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16 minutes ago, cnosil said:

We could also add Larry Mize who scored the same as Bryson on Thursday.  

Did you hear DJ’s rundown of clubs he hit on each hole in the presser. A couple 5 irons a few 8’s and wedges on the back nine AFTER laying up!  
 

if i recall correctly he had wedges into 3,9,14 and 18 of the par 4’s. 

9 minutes ago, EEZurg said:

Didn't Bryson declare Augusta was a par 67 for his game?????? 

Well...he was way over that par! 

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10 minutes ago, EEZurg said:

Didn't Bryson declare Augusta was a par 67 for his game?????? 

When Bryson plays well it probably is. 

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4 minutes ago, cnosil said:

When Bryson plays well it probably is. 

It's the stuff you say AFTER you win.....or never at all (if you're smart)

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7 minutes ago, EEZurg said:

It's the stuff you say AFTER you win.....or never at all (if you're smart)

Probably true.  So why not have the media leave him alone about his preparation and wait until after the tournament to talk to the players.  

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Bryson played like absolute crap this week and still shot -2, so yeah his Par 67 comments were pretty much spot on. Not sure why it's been such a point of contention...

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It's easy to look at DJ and the way he comports himself and think none of this stuff matters all that much to him. Well, seeing moments like this, that lift the curtain of just how much it actually means to him, is pretty cool to see...



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25 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said:

It's easy to look at DJ and the way he comports himself and think none of this stuff matters all that much to him. Well, seeing moments like this, that lift the curtain of just how much it actually means to him, is pretty cool to see...
 

 


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That was awesome.   Even my fiance who is  not much of a golf fan, but knows the bog names said, “wow, that is not something I expected to see from him”.  
 

Only thing that would have made it better, was if Bubba had come out of nowhere to give him a hug, and say....I get it brother! 😬

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38 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Probably true.  So why not have the media leave him alone about his preparation and wait until after the tournament to talk to the players.  

Because they love guys like him to say crazy stuff and talk about it all week and then rub his nose in it.  He went hook, line, and sinker! 

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18 minutes ago, EEZurg said:

Because they love guys like him to say crazy stuff and talk about it all week and then rub his nose in it.  He went hook, line, and sinker! 

I don't think they are rubbing his nose in it.   I think the media actually realizes that he it taking golf to a different level and have changed their tune considerably.  

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2 hours ago, Shankster said:

Dude had a 7 wood in the bag.  Go get yours everyone!

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2 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Rory has some demons at Augusta.  It may take a few more years, but I think it will happen.  

DJ just dominated the course.  I thought he was losing it with those two bogeys early, but he came back from those nicely and poured it on.  His putting is so much better this year.  I think that's the difference.

If Rory and Koepka were told the tournament started Thursday and not Friday, they woulda been right in the mix! I thought JT was gonna give DJ a push as well, but he really lost momentum down the stretch.

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2 minutes ago, ncwoz said:

If Rory and Koepka were told the tournament started Thursday and not Friday, they woulda been right in the mix! I thought JT was gonna give DJ a push as well, but he really lost momentum down the stretch.

Based on Rory's post round interview today I think he learned a lot about playing the Masters.   I think he will win one before his career is over.  

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40 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Based on Rory's post round interview today I think he learned a lot about playing the Masters.   I think he will win one before his career is over.  

I think so too.  But, as young as Rory is, Father Time has a way of sneaking up on you - his odds start dropping faster and faster as the years roll along.

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3 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I’m not a Bryson Basher, but with all the talk that he was going to destroy the course.  How ironic is it, he finished behind Benhard Langer who averaged less than 260 off the tee all week, but hit 87% of fairways. 

Yes, I think this just tempers the distance is king debate a bit.  Certainly Bryson (and a handful of others) can completely overpower many courses when he has both distance and accuracy going but in a good many layouts distance only is not that big a benefit.

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6 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Great addition to DJ's, kind of under the radar, crazy good PGA Tour record! 

I didn't realize until this weekend that he has the career runner up grand slam!

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7 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yes, I think this just tempers the distance is king debate a bit.  Certainly Bryson (and a handful of others) can completely overpower many courses when he has both distance and accuracy going but in a good many layouts distance only is not that big a benefit.

I think DJ basically manhandled the golf course as well.  He just did a better job than Bryson this week.  And because he keeps his mouth shut, he hasn't put a target on his back.  The distance debate will be back.

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32 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I think so too.  But, as young as Rory is, Father Time has a way of sneaking up on you - his odds start dropping faster and faster as the years roll along.

Great addition to DJ's, kind of under the radar, crazy good PGA Tour record! 

Phil didn't win his first Masters until he was almost 34, then won 2 more.  DJ is 36.  Rory is only 31, and it will happen... plenty of time.

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Just now, Kenny B said:

Phil didn't win his first Masters until he was almost 34, then won 2 more.  DJ is 36.  Rory is only 31, and it will happen... plenty of time.

Wait, DJ is 36!!!! I would have sworn he was younger. 

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8 hours ago, rbsiedsc said:

Wait, DJ is 36!!!! I would have sworn he was younger. 

Yeah, unlike a lot of the young guys today, he played 4 years in college.  So he was 22 when he turned pro in 2007 and went to Q School and qualified.  So he’s been out there 14 seasons already.   
 

 

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9 hours ago, ncwoz said:

I didn't realize until this weekend that he [DJ] has the career runner up grand slam!

I’d never heard of a “Silver Slam” before yesterday either.

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10 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yes, I think this just tempers the distance is king debate a bit.  Certainly Bryson (and a handful of others) can completely overpower many courses when he has both distance and accuracy going but in a good many layouts distance only is not that big a benefit.

Augusta played soft, which benefited Langher. Under normal conditions he would lose 10 strokes on balls not holding greens from those distances he played in from.

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10 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

I think DJ basically manhandled the golf course as well.  He just did a better job than Bryson this week.  And because he keeps his mouth shut, he hasn't put a target on his back.  The distance debate will be back.

I said it tempers it... yea, no doubt the discussion continues.  I still see big distance w/o accuracy, on a good many layouts, as not that much of an advantage - even a disadvantage.  I've played with people who bomb balls, but too many of them, into adjacent fairways, OB's, and tree groves.  More often than not they would have scored better 30 yards further out on the short grass.

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2 hours ago, LICC said:

Augusta played soft, which benefited Langher. Under normal conditions he would lose 10 strokes on balls not holding greens from those distances he played in from.

That's an interesting take, because going into the week it seemed many people were saying the wet conditions were going to benefit the bombers and hurt the shorter folks. I think your point is a really good one, and also highlights that golf is a really complicated game. There's just so many variables going on, and oftentimes people make it seem simpler than it is!

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Yes, 63-year-old Bernhard Langer outplayed Bryson DeChambeau at the Masters on Sunday!

 

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3 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

I said it tempers it... yea, no doubt the discussion continues.  I still see big distance w/o accuracy, on a good many layouts, as not that much of an advantage - even a disadvantage.  I've played with people who bomb balls, but too many of them, into adjacent fairways, OB's, and tree groves.  More often than not they would have scored better 30 yards further out on the short grass.

I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning.  When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole.  Most of the bomb and gouge guys do.  Trees are an interesting situation.  I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest.  Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side.  So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes.  But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced.  I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there.  The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there.  If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it.  And that's what I found to be true.

It's the quality of your misses that matter.  These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors.  And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. 

What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down.  Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey.  If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down.  They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee.

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Not sure if Jeff Knox has been mentioned in the 18 page thread but this story is pretty cool.... dude has the course record 61 !!

https://golf.com/news/mysterious-augusta-national-marker-jeff-knox/

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Cobra  LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*,  F9 24* 
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7 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said:

I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning.  When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole.  Most of the bomb and gouge guys do.  Trees are an interesting situation.  I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest.  Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side.  So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes.  But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced.  I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there.  The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there.  If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it.  And that's what I found to be true.

It's the quality of your misses that matter.  These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors.  And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. 

What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down.  Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey.  If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down.  They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee.

Not Augusta specific but...

Interesting conundrum. Trees and penalty areas are the only defense to distance. Adding penalty areas doesn't have a great affect on the overall playing of the course. May work good for tourney time but not great any other time. Trees have a detrimental effect on grass growth so you see more and more course removing trees. But in doing so it opens up width with allows long hitters to take advantage. 

The balance will be found IMO but length is always going to be king. 

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28 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said:

I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning.  When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole.  Most of the bomb and gouge guys do.  Trees are an interesting situation.  I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest.  Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side.  So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes.  But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced.  I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there.  The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there.  If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it.  And that's what I found to be true.

It's the quality of your misses that matter.  These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors.  And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. 

What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down.  Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey.  If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down.  They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee.

I played a course in Springfield, IL in August that was great for me - very few trees, pretty open, but some well-placed penalty areas. For the most part, I was able to hit driver as far as I could with little regard for accuracy because I would likely have some shot. Maybe not optimal but at least a shot. I ended up shooting my best round of the year.

I've followed Scott Fawcett a fair amount and I totally get his point and understand he has statistics to back it up, but my concern is when your dispersion cone is as wide as mine is, I would think there are times dialing back to a shorter club is the prudent play. For all I know, maybe that is part of the decade program - if your dispersion cone gives you a likely chance of being in jail, don't do it.

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2 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

I know that Bryson used to be a Scott Fawcett disciple in college, and I think he's working with Microsoft now on analytics and game planning.  When he drives it well (think Winged Foot), he keeps it inside the playing corridors of the hole.  Most of the bomb and gouge guys do.  Trees are an interesting situation.  I play a lot of golf at a 4600 yard course that was hacked out of a forest.  Several holes have thick, ball-eating, no escape trees on either side.  So the playing corridors are fairly narrow, and driver is a bad play on lots of holes.  But I played across town at a buddy's course last week that has trees that are more spaced.  I made up a game plan and hit driver almost everywhere, including into those trees twice, and played my best round of golf ever there.  The popular theories of the day say to go for it, because you can probably advance your ball toward the green from there.  If it's not a definite stroke penalty, send it.  And that's what I found to be true.

It's the quality of your misses that matter.  These guys are good enough, and smart enough, to keep it within the corridors.  And to gear down only when the corridor is too narrow. 

What's disturbing is that rough doesn't always slow these guys down.  Maybe they go from thinking birdie to thinking par, but they're not facing a certain bogey.  If they can hit some kind of back-foot wedge and get it up near the green in a good spot, they have good enough short games to get up and down.  They take their par, then get up and mash on the next tee.

I agree.  I was going to mention that the pros escape/scrambling prowess far outweighs we amateurs and they get away with less damage than most - that is the trade off for being 30+ yards further down is still on the plus side most of the time.  Anyway, the longest hitters are not winning every week and I'm not even sure the data shows they are winning disapportionally even adjusting for their smaller populous.  Until that becomes the norm, it's doubtful anything but some course layout and conditions are done to throttle the bombers.

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2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

I agree.  I was going to mention that the pros escape/scrambling prowess far outweighs we amateurs and they get away with less damage than most - that is the trade off for being 30+ yards further down is still on the plus side most of the time.  Anyway, the longest hitters are not winning every week and I'm not even sure the data shows they are winning disapportionally even adjusting for their smaller populous.  Until that becomes the norm, it's doubtful anything but some course layout and conditions are done to throttle the bombers.

While they may not be winning every week,  they are scoring lower on average that the shorter hitters.   Lou Stagner provides lots of data on twitter that shows this. 

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