Popular Post Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2020 This is something I’ve noticed the past few years, as my knowledge about equipment, technology and topics has increased due to the knowledgeable members here, other Forums and access to the OEM reps and tech people. i often have conversations with some players that are much better than me, like 2-7 handicaps. When topics of fitting, club specs, and other things we talk about here, come up, they don’t believe what I’m saying. They will actually say things like, all that stuff on the internet is by writers that couldn’t break 100. Or, if you spent more time practicing than reading the internet, you might think differently. I usually say something like, “yeah, I probably would think differently and I’d be wrong just like you” Now none of the conversations are meant in a mean way, but i think there is definitely a subconscious thought of, you’re a 17 HC. What do you know. Now to be fair, there are scratch guys like our Head Pro and DOI who absolutely coke to me or send people to me to ask equipment or technical spec stuff. Do any of you experience this? MattF, dlow206, golfingbrock and 14 others 16 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Most people only know enough to be dangerous.To me, and I know I’m paraphrasing someone else , but there’s 2 types of golfers: those who want to know everything about everything,and those that want to know nothing. I’m definitely the former.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy MattF, Rickp, Kenny B and 3 others 6 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowev01 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: This is something I’ve noticed the past few years, as my knowledge about equipment, technology and topics has increased due to the knowledgeable members here, other Forums and access to the OEM reps and tech people. i often have conversations with some players that are much better than me, like 2-7 handicaps. When topics of fitting, club specs, and other things we talk about here, when we they don’t believe what I’m saying. They will actually say things like, all that stuff on the internet is by writers that couldn’t break 100. Or, if you spent more time practicing than reading the internet, you might think differently. I usually say something like, “yeah, I probably would think differently and I’d be wrong just like you” Now none of the conversations are meant in a mean way, but i think there is definitely a subconscious thought of, you’re a 17 HC. What do you know. Now to be fair, there are scratch guys like our Head Pro and DOI who absolutely coke to me or send people to me to ask equipment or technical spec stuff. Do any of you experience this? I've experienced this. I hear it most of the time as a "feel" or "experience" thing from them, like their ability and skill outweigh mechanical testing. I know people who refuse to try something new or will discount a piece of equipment because they don't think the source or manufacturer meets their standards. I come from the world of fine dining, and the measure of true talent there is the same as golf to me: the best chefs tell you they know much less than they do, never brag about their skills and are eager students of the craft. HardcoreLooper, Golfspy_CG2, Nunfa0 and 4 others 6 1 Quote Titleist 975J Callaway Hawkeye 3 Wood Ben Hogan CFT Hybrid, Apex Plus Irons Cleveland 588 Wedges Scotty Newport 2 Mid Slant Pro Platinum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 For me having been a high cap with no knowledge on gear or swing took want most better players said as true. As I got more serious and started learning about both topics I realized that not everything the said was actually true. I know both high and low caps both on forums and thru friendships and there are smart golfers in both groups. i do think lower caps have a tendency to not give as much credit that’s due to some mid-high caps. It’s too broad a stroke imo to say one side knows more than others and i tend to look at what a persons saying more so than what their skill level is before I determine how much credibility there is MattF, silver & black, Rickp and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I've experienced this playing with guys that are mid handicappers - only 3 to 4 strokes lower then mine. Interestingly the single digit handicappers I play with are more open and welcoming. Strange. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy HardcoreLooper, Rickp, Nunfa0 and 2 others 5 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: For me having been a high cap with no knowledge on gear or swing took want most better players said as true. As I got more serious and started learning about both topics I realized that not everything the said was actually true. I know both high and low caps both on forums and thru friendships and there are smart golfers in both groups. i do think lower caps have a tendency to not give as much credit that’s due to some mid-high caps. It’s too broad a stroke imo to say one side knows more than others and i tend to look at what a persons saying more so than what their skill level is before I determine how much credibility there is Oh yeah. Definitely not all are like that. Matter of fact, i’d say there are many single digit guys on here who value some of the thoughts and information from myself or others if higher handicaps. As a wise woman once told me, people know different things. MattF, tony@CIC, Rickp and 3 others 6 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: Oh yeah. Definitely not all are like that. Matter of fact, i’d say there are many single digit guys on here who value some of the thoughts and information from myself or others if higher handicaps. As a wise woman once told me, people know different things. That’s so true and those who know what they know and listen to what they don’t are kind of rare MattF, Nunfa0 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Most of the folks I get paired up with don't talk much about equipment, so I keep quiet. However, one guy I played with, I saw him with a new SIM Max (when it first came out) with a GD AD-IZ in it, a new Scotty, and PXG irons. I knew this guy was into equipment, so we talked a lot about equipment the whole round. MattF, sirchunksalot, Nunfa0 and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yungkory Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2020 Some people can't separate a golfer from a person. Just because you're not as skilled of a golfer, doesn't mean you can't have the knowledge of a person. What makes this forum great, over a few other places I frequent, is that for the most part no one has an ego. I lean on anyone, and everyone, for feedback on stuff that I'm curious about because it's coming from someone who I know plays actual golf. As a wise woman once said, "I don't know sh*t about f*ck," and that's why I read and value all of the tester feedback, official forum tests or otherwise. silver & black, RickyBobby_PR, cnosil and 8 others 10 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 25, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2020 One example of this happened this week when playing with s friend. I mentioned my upcoming driver fitting for the TSi. And how i was looking forwars to it. Be told me that if i ever show up to play witj a driver other than my current one (TS1) he’d hit me over the bead with it. Granted this came during s round where i hit all 14 fairways, but at my usually paltry 200 to 210 yards. He said you can’t do any better than that driver. I said, I absolutely can, in terms of launch and spin. And went into an explanation of how it is just falling flat out of the air. I told him it was spinning sround 3300 to 3400 last time i was on Trackman with it and combined with 17 degree launch thats too much spin. And that my ball speed of 124 to 125 while not great should be getting me longer than 194 to 197 carry. He said, “launch monitors don’t mean anything. On course is what matters” i said, yes on coirse does matter and my current setup is hurting me “on the course” LOL So most of it was in good fun. But he is 100% convinced just because I’m hitting a very high percentage of fairways, and the ball is going high and straight, that I can’t improve on that. Well. My Properly fit TSi better get me some more yards and not lose much in accuracy or I’ll be hearing it. Ha sirchunksalot, Rickp, revkev and 10 others 11 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post silver & black Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2020 Skill is not the same as knowledge. Skill and knowledge compliment each other in most cases, but golf is a different animal. One can be a very good player and have little knowledge of equipment or the fundamentals of the golf swing. There are PGA pros with great knowledge of equipment and swing mechanics that will never be scratch. Golf is hard to be good at. Some have natural ability, but little knowledge as to how or why they can play at a high level. There are players that lack the natural ability to play at a high level, but they have a lot of knowledge about the game, equipment and swing mechanics... they just can't make that knowledge perform like they would like. Such is life...lol. russtopherb, tony@CIC, yungkory and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, silver & black said: Skill is not the same as knowledge. Skill and knowledge compliment each other in most cases, but golf is a different animal. One can be a very good player and have little knowledge of equipment or the fundamentals of the golf swing. There are PGA pros with great knowledge of equipment and swing mechanics that will never be scratch. Golf is hard to be good at. Some have natural ability, but little knowledge as to how or why they can play at a high level. There are players that lack the natural ability to play at a high level, but they have a lot of knowledge about the game, equipment and swing mechanics... they just can't make that knowledge perform like they would like. Such is life...lol. Very well said. Micah T and sirchunksalot 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 My daughter has been actively recruited by several college's for track. One of her top three college picks has a track coach that was hit by a drunk driver several years ago, leaving him close to a quadriplegic. He is still the head track coach and has great success. Just because he can't get out of a wheel chair to show them doesn't mean he can't teach and coach them. Almost all PGA players have a swing coach. You don't see the swing coaches playing on tour! I'm sure their handicap is higher than the Pro's they work with. Some golfers can teach, some know equipment, some know all the rules. Nomatter what someones handicap is doesn't matter if they happen to be knowledgeable in a particular subject. Micah T, Golfspy_CG2, cnosil and 6 others 9 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: So most of it was in good fun. But he is 100% convinced just because I’m hitting a very high percentage of fairways, and the ball is going high and straight, that I can’t improve on that. Doesn't believe in golf physics? Does he believe in golf statistics, and that you would actually score better if you picked up yardage, even if it means missing a few fairways? And since you've owned nearly every golf club made, I can't think of someone who knows more about equipment. Rickp, Nolan220, sirchunksalot and 3 others 6 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 It's like a reverse Dunning Kruger effect and so true for some people. They grew up playing by feel and sight and never got into the math and physics behind it all. I used to care a lot less about it but now have really sewn the value in it. As long as everyone has fun no big deal they just might leave performance on the table. Most people I encounter on the course are not into the gear so I just skip it. Waiting for the PXG or exotic shaft player in a group to just drive in, one of these days it will happen. Golfspy_CG2, cnosil, MattF and 2 others 4 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 20 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: Doesn't believe in golf physics? Does he believe in golf statistics, and that you would actually score better if you picked up yardage, even if it means missing a few fairways? And since you've owned nearly every golf club made, I can't think of someone who knows more about equipment. No. I honestly don’t think he does. He has little interest in LM numbers. He’s very old fashioned in a lot of his thoughts. He still uses a TM RocketBLZ 3 wood, which he hits very well. Until last year he still played Titleist DCI irons. I finally got him to upgrade to AP3 but he wouldnt go get fit for them. Just wanted DGS 300 shaft—because that’s what works for him. He won’t look at any LM data i show him. Matter of fact he was on my Rapsodo snd didn’t care about any of the numbers, just wanted to dissect his swing. It will come down to if the TSi I have coming for the review is longer than my TS1. Hopefully that will convince him. He even used the fact i have had so many clubs in his argument against me. Saying the TS1 is the best driver Ive had, snd i’ve had a lot of them. I told him he was correct, it is the best, but I can do even better. He said, he doesn’t believe it. So we’ll have to wait and see. cnosil, MattF, Nunfa0 and 2 others 5 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: It's like a reverse Dunning Kruger effect and so true for some people. They grew up playing by feel and sight and never got into the math and physics behind it all. I used to care a lot less about it but now have really sewn the value in it. As long as everyone has fun no big deal they just might leave performance on the table. Most people I encounter on the course are not into the gear so I just skip it. Waiting for the PXG or exotic shaft player in a group to just drive in, one of these days it will happen. So true! And if it’s a PXG player with an Exotic shaft, you’ll talk for days. tony@CIC and ejgaudette 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shankster Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just the opposite. I got a guy into golf at work, letting him use my old gear... Now he is trying to give me lessons and says he can keep up with me... I am super glad he is getting in to golf, but he drives me nuts actually. I am trying to teach him the rules, but just can’t grasp that if he hits two in the crap off the tee he did not get a par...... But the guy at DSG underestimated my knowledge as I was teaching him things about the clubs and their launch monitor. golfingbrock, tony@CIC, russtopherb and 7 others 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: So true! And if it’s a PXG player with an Exotic shaft, you’ll talk for days. I can only imagine. I think I needed to play the priceyer course more often to find one though. That or someone in the area on vacation, not to many really local guys with same obsession. Plenty not too far away, just not really close. Golfspy_CG2 and Nunfa0 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathS16 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I think everyone can provide valuable information, regardless of handicap. I know several dudes who just love to experiment and tinker with equipment setups. Their handicaps are inflated just cause they play with different gear every time we go out because that's what they like to do. If I have equipment questions, these are the dudes I ask first (and of course I visit this forum). Kind of a silly notion to believe people don't know anything just because they might be a slightly worse golfer. MattF, silver & black, Golfspy_CG2 and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TSi3 Tester Check out the Review HERE 2-Iron- 699-U 5-Wood: Pro (18*) Irons : i210 4-PW Wedges: RTX-4 50* and 54* RTX-3 *58 Putter: Impact No. 3 Ball: MAXFLI TOUR Tracked by: Bag: BagBoy ZTF Stand Bag (REVIEW HERE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Very interesting topic and yes I can definitely agree that I've had conversations with some golfers who are way better on the course, but I would say lack other knowledge. Whether it is different era's or just general schools of thought I've without a doubt got that feeling of you know nothing because you are not a such and such. With all that being said I can relate this curling as it is without a doubt more my expertise, but similar to golf there are different facets and knowledge can come from a variety of areas. For curling there is ice, tactics, technical and mental. I would say I am very good at 3 of the 4, but mental is not amazing. Golf is similar, you have green keeping knowledge with different grasses, product knowledge, technical, mental and more. Even within all of those they can be broken down even further. I like to think my product knowledge is great (thank you MGS and MGS Forum Community!) however same mental and grasses I don't have a clue compared to other facets. Its hard for someone to be a expert in all areas and often simply listening to ppl regardless of handicap and so on there are always things to learn. However don't let this confuse you, something you learn what NOT to do rather then what is proper either way every day is a school day and we can learn something. Sadly many based of whatever bias will ignore that. Golfspy_CG2, tony@CIC, MattF and 2 others 5 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 This is something I’ve noticed the past few years, as my knowledge about equipment, technology and topics has increased due to the knowledgeable members here, other Forums and access to the OEM reps and tech people. i often have conversations with some players that are much better than me, like 2-7 handicaps. When topics of fitting, club specs, and other things we talk about here, come up, they don’t believe what I’m saying. They will actually say things like, all that stuff on the internet is by writers that couldn’t break 100. Or, if you spent more time practicing than reading the internet, you might think differently. I usually say something like, “yeah, I probably would think differently and I’d be wrong just like you” Now none of the conversations are meant in a mean way, but i think there is definitely a subconscious thought of, you’re a 17 HC. What do you know. Now to be fair, there are scratch guys like our Head Pro and DOI who absolutely coke to me or send people to me to ask equipment or technical spec stuff. Do any of you experience this?I run our weekly Saturday game for a lot of golfers and often get questions about clubs, balls, etc. if I can’t answer them, I always suggest they go to My Golf Spy for answers.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpyCobra F8 (12*)w/ Mitsubishi Tense ck Blue Regular; 3W & 5W Cobra King F8 w/ Mitsubishi Tense ck Blue Regular shafts; Tour Edge CBX119 22* Hybrid w/Project X Evenflo Regular shaft; Wilson Staff D-7 5-PW + GW + SW w/UST Mamiya Recoil 460 Regular graphite shafts; Cleveland RTX Zipcore LW(58*) w/DG Spinner shaft. Putter: 33” Slotline SSi 693 Bag: Cobra Ultralight Cart bag, Peaccoat Blue. MattF, HardcoreLooper, Golfspy_CG2 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 12:00 AM, Tom the Golf Nut said: My daughter has been actively recruited by several college's for track. One of her top three college picks has a track coach that was hit by a drunk driver several years ago, leaving him close to a quadriplegic. He is still the head track coach and has great success. Just because he can't get out of a wheel chair to show them doesn't mean he can't teach and coach them. Almost all PGA players have a swing coach. You don't see the swing coaches playing on tour! I'm sure their handicap is higher than the Pro's they work with. Some golfers can teach, some know equipment, some know all the rules. Nomatter what someones handicap is doesn't matter if they happen to be knowledgeable in a particular subject. I'm sure that what our esteemed moderator has written is true. This comment and others like it are spot on. Since the original post was about equipment I would also throw in fitters and club repair guys. A good fitter knows how to read data from a launch monitor really well - I would think that he needs to play golf so that he has a sense of what its like but beyond that do you really think that anyone working on a tour players clubs has their playing capability? I've learned a lot since becoming a member of MGS over eight years ago. Much of it has been from our mid and high handicap guys so much so that I rarely think about a guys handicap when reading his comments. Like Rob the pros at my club will come to me or even refer members to me with equipment questions and also if they are trying to teach a student how to hit a draw. cnosil, MattF, silver & black and 6 others 8 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfingbrock Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I'm a scratch player, but I absolutely can learn from mid/high handicappers, especially on a forum like this where guys have done substantially more research than me in certain areas. I can knock the ball around the course well, but I have a huge blind spot on technology, club fitting, golf course architecture, and many other areas. Am I going to listen to a swing tip that some high capper is parroting from the latest Golf Digest or take any other unsolicited advice? Probably not. But are there several other facets of this great game where they might know more than me and can educate me or help me out? Absolutely. HardcoreLooper, MattF, Golfspy_CG2 and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: Honma TR20 440 8.5° w/ Vizard FP-7X SHAFT - REVIEW POSTED 3 Wood: Adams TightLies Titanium 3+ - Shaft Bassara E55 x5ct Hybrid: Taylormade RBZ 2. 16.5°- Stock Shaft- Stiff Irons: SUB70 639 CB 4-PW w/ Nippon Modus 120 X-STIFF Wedges: GW: SUB70 Raw 48° Mizuno Mp series 52 SW: Cleveland RTX 2.0 56° LW: Mizuno JPX 900 60° Putter: Odyssey White Ice Sabertooth- Superstroke Slim 3.0 grip Bag: Taylormade FlexTech Lifestyle Carry bag- Houndstooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan220 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I had some good convos about different swing mechanics or clubs with a buddy of mine who was a scratch golfer but since he had a kids hes prob like 8-10 handicap now .. and he was always try to give me tips I would try them and I either couldn't do it or didn't feel comfortable .. and I would offer up some things to him and he never discredited he always seemed open it ... but last time we played I was doing really well and he was just off missing every fairway and we get to the next hole and he was like you should try this and I was like na man I am good I feel more comfortable doing what I am doing and then I smoked my shot middle fair way while he sliced it into the forest some where.. Usually I would be open to what he was saying but I was so comfortable with what I was doing no way I was going to mess up my back 9 on some swing changes tony@CIC and MattF 2 Quote Speedzone Driver Tensei AV Blue or G400 SFT 10. KBS TD 50 Category 3 shaft King Speedzone Black Yellow Fairway 3 wood Tensei AV Blue 65 F9 SpeedBack Black Grey Fairway 5 Wood ATMOS Tour Spec Blue 7 shaft T300 4i-GW - Tensei AV Blue AM2 Regular Flex or JPX 900 Hot Metal 5 - GW Project X Lz 4.5 Regular Flex Graphite Glide 2.0 SS Wedges 54 & 58 TP Red White Ardmore Putter - BGT Stability Tour Black shaft Precision Pro NX7 range finder Ultralight Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 hours ago, revkev said: also if they are trying to teach a student how to hit a draw. I definitely need to book a lesson with you on my next trip down there, which might be January if I have my way! Rickp, cnosil, revkev and 2 others 5 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 8:53 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said: It will come down to if the TSi I have coming for the review is longer than my TS1. Hopefully that will convince him. He even used the fact i have had so many clubs in his argument against me. Saying the TS1 is the best driver Ive had, snd i’ve had a lot of them. I told him he was correct, it is the best, but I can do even better. He said, he doesn’t believe it. So we’ll have to wait and see. The truth will set you free, but some people don't want to hear it. Hopefully the TSi will outdrive the TS1, and you can offer him a nice big cup of STFU. It will be interesting if you get longer but slightly less accurate, your handicap goes down, but your buddy tries to tell you that you're better off with the TS1. I love when people argue with math. Rickp, MattF, Golfspy_CG2 and 2 others 4 1 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/24/2020 at 9:26 PM, silver & black said: Skill is not the same as knowledge. Skill and knowledge compliment each other in most cases, but golf is a different animal. One can be a very good player and have little knowledge of equipment or the fundamentals of the golf swing. There are PGA pros with great knowledge of equipment and swing mechanics that will never be scratch. Golf is hard to be good at. Some have natural ability, but little knowledge as to how or why they can play at a high level. There are players that lack the natural ability to play at a high level, but they have a lot of knowledge about the game, equipment and swing mechanics... they just can't make that knowledge perform like they would like. Such is life...lol. Spot on. Confirmation bias will always play a role but at the end of the day, skill and knowledge are mutually exclusive. silver & black 1 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 2:23 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said: I definitely need to book a lesson with you on my next trip down there, which might be January if I have my way! To be clear they have me demonstrate not actually teach anything. But I am an expert at the 12 ounce curl and would love to compare notes on that with you post round. Golfspy_CG2, cnosil and Rickp 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Doesn't believe in golf physics? Does he believe in golf statistics, and that you would actually score better if you picked up yardage, even if it means missing a few fairways? And since you've owned nearly every golf club made, I can't think of someone who knows more about equipment. Can’t agree more!Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy HardcoreLooper and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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