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8 hours ago, Berg Ryman said:

Perhaps you are correct to those who don't think critically about these things and take them at face value as being there across the brand. Of course, the inverse could also be true. People could be more intrigued and awaiting the result of those premium balls now to either prove that the issues are at lower price points, or that the issues are across the brand, when most might have not been interested in the Z line at all.

Excellent post.

I'm not ditching my Z-Star XVs just yet.  But I am interested in seeing the test results.  

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I played the AD333(Q Star in USA) for the first time last year and was amazed by the performance from an ionomer cover, especially the consistency off irons and spin around the greens. The only issue I had was the slightly too firm feel off mid and long irons.

I then tried the Q Star Tour hoping for similar performance but with softer feel... I could not believe the difference. I had approach shots flying way offline in both directions, balls dropping out of the air suddenly, chipping felt like using a power ball and had no spin on them, putting was near impossible.

This all makes a lot more sense now. Thanks MGS. 

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6 hours ago, LLS said:

I played the AD333(Q Star in USA) for the first time last year and was amazed by the performance from an ionomer cover, especially the consistency off irons and spin around the greens. The only issue I had was the slightly too firm feel off mid and long irons.

I then tried the Q Star Tour hoping for similar performance but with softer feel... I could not believe the difference. I had approach shots flying way offline in both directions, balls dropping out of the air suddenly, chipping felt like using a power ball and had no spin on them, putting was near impossible.

This all makes a lot more sense now. Thanks MGS. 

The AD333 is the ball I go to at this time of year. In Ohio, you can lose a ball on every tee shot... in plain sight in the Fall. The AD333 works well for me for distance and feel. It's cheap enough not to worry about losing in the leaves and glare. 

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IBCR wasn't an issue for other ball test because the range was so small by comparison. Remember, IBCR is short for "In-Ball Compression Range". As Tony noted, it's common to see a range of 2 or 3 compression points for a single premium ball, but with the Q-Star Tour he was seeing ranges as high as 9.5 on the single worst ball measured.
I didn't see anywhere that said if IBCR on its own caused any balls to be considered bad, but I'd imagine that another production related issue would have.
Here's the quote from the report that got my attention. In short, are these considered bad because the deviation is much worse than compared to the other balls tested so far.

"My intent isn’t to pile it on, so to speak, but I felt the detailed explanation was necessary for you to understand why we flagged 42 percent of the Srixon Q-Star Tour balls we tested as bad based on the IBCR."

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10 hours ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

After the MGS report, a dozen MTB-X is the first thing I'm buying when Ohio thaws in the spring. I need to try that ball. I think the Z-Stars are great, so that's my Pro V1 alternative right now. Hard to pass up when 2 dozen Z-stars are cheaper than 1 dozen Pro V1.

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You won’t regret it.  Great balls!  Tried them this year myself after reading such good reviews on the last round of tests and am hooked.  

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If the testing results for Srixon Q Star Tour balls were that bad I have a bad feeling for my Inesis Tour 900 balls. They belong in the budget bracket too. I guess it is better to know than not to... Sigh... 

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11 hours ago, Micah T said:

My point is: if you liked them and played well with them, does this change the fact you scored well? If you didn’t like them, now you feel justified: obviously no one is going to switch to a QST now, but if you bought them on deal, what now?

 

Data is always good, and I love reading these articles, but I’ll be damned if 20 out of 30 lowest all time rounds from the last 2 years aren’t all with chromesoft...

 

Does that mean the test is wrong? No, of course not. But it doesn’t invalidate anyone’s individual experience either.

 

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I understand your point, I do. 

My point is, MGS has just shown us, with data to prove it, that over a third of the balls in a dozen are likely to not be round, and to be inconsistent from a compression standpoint.  In all likelihood the round you're describing would be with one of the good ones from the batch.  Show me the mean and range across scores throughout the dozen, and this test would suggest the range would show an appreciable variance in scoring.

To continue with this worn out "indian vs arrow" analogy, it's still possible to hit the target with a crooked arrow, but its certainly harder than if you just had a straight arrow.  Golf has enough variables making it hard, introducing the potential to have a not-round ball is one variable I'm glad MGS is helping me avoid.

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58 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

My point is, MGS has just shown us, with data to prove it, that over a third of the balls in a dozen are likely to not be round, and to be inconsistent from a compression standpoint. 

The test methods and data Tony is gathering is pure awesomeness.  However, statistically he is looking at but a fraction of the production runs and we have no way of knowing whether this is an isolated case or systemic and reflective of thee normal build process.  That he is buying the various test ball randomly and through retail channels, without any opportunity for bias, is great - but it is still a very, very small sample.

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1 minute ago, fixyurdivot said:

The test methods and data Tony is gathering is pure awesomeness.  However, statistically he is looking at but a fraction of the production runs and we have no way of knowing whether this is an isolated case or systemic and reflective of thee normal build process.  That he is buying the various test ball randomly and through retail channels, without any opportunity for bias, is great - but it is still a very, very small sample.

Sure, but certainly an indicator of a problem...it's extremely unlikely Tony got unlucky in the balls he picked up.  I suppose it's possible this is localized to one production run, but it's equally as likely (frankly, probably more so) that this is rooted in the overall build process.  In the end, what each of us chooses to do with this info is our own decision. 

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20 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

forum readers which is really like 1% of the golf playing market. 

That much? That's pretty awesome! 😄

I nearly snagged a couple doz with the summer BOGO to see if I could benefit from the lower spin on the long game while still keeping some greenside action, but opted not to (mostly since QST for ~$16/doz vs ZStar XV for ~$20/doz seems like an unfair comparison. Of course I'll pay $4 for a ball I know works for me.)

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1 minute ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Sure, but certainly an indicator of a problem...it's extremely unlikely Tony got unlucky in the balls he picked up.  I suppose it's possible this is localized to one production run, but it's equally as likely (frankly, probably more so) that this is rooted in the overall build process.  In the end, what each of us chooses to do with this info is our own decision. 

Oh Lord, this got me to thinking about Covid data and statistics 🤪

There are many, many examples of production runs gone bad (think recalls).  With the exception of the Kirkland (splitting ball) fiasco, I don't remember ever seeing other golf balls being recalled.  First, they are not controlled by secondary agencies or introduce public risk (though on any given day, I've witnessed things on golf courses that would suggest otherwise 🙂), and secondly, the vast majority of users would never notice the less than optimal condition.

We don't know how many different production runs have been done.  Is this factory only producing Srixon balls?  What if there are dozens of production runs/lots made; is it reasonable to presume all are good or bad?  To me, this merits a further deep dive into the weeds.  I would not be surprised if Srixon contacts Tony about this simply because of the potential negative impact to sales.  Presuming there are numerous production lots, a sampling of some of those would help the confidence level in determining isolated or systemic.

I'm sitting at the Ford dealer in Butte getting service for... your first two guesses don't count... so this defective part thing is fresh on my mind. 🤬

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20 hours ago, Micah T said:

Doesn’t look good for Srixon, but I still don’t know what these results mean for the person playing the Q-star. Another archer vs arrow debate I’m sure.


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I would be surprised that the ball manufacturers are NOT following the MGS Ball Testing.  With the history of the testing and response from Callaway (Chromesoft), and the manner in which information spreads across social media platforms... yea, very surprised.  

Perhaps more perplexing to me is that these types of inconsistencies are not found during production QC.  Do they not test? Do they not care? I mean it's not like the attributes Tony is testing are completely esoteric to what constitutes a good golf ball.  Moreover is that whatever attributes a ball has, that it is not consistent seems the bigger issue.  

The good news to us golfers is that MGS may drive these mfg.s to start caring more about product performance and consistency... yielding better value to the consumer 👍.  Go get em Tony!!

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21 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

I understand that, I'm simply saying I don't think it's accurate to call it "unfair" of Tony or MGS to not test Srixon's premium ball first.  They tested a premium ball from Titleist and Bridgestone because, as @Golfspy_CG2points out, those are the big volume balls...the Pro V1 and the Tour B XS "Tiger Ball".  If anyone walked away from those tests assuming the evaluations applied to all Titleist balls or all Bridgestone balls, then they drastically missed the point and are making some big inferences. Similarly, one shouldn't make blanket assumptions about all Srixon balls now.

MGS' decision to select and prioritize testing based on volume of sales is consistent with their intent to focus on the consumer and do what's most helpful to the consumer.  Put another way, fairness to the consumer before fairness to the OEM. (And again, I don't see how this is unfair.)

Another reason it was nice when they waited and released all the ball data at once like 2019. Then you could draw conclusions about brands and individual models. From what I gather MGS didn't do that this time around because a) testing was more extensive, and b) they'd like to monetize the project (subscription?) this time around? Please correct me if I'm wrong there.

Seeing one ball a week means we all need to be careful to reserve some judgements until we've seen more complete data...

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This is an eye opener.  I had a pretty good impression of Srixon balls but now I’m going to need to reassess.  I had normally played Z stars, so it will be interesting to see those results.

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I’ve been playing the Q Tour for a while. I like them but now I have to question when I play bad it it the ball? Maybe a combo of bad play/bad ball. I’ll probably never know.
I’m sure Srixon will correct the issue quickly.



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5 hours ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

Here's the quote from the report that got my attention. In short, are these considered bad because the deviation is much worse than compared to the other balls tested so far.

"My intent isn’t to pile it on, so to speak, but I felt the detailed explanation was necessary for you to understand why we flagged 42 percent of the Srixon Q-Star Tour balls we tested as bad based on the IBCR."

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Ah, I missed that when I went back through last night just skimming the report for info. Still, I wouldn't expect based on what was stated for there to be any IBCR related fallout with the other ball models tested. Maybe, it will be something that comes up again down the line.

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2 hours ago, greggarner said:

That much? That's pretty awesome! 😄

I nearly snagged a couple doz with the summer BOGO to see if I could benefit from the lower spin on the long game while still keeping some greenside action, but opted not to (mostly since QST for ~$16/doz vs ZStar XV for ~$20/doz seems like an unfair comparison. Of course I'll pay $4 for a ball I know works for me.)

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Still no response from Srixon?  Do they not care that their mid level ball got such a bad review?  

I'd assume that from the number of balls that were bad that they essentially don't have any QC reviewing what comes out of Indonesia.

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10 minutes ago, jjfcpa said:

Still no response from Srixon?  Do they not care that their mid level ball got such a bad review?  

I'd assume that from the number of balls that were bad that they essentially don't have any QC reviewing what comes out of Indonesia.

They're too busy chewing out the QC person. 

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