirfields. The Muirfield 20ths have a flatter muscleback, compared to the arc that you see with your Muirfields or the VIP blades of the late 60s or 91-93. Here's a link to the Ironfinder page for the 20ths, if you'd like to see the difference: https://www.ironfinder.com/Individual-Irons/macgregor/nicklaus_muirfield_20th-87.htm I also have a set of Muirfields, think they're rather lovely. I just like Ram Tour Grinds a bit better, so I don't play the Macs as often. Edited October 31, 2020 by NRJyzr cnosil, Rickp, Shapotomous and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 11*, Aldila NV75 X, 43.5" -or- SpeedZone, HZRDUS Black 75 6.5, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 hours ago, NRJyzr said: Those are rather on the reasonably attractive side of the spectrum. FWIW.... the Muirfields are from 1983 to 1986. They're based off one of two forgings (Pro81 or Pro82, not remembering which is which at moment), with the muscleback milled into the head. The other of the Pro81 vs Pro82 forgings are what became the Muirfield 20ths, which ran from 1987-1991 or so. They were also used to create the Muirfield Customs. edited to add: found the info I was trying to pull from memory. The Pro81 forging was used to create a prototype iron for Jack, that he used starting in 1981. MacGregor then released the Jack Nicklaus Limited Edition from this same forging. The Pro82 was a flatback forging. They used that to create the Muirfield set that was released in 1983, which were essentially another version of the VIP's of the late 60s. These were done by milling the muscle out of that flatback. Jack having won the Masters in 86 with this Pro81 prototype, MacGregor decided to release the Muirfield 20ths, based on that Pro81 forging. They named them to commemorate Jack's 20th major victory. And there we go Dammit Boy you have been hanging around me too long and I am going to use the Dunlops you sent me to play this challenge sirchunksalot, NRJyzr, Silverhorn43 and 4 others 4 3 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRJyzr Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, BIG STU said: Dammit Boy you have been hanging around me too long and I am going to use the Dunlops you sent me to play this challenge Is it possible to have too much Big Stu time? This is exactly why I sent those to you. I knew you would make good use of them. Go on with your bad self, Stu! sirchunksalot, Shapotomous, tommc23 and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 11*, Aldila NV75 X, 43.5" -or- SpeedZone, HZRDUS Black 75 6.5, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Silverhorn43 said: WOW NRJzyr, thanks for the history lesson. The little bit of research I had done, led me to believe they were older, love that you were able to narrow down the spectrum for me. So with what you've said, this would make these 20th Anniversary's then? This explains the "newness" of them, if they are a early to mid-eighties run. My Grandfather suffered from Alzheimer's the last 15-18 years of his life, and passed away in '98. That means he got only a year or two worth of rounds thru them. Well, I spent last night getting the hosel's pushed back down, as most had crept up about 1/4" - 1/2", and washed off the grips, which obviously are original, and in good shape. Found my old Ping 69ftl putter and put in the bag. Off to the driving range, can't wait!! The 20ths will be marked as 20ths--- Yours are like the VIPs which I prefer over the 20ths. Actually I have 3 sets of non 20ths as I call them for VIP back ups since VIPs in good shape are getting harder and more expensive to find HardcoreLooper, NRJyzr, Rickp and 3 others 6 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, NRJyzr said: Is it possible to have too much Big Stu time? This is exactly why I sent those to you. I knew you would make good use of them. Go on with your bad self, Stu! Just let my back get healed up some more of course I have been back the last 3 weeks swinging the MacHogans in the weekly Dog Fight Shapotomous, sirchunksalot, Rickp and 1 other 4 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRJyzr Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, NRJyzr said: Your set are the 83-86 Muirfields. The Muirfield 20ths have a flatter muscleback, compared to the arc that you see with your Muirfields or the VIP blades of the late 60s or 91-93. Here's a link to the Ironfinder page for the 20ths, if you'd like to see the difference: https://www.ironfinder.com/Individual-Irons/macgregor/nicklaus_muirfield_20th-87.htm I also have a set of Muirfields, think they're rather lovely. I just like Ram Tour Grinds a bit better, so I don't play the Macs as often. An added note about these... The info I shared earlier was dug up by a gent who had sent a question to Clay Long, who had joined MacGregor around 1980. He wasn't involved in the creation of these Pro81 and Pro82 forgings, but he was involved in the processes later (He's the guy behind the Response putter Jack used at the 86 Masters). Clay was kind enough to answer, and went further, giving him the Full Monty background of both sets. And our inquiring golf forumite was kind enough to share the response, earlier this year. Obviously, it stuck with me a bit. LOL Edited October 31, 2020 by NRJyzr Silverhorn43, cnosil, BIG STU and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 11*, Aldila NV75 X, 43.5" -or- SpeedZone, HZRDUS Black 75 6.5, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRJyzr Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, BIG STU said: Just let my back get healed up some more of course I have been back the last 3 weeks swinging the MacHogans in the weekly Dog Fight That's excellent news, Stu. Go kick some golf course butt. HardcoreLooper, sirchunksalot and BIG STU 3 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 11*, Aldila NV75 X, 43.5" -or- SpeedZone, HZRDUS Black 75 6.5, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhorn43 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) It's a sad day in the world of the Classic Bag Challenge. I took my set to the range today, along with my players and worked thru the irons after I'd warmed up with a few dozen balls. Did ok on the irons (my GOD do you get feed back on a "off" stroke ) and went to my 4 wood. Hit about 6 shots and heard a CRA_A_A_K_K *%^&#$!!!!!! Sigh, this beauty is done for. Grandfathers clubs...now a wall hanger. I'll take it to my Club Fitter and see if he can work some magic and at least repair the crack. I have another set of Woods that aren't near as pretty that I'll put in the bag, but this and the Driver will never see grass again. Edited October 31, 2020 by Silverhorn43 Shapotomous, Rickp, cnosil and 6 others 1 8 Quote PXG 0811 9° w Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Shaft Wishon Single Length 6-AW w/ Veylix Alpina Wildeye shafts Wishon 929 4w/ Acer 7w /11w w/ LAGP Reign Silver Shafts Wishon 775HS 27° Hybrid Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 54° / Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 58° Sub70 Sycamore 03 Mallet Bag Boy Chiller Cart Bag / Bag Boy Nitron Cart CaddyTek Caddyview V2 State Director (NM) Bugles Across America - Proudly and Humbly Sounding Live Taps for our Nations Hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhorn43 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, NRJyzr said: An added note about these... The info I shared earlier was dug up by a gent who had sent a question to Clay Long, who had joined MacGregor around 1980. He wasn't involved in the creation of these Pro81 and Pro82 forgings, but he was involved in the processes later (He's the guy behind the Response putter Jack used at the 86 Masters). Clay was kind enough to answer, and went further, giving him the Full Monty background of both sets. And our inquiring golf forumite was kind enough to share the response, earlier this year. Obviously, it stuck with me a bit. LOL That is awesome! HardcoreLooper and NRJyzr 2 Quote PXG 0811 9° w Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Shaft Wishon Single Length 6-AW w/ Veylix Alpina Wildeye shafts Wishon 929 4w/ Acer 7w /11w w/ LAGP Reign Silver Shafts Wishon 775HS 27° Hybrid Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 54° / Taylormade MG Hi-Toe 58° Sub70 Sycamore 03 Mallet Bag Boy Chiller Cart Bag / Bag Boy Nitron Cart CaddyTek Caddyview V2 State Director (NM) Bugles Across America - Proudly and Humbly Sounding Live Taps for our Nations Hero's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 7 hours ago, NRJyzr said: Those are rather on the reasonably attractive side of the spectrum. FWIW.... the Muirfields are from 1983 to 1986. They're based off one of two forgings (Pro81 or Pro82, not remembering which is which at moment), with the muscleback milled into the head. The other of the Pro81 vs Pro82 forgings are what became the Muirfield 20ths, which ran from 1987-1991 or so. They were also used to create the Muirfield Customs. edited to add: found the info I was trying to pull from memory. The Pro81 forging was used to create a prototype iron for Jack, that he used starting in 1981. MacGregor then released the Jack Nicklaus Limited Edition from this same forging. The Pro82 was a flatback forging. They used that to create the Muirfield set that was released in 1983, which were essentially another version of the VIP's of the late 60s. These were done by milling the muscle out of that flatback. Jack having won the Masters in 86 with this Pro81 prototype, MacGregor decided to release the Muirfield 20ths, based on that Pro81 forging. They named them to commemorate Jack's 20th major victory. And there we go Great info! My memory is not as good as I hoped....He must have got the Nicklaus VIP's in 77 or 78 not the Muirfields. NRJyzr and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 The Classic Bag Challenge is officially on. Thank you everyone for keeping the conversation going for the last couple of weeks, now we can start playing and sharing stories from the course. Good luck everyone, this should be fun! Rickp, downlowkey, HardcoreLooper and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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