Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, cnosil said: We could also add Larry Mize who scored the same as Bryson on Thursday. Did you hear DJ’s rundown of clubs he hit on each hole in the presser. A couple 5 irons a few 8’s and wedges on the back nine AFTER laying up! if i recall correctly he had wedges into 3,9,14 and 18 of the par 4’s. 9 minutes ago, EEZurg said: Didn't Bryson declare Augusta was a par 67 for his game?????? Well...he was way over that par! JohnSmalls and tony@CIC 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, EEZurg said: Didn't Bryson declare Augusta was a par 67 for his game?????? When Bryson plays well it probably is. tony@CIC and Shankster 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEZurg Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, cnosil said: When Bryson plays well it probably is. It's the stuff you say AFTER you win.....or never at all (if you're smart) Edited November 16, 2020 by EEZurg tony@CIC 1 Quote 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 60g EXS 7wood Tensei Blue R 699 4-7i USTRecoil 660 F3 R 699 Pro 8-AW USTRecoil 660 F3 R JB Forged 54 and JB Forged 58 Full Face TAll Wide Blade putter NX9 The Grint Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, EEZurg said: It's the stuff you say AFTER you win.....or never at all (if you're smart) Probably true. So why not have the media leave him alone about his preparation and wait until after the tournament to talk to the players. Rickp and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Bryson played like absolute crap this week and still shot -2, so yeah his Par 67 comments were pretty much spot on. Not sure why it's been such a point of contention...Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rickp and tony@CIC 2 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 It's easy to look at DJ and the way he comports himself and think none of this stuff matters all that much to him. Well, seeing moments like this, that lift the curtain of just how much it actually means to him, is pretty cool to see... Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app GolfSpy_SHARK, Golfspy_CG2, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 3 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said: It's easy to look at DJ and the way he comports himself and think none of this stuff matters all that much to him. Well, seeing moments like this, that lift the curtain of just how much it actually means to him, is pretty cool to see... Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app That was awesome. Even my fiance who is not much of a golf fan, but knows the bog names said, “wow, that is not something I expected to see from him”. Only thing that would have made it better, was if Bubba had come out of nowhere to give him a hug, and say....I get it brother! JohnSmalls, tony@CIC, GolfSpy_SHARK and 4 others 7 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEZurg Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 38 minutes ago, cnosil said: Probably true. So why not have the media leave him alone about his preparation and wait until after the tournament to talk to the players. Because they love guys like him to say crazy stuff and talk about it all week and then rub his nose in it. He went hook, line, and sinker! Quote 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 60g EXS 7wood Tensei Blue R 699 4-7i USTRecoil 660 F3 R 699 Pro 8-AW USTRecoil 660 F3 R JB Forged 54 and JB Forged 58 Full Face TAll Wide Blade putter NX9 The Grint Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, EEZurg said: Because they love guys like him to say crazy stuff and talk about it all week and then rub his nose in it. He went hook, line, and sinker! I don't think they are rubbing his nose in it. I think the media actually realizes that he it taking golf to a different level and have changed their tune considerably. JohnSmalls, Rickp and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaksy68 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Shankster said: Dude had a 7 wood in the bag. Go get yours everyone! Finished re-shafting mine yesterday, yet to use it, but I'm ahead of the curve downlowkey, MaxEntropy, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 6.0 F8 3 & 5 Woods Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 TS2 7 Wood Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 MP18 MMC - Project X LZ 5.5 Zipcore Wedges 50,54,58 - Project X LZ 5.5 MLA Tour Mallet 33" Z Star Pioneer bag buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Kenny B said: Rory has some demons at Augusta. It may take a few more years, but I think it will happen. DJ just dominated the course. I thought he was losing it with those two bogeys early, but he came back from those nicely and poured it on. His putting is so much better this year. I think that's the difference. If Rory and Koepka were told the tournament started Thursday and not Friday, they woulda been right in the mix! I thought JT was gonna give DJ a push as well, but he really lost momentum down the stretch. tony@CIC and Kenny B 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, ncwoz said: If Rory and Koepka were told the tournament started Thursday and not Friday, they woulda been right in the mix! I thought JT was gonna give DJ a push as well, but he really lost momentum down the stretch. Based on Rory's post round interview today I think he learned a lot about playing the Masters. I think he will win one before his career is over. tony@CIC, ncwoz, HardcoreLooper and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, cnosil said: Based on Rory's post round interview today I think he learned a lot about playing the Masters. I think he will win one before his career is over. I think so too. But, as young as Rory is, Father Time has a way of sneaking up on you - his odds start dropping faster and faster as the years roll along. Great addition to DJ's, kind of under the radar, crazy good PGA Tour record! tony@CIC, ncwoz and Kenny B 3 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I’m not a Bryson Basher, but with all the talk that he was going to destroy the course. How ironic is it, he finished behind Benhard Langer who averaged less than 260 off the tee all week, but hit 87% of fairways. Yes, I think this just tempers the distance is king debate a bit. Certainly Bryson (and a handful of others) can completely overpower many courses when he has both distance and accuracy going but in a good many layouts distance only is not that big a benefit. tony@CIC and ncwoz 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Great addition to DJ's, kind of under the radar, crazy good PGA Tour record! I didn't realize until this weekend that he has the career runner up grand slam! Kenny B, tony@CIC and fixyurdivot 3 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Yes, I think this just tempers the distance is king debate a bit. Certainly Bryson (and a handful of others) can completely overpower many courses when he has both distance and accuracy going but in a good many layouts distance only is not that big a benefit. I think DJ basically manhandled the golf course as well. He just did a better job than Bryson this week. And because he keeps his mouth shut, he hasn't put a target on his back. The distance debate will be back. Golfspy_CG2, tony@CIC, MaxEntropy and 1 other 4 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: I think so too. But, as young as Rory is, Father Time has a way of sneaking up on you - his odds start dropping faster and faster as the years roll along. Great addition to DJ's, kind of under the radar, crazy good PGA Tour record! Phil didn't win his first Masters until he was almost 34, then won 2 more. DJ is 36. Rory is only 31, and it will happen... plenty of time. fixyurdivot, HardcoreLooper, MaxEntropy and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Kenny B said: Phil didn't win his first Masters until he was almost 34, then won 2 more. DJ is 36. Rory is only 31, and it will happen... plenty of time. Wait, DJ is 36!!!! I would have sworn he was younger. tony@CIC and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 8 hours ago, rbsiedsc said: Wait, DJ is 36!!!! I would have sworn he was younger. Yeah, unlike a lot of the young guys today, he played 4 years in college. So he was 22 when he turned pro in 2007 and went to Q School and qualified. So he’s been out there 14 seasons already. tony@CIC, MaxEntropy and ncwoz 3 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 9 hours ago, ncwoz said: I didn't realize until this weekend that he [DJ] has the career runner up grand slam! I’d never heard of a “Silver Slam” before yesterday either. tony@CIC and ncwoz 2 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Yes, I think this just tempers the distance is king debate a bit. Certainly Bryson (and a handful of others) can completely overpower many courses when he has both distance and accuracy going but in a good many layouts distance only is not that big a benefit. Augusta played soft, which benefited Langher. Under normal conditions he would lose 10 strokes on balls not holding greens from those distances he played in from. tony@CIC and Rickp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: I think DJ basically manhandled the golf course as well. He just did a better job than Bryson this week. And because he keeps his mouth shut, he hasn't put a target on his back. The distance debate will be back. I said it tempers it... yea, no doubt the discussion continues. I still see big distance w/o accuracy, on a good many layouts, as not that much of an advantage - even a disadvantage. I've played with people who bomb balls, but too many of them, into adjacent fairways, OB's, and tree groves. More often than not they would have scored better 30 yards further out on the short grass. HardcoreLooper, tony@CIC and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 3 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, LICC said: Augusta played soft, which benefited Langher. Under normal conditions he would lose 10 strokes on balls not holding greens from those distances he played in from. That's an interesting take, because going into the week it seemed many people were saying the wet conditions were going to benefit the bombers and hurt the shorter folks. I think your point is a really good one, and also highlights that golf is a really complicated game. There's just so many variables going on, and oftentimes people make it seem simpler than it is! tony@CIC and LICC 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Yes, 63-year-old Bernhard Langer outplayed Bryson DeChambeau at the Masters on Sunday! tony@CIC, Shankster and Kenny B 3 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: I said it tempers it... yea, no doubt the discussion continues. I still see big distance w/o accuracy, on a good many layouts, as not that much of an advantage - even a disadvantage. I've played with people who bomb balls, but too many of them, into adjacent fairways, OB's, and tree groves. More often than not they would have scored better 30 yards further out on the short grass. I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning. When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole. Most of the bomb and gouge guys do. Trees are an interesting situation. I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest. Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side. So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes. But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced. I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there. The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there. If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it. And that's what I found to be true. It's the quality of your misses that matter. These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors. And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down. Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey. If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down. They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee. ncwoz, tony@CIC and cnosil 3 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Not sure if Jeff Knox has been mentioned in the 18 page thread but this story is pretty cool.... dude has the course record 61 !! https://golf.com/news/mysterious-augusta-national-marker-jeff-knox/ ncwoz and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad Buggy- Clicgear 4.0 Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said: I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning. When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole. Most of the bomb and gouge guys do. Trees are an interesting situation. I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest. Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side. So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes. But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced. I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there. The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there. If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it. And that's what I found to be true. It's the quality of your misses that matter. These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors. And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down. Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey. If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down. They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee. Not Augusta specific but... Interesting conundrum. Trees and penalty areas are the only defense to distance. Adding penalty areas doesn't have a great affect on the overall playing of the course. May work good for tourney time but not great any other time. Trees have a detrimental effect on grass growth so you see more and more course removing trees. But in doing so it opens up width with allows long hitters to take advantage. The balance will be found IMO but length is always going to be king. cnosil, HardcoreLooper and tony@CIC 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said: I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning. When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole. Most of the bomb and gouge guys do. Trees are an interesting situation. I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest. Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side. So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes. But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced. I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there. The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there. If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it. And that's what I found to be true. It's the quality of your misses that matter. These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors. And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down. Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey. If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down. They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee. I played a course in Springfield, IL in August that was great for me - very few trees, pretty open, but some well-placed penalty areas. For the most part, I was able to hit driver as far as I could with little regard for accuracy because I would likely have some shot. Maybe not optimal but at least a shot. I ended up shooting my best round of the year. I've followed Scott Fawcett a fair amount and I totally get his point and understand he has statistics to back it up, but my concern is when your dispersion cone is as wide as mine is, I would think there are times dialing back to a shorter club is the prudent play. For all I know, maybe that is part of the decade program - if your dispersion cone gives you a likely chance of being in jail, don't do it. tony@CIC and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 2 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning. When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole. Most of the bomb and gouge guys do. Trees are an interesting situation. I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest. Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side. So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes. But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced. I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there. The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there. If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it. And that's what I found to be true. It's the quality of your misses that matter. These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors. And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down. Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey. If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down. They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee. I agree. I was going to mention that the pros escape/scrambling prowess far outweighs we amateurs and they get away with less damage than most - that is the trade off for being 30+ yards further down is still on the plus side most of the time. Anyway, the longest hitters are not winning every week and I'm not even sure the data shows they are winning disapportionally even adjusting for their smaller populous. Until that becomes the norm, it's doubtful anything but some course layout and conditions are done to throttle the bombers. HardcoreLooper and tony@CIC 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: I agree. I was going to mention that the pros escape/scrambling prowess far outweighs we amateurs and they get away with less damage than most - that is the trade off for being 30+ yards further down is still on the plus side most of the time. Anyway, the longest hitters are not winning every week and I'm not even sure the data shows they are winning disapportionally even adjusting for their smaller populous. Until that becomes the norm, it's doubtful anything but some course layout and conditions are done to throttle the bombers. While they may not be winning every week, they are scoring lower on average that the shorter hitters. Lou Stagner provides lots of data on twitter that shows this. HardcoreLooper, ncwoz and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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