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Very interesting topic and yes I can definitely agree that I've had conversations with some golfers who are way better on the course, but I would say lack other knowledge. Whether it is different era's or just general schools of thought I've without a doubt got that feeling of you know nothing because you are not a such and such. With all that being said I can relate this curling as it is without a doubt more my expertise, but similar to golf there are different facets and knowledge can come from a variety of areas. For curling there is ice, tactics, technical and mental. I would say I am very good at 3 of the 4, but mental is not amazing. Golf is similar, you have green keeping knowledge with different grasses, product knowledge, technical, mental and more. Even within all of those they can be broken down even further. I like to think my product knowledge is great (thank you MGS and MGS Forum Community!) however same mental and grasses I don't have a clue compared to other facets. Its hard for someone to be a expert in all areas and often simply listening to ppl regardless of handicap and so on there are always things to learn. 
However don't let this confuse you, something you learn what NOT to do rather then what is proper either way every day is a school day and we can learn something. Sadly many based of whatever bias will ignore that. 

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This is something I’ve noticed the past few years, as my knowledge about equipment, technology and topics has increased due to the knowledgeable members here, other Forums and access to the OEM reps and tech people. 

i often have conversations with some players that are much better than me, like 2-7 handicaps.  When topics of fitting, club specs, and other things we talk about here, come up, they don’t believe what I’m saying.    
They will actually say things like, all that stuff on the internet is by writers that couldn’t break 100.  Or, if you spent more time practicing than reading the internet, you might think differently.  I usually say something like, “yeah, I probably would think differently and I’d be wrong just like you”
Now none of the conversations are meant in a mean way, but i think there is definitely a subconscious thought of, you’re a 17 HC.  What do you know.
Now to be fair, there are scratch guys like our Head Pro and DOI who absolutely coke to me or send people to me to ask equipment or technical spec stuff. 
 
Do any of you experience this?


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On 10/25/2020 at 12:00 AM, Tom the Golf Nut said:

My daughter has been actively recruited by several college's for track. One of her top three college picks has a track coach that was hit by a drunk driver several years ago, leaving him close to a quadriplegic. He is still the head track coach and has great success. Just because he can't get out of a wheel chair to show them doesn't mean he can't teach and coach them.

Almost all PGA players have a swing coach. You don't see the swing coaches playing on tour!  I'm sure their handicap is higher than the Pro's they work with.

Some golfers can teach, some know equipment, some know all the rules. Nomatter what someones handicap is doesn't matter if they happen to be knowledgeable in a particular subject. 

I'm sure that what our esteemed moderator has written is true.  This comment and others like it are spot on.  Since the original post was about equipment I would also throw in fitters and club repair guys.  A good fitter knows how to read data from a launch monitor really well - I would think that he needs to play golf so that he has a sense of what its like but beyond that do you really think that anyone working on a tour players clubs has their playing capability?

 

I've learned a lot since becoming a member of MGS over eight years ago.  Much of it has been from our mid and high handicap guys so much so that I rarely think about a guys handicap when reading his comments.

 

Like Rob the pros at my club will come to me or even refer members to me with equipment questions and also if they are trying to teach a student how to hit a draw. 🙂   

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I'm a scratch player, but I absolutely can learn from mid/high handicappers, especially on a forum like this where guys have done substantially more research than me in certain areas.  I can knock the ball around the course well, but I have a huge blind spot on technology, club fitting, golf course architecture, and many other areas.  Am I going to listen to a swing tip that some high capper is parroting from the latest Golf Digest or take any other unsolicited advice? Probably not.  But are there several other facets of this great game where they might know more than me and can educate me or help me out? Absolutely.

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I had some good convos about different swing mechanics or clubs with a buddy of mine who was a scratch golfer but since he had a kids hes prob like 8-10 handicap now .. and he was always try to give me tips I would try them and I either couldn't do it or didn't feel comfortable .. and I would offer up some things to him and he never discredited he always seemed open it ... but last time we played I was doing really well and he was just off missing every fairway and we get to the next hole and he was like you should try this and I was like na man I am good I feel more comfortable doing what I am doing and then I smoked my shot middle fair way while he sliced it into the forest some where.. Usually I would be open to what he was saying but I was so comfortable with what I was doing no way I was going to mess up my back 9 on some swing changes 

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4 hours ago, revkev said:

 

 

 also if they are trying to teach a student how to hit a draw. 🙂   

I definitely need to book a lesson with you on my next trip down there, which might be January if I have my way! 

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On 10/25/2020 at 8:53 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

It will come down to if the TSi I have coming for the review is longer than my TS1.  Hopefully that will convince him. 
He even used the fact i have had so many clubs in his argument against me.  Saying the TS1 is the best driver Ive had, snd i’ve had a lot of them. 
 

I told him he was correct, it is the best, but I can do even better.   He said, he doesn’t believe it.   

So we’ll have to wait and see. 

The truth will set you free, but some people don't want to hear it.  Hopefully the TSi will outdrive the TS1, and you can offer him a nice big cup of STFU.

It will be interesting if you get longer but slightly less accurate, your handicap goes down, but your buddy tries to tell you that you're better off with the TS1.  I love when people argue with math.

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On 10/24/2020 at 9:26 PM, silver & black said:

Skill is not the same as knowledge. Skill and knowledge compliment each other in most cases, but golf is a different animal. One can be a very good player and have little knowledge of equipment or the fundamentals of the golf swing.

There are PGA pros with great knowledge of equipment and swing mechanics that will never be scratch. Golf is hard to be good at. Some have natural ability, but little knowledge as to how or why they can play at a high level.

There are players that lack the natural ability to play at a high level, but they have a lot of knowledge about the game, equipment and swing mechanics... they just can't make that knowledge perform like they would like. Such is life...lol.

Spot on.
 

Confirmation bias will always play a role but at the end of the day, skill and knowledge are mutually exclusive. 
 

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On 10/26/2020 at 2:23 PM, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I definitely need to book a lesson with you on my next trip down there, which might be January if I have my way! 

To be clear they have me demonstrate not actually teach anything. 🙂

But I am an expert at the 12 ounce curl and would love to compare notes on that with you post round.

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Doesn't believe in golf physics?  Does he believe in golf statistics, and that you would actually score better if you picked up yardage, even if it means missing a few fairways?
And since you've owned nearly every golf club made, I can't think of someone who knows more about equipment.
 

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