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To me, and I know I’m paraphrasing someone else , but there’s 2 types of golfers: those who want to know everything about everything,and those that want to know nothing. I’m definitely the former.


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9 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

This is something I’ve noticed the past few years, as my knowledge about equipment, technology and topics has increased due to the knowledgeable members here, other Forums and access to the OEM reps and tech people. 

i often have conversations with some players that are much better than me, like 2-7 handicaps.  When topics of fitting, club specs, and other things we talk about here, when we they don’t believe what I’m saying.     They will actually say things like, all that stuff on the internet is by writers that couldn’t break 100.  Or, if you spent more time practicing than reading the internet, you might think differently.  I usually say something like, “yeah, I probably would think differently and I’d be wrong just like you”

Now none of the conversations are meant in a mean way, but i think there is definitely a subconscious thought of, you’re a 17 HC.  What do you know.

Now to be fair, there are scratch guys like our Head Pro and DOI who absolutely coke to me or send people to me to ask equipment or technical spec stuff. 
 

Do any of you experience this?

I've experienced this. I hear it most of the time as a "feel" or "experience" thing from them, like their ability and skill outweigh mechanical testing. I know people who refuse to try something new or will discount a piece of equipment because they don't think the source or manufacturer meets their standards. I come from the world of fine dining, and the measure of true talent there is the same as golf to me: the best chefs tell you they know much less than they do, never brag about their skills and are eager students of the craft. 

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For me having been a high cap with no knowledge on gear or swing took want most better players said as true. As I got more serious and started learning about both topics I realized that not everything the said was actually true.

I know both high and low caps both on forums and thru friendships and there are smart golfers in both groups.

i do think lower caps have a tendency to not give as much credit that’s due to some mid-high caps. It’s too broad a stroke imo to say one side knows more than others and i tend to look at what a persons saying more so than what their skill level is before I  determine how much credibility there is

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I've experienced this playing with guys that are mid handicappers - only 3 to 4 strokes lower then mine. Interestingly the single digit handicappers I play with are more open and welcoming. Strange.




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6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For me having been a high cap with no knowledge on gear or swing took want most better players said as true. As I got more serious and started learning about both topics I realized that not everything the said was actually true.

I know both high and low caps both on forums and thru friendships and there are smart golfers in both groups.

i do think lower caps have a tendency to not give as much credit that’s due to some mid-high caps. It’s too broad a stroke imo to say one side knows more than others and i tend to look at what a persons saying more so than what their skill level is before I  determine how much credibility there is

Oh yeah. Definitely not all are like that. 

Matter of fact, i’d say there are many single digit guys on here who value some of the thoughts and information from myself or others if higher handicaps. 

As a wise woman once told me, people know different things. 

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26 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Oh yeah. Definitely not all are like that. 

Matter of fact, i’d say there are many single digit guys on here who value some of the thoughts and information from myself or others if higher handicaps. 

As a wise woman once told me, people know different things. 

That’s so true and those who know what they know and listen to what they don’t are kind of rare

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Most of the folks I get paired up with don't talk much about equipment, so I keep quiet. However, one guy I played with, I saw him with a new SIM Max (when it first came out) with a GD AD-IZ in it, a new Scotty, and PXG irons. I knew this guy was into equipment, so we talked a lot about equipment the whole round.

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13 minutes ago, silver & black said:

Skill is not the same as knowledge. Skill and knowledge compliment each other in most cases, but golf is a different animal. One can be a very good player and have little knowledge of equipment or the fundamentals of the golf swing.

There are PGA pros with great knowledge of equipment and swing mechanics that will never be scratch. Golf is hard to be good at. Some have natural ability, but little knowledge as to how or why they can play at a high level.

There are players that lack the natural ability to play at a high level, but they have a lot of knowledge about the game, equipment and swing mechanics... they just can't make that knowledge perform like they would like. Such is life...lol.

 Very well said.  

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My daughter has been actively recruited by several college's for track. One of her top three college picks has a track coach that was hit by a drunk driver several years ago, leaving him close to a quadriplegic. He is still the head track coach and has great success. Just because he can't get out of a wheel chair to show them doesn't mean he can't teach and coach them.

Almost all PGA players have a swing coach. You don't see the swing coaches playing on tour!  I'm sure their handicap is higher than the Pro's they work with.

Some golfers can teach, some know equipment, some know all the rules. Nomatter what someones handicap is doesn't matter if they happen to be knowledgeable in a particular subject. 

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2 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

So most of it was in good fun. But he is 100% convinced just because I’m hitting a very high percentage of fairways, and the ball is going high and straight, that I can’t improve on that.  

Doesn't believe in golf physics?  Does he believe in golf statistics, and that you would actually score better if you picked up yardage, even if it means missing a few fairways?

And since you've owned nearly every golf club made, I can't think of someone who knows more about equipment.

 

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It's like a reverse Dunning Kruger effect and so true for some people. They grew up playing by feel and sight and never got into the math and physics behind it all. I used to care a lot less about it but now have really sewn the value in it. As long as everyone has fun no big deal they just might leave performance on the table. Most people I encounter on the course are not into the gear so I just skip it. Waiting for the PXG or exotic shaft player in a group to just drive in, one of these days it will happen.

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20 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

Doesn't believe in golf physics?  Does he believe in golf statistics, and that you would actually score better if you picked up yardage, even if it means missing a few fairways?

And since you've owned nearly every golf club made, I can't think of someone who knows more about equipment.

 

No. I honestly don’t think he does.  He has little interest in LM numbers.  He’s very old fashioned in a lot of his thoughts.  He still uses a TM RocketBLZ 3 wood, which he hits very well. 
 

Until last year he still played Titleist DCI irons.  I finally got him to upgrade to AP3 but he wouldnt go get fit for them.  Just wanted DGS 300 shaft—because that’s what works for him. 

He won’t look at any LM data i show him.  Matter of fact he was on my Rapsodo snd didn’t care about any of the numbers, just wanted to dissect his swing.  
 

It will come down to if the TSi I have coming for the review is longer than my TS1.  Hopefully that will convince him. 
He even used the fact i have had so many clubs in his argument against me.  Saying the TS1 is the best driver Ive had, snd i’ve had a lot of them. 
 

I told him he was correct, it is the best, but I can do even better.   He said, he doesn’t believe it.   

So we’ll have to wait and see. 
 

 

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53 minutes ago, ejgaudette said:

It's like a reverse Dunning Kruger effect and so true for some people. They grew up playing by feel and sight and never got into the math and physics behind it all. I used to care a lot less about it but now have really sewn the value in it. As long as everyone has fun no big deal they just might leave performance on the table. Most people I encounter on the course are not into the gear so I just skip it. Waiting for the PXG or exotic shaft player in a group to just drive in, one of these days it will happen.

So true!

And if it’s a PXG player with an Exotic shaft, you’ll talk for days. 

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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

So true!

And if it’s a PXG player with an Exotic shaft, you’ll talk for days. 

I can only imagine. I think I needed to play the priceyer course more often to find one though. That or someone in the area on vacation, not to many really local guys with same obsession. Plenty not too far away, just not really close.

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I think everyone can provide valuable information, regardless of handicap.  I know several dudes who just love to experiment and tinker with equipment setups.  Their handicaps are inflated just cause they play with different gear every time we go out because that's what they like to do.  If I have equipment questions, these are the dudes I ask first (and of course I visit this forum).  Kind of a silly notion to believe people don't know anything just because they might be a slightly worse golfer. 

 

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