Jump to content

Play through? Forgotten Etiquette?


Recommended Posts

Totally poor etiquette & a stupid response. As others have said, once they all hit their Tee balls I would have driven past them and started on the next hole. I would have also mentioned it at the club house on my way out.

  • Like 1

Driver: :cobra-small: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft

3 Wood: :cobra-small: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft

2 & 3 Hybrids: :cobra-small: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft

Irons: :cobra-small: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts

Wedges: :cobra-small: MIM 54* Versatile/60* Widelow

Putter: :odyssey-small: Dual Force Rossi II

Ball: Whatever I find in the woods

:Arccos:

HCP:18

Link to comment
17 hours ago, Urbs_Valhalla said:

When did letting people "play through" go by way of the dodo?

Played today and it was my second straight round with a 3 hour back 9.  Today, I was in a 2 player group catching a 4 player group at the tee for 8 straight holes.  No group in front of them.  I asked if we could play through and was told no.  The reason they face was, it would disrupt the flow of their round.

Am I remembering golf etiquette wrong?

Should I have just hit upon them and forced the issue?

I would say, call the clubhouse and ask for a ranger to come by, our courses are pretty good about asking the slow groups to let people play through, specially when the flow of the group ahead is running like molasses.

Our scramble last Sunday was particularly painful as the group in front of us was very slow playing the back nine, at some point there were a total 3 groups, 12 people, us and 10 more waiting on the par 5 12th hole tee box, so they could hit into the green from 350+ yards, that was the 3rd shot for them, so I was willing to bet that none would hit the green from the rough they were sitting in.

unfortunately being a competition we could not skip a hole, but the ranger did give them a warning after a couple of holes to pick up the pace.

 

Edited by xOldBenKenobiX
  • Haha 1

My Reviews:

2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter

2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag

Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX

Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX

Work in Progress... Stix Golf - Wood and Putter set unofficial review.

Driver - :cobra-small: Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5  Wood - :honma:TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 shaft. :titelist-small:  - AP1 714 5 to PW, with UST  Mamiya Recoil 65 DART F3 Graphite shafts. Wedges  :vokey-small: SM4 48*, Oil Can 52*, SM5 56* and SM6 58*, PutterTommy Armour 2019 Impact 3 TA 2021 Impact 2. Ball   :titelist-small:  ProV1, :Arccos: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :footjoy-small: A couple of:nike-small: A couple of Adidas ,   Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:SuperSpeed: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph

20200728_121856.jpg.9cf8a7d26ca1096e8d390a8c2f59b6c2.jpg

Link to comment

We play a public course and slow play can be a real issue. Mind you there would be no benefit in calling us through and you would just get stuck behind the next group.

  • Like 1

Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree

Callaway Epic Flash 3 wood 15 Degree

Callaway Epic Hybrid 18 Degree

Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons

Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft

Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Clubs

Callaway Big Bertha Putter - Preferred

Preferred ball - Seed 001

Link to comment

People say that you should play at your own pace and enjoy the game but if that pace is causing other people issue you step aside and let them play thru.

Since retiring I play a lot of singles golf at the club and I realise that I will be held up so if there is no one behind me I don't push the group in front. I will finish the hole then have some practise putts or chips until I go on the tee.  If the group are aware they will wave me thru I thank them and move promptly on. The guys I usually have problems with are the older guys who still hold onto the etiquette of the 1980s "Singles have no standing on the course". Saying that at the club a 4 hour plus round is very rare.  When the course is stacked  you don't have much option but to suck it up. When this is the case then I will normally cut my round short.

My worse experience was when I played in the States in Rancho Bernardo just outside San Diego. There was a ladies 4-ball competition on and it was 3 hours for the front 9. At 10 the Marshal ended up shuttling me around the course looking for a gap for me to play. I can't remember the order I played the back 9 in but 10 and 11 were my last holes just before dusk. But I didn't expect to be let thru the Marshal seemed more concerned than me.

 

  • Like 3

WIMB

Driver Callaway Epic 10.5' Fujikura Stiff

3W Callaway Epic 15' Fujikura Stiff

3-AW Srixon Z565 Nippon Stiff

52', 56' Cleveland RTX 585 Wedges

Putter Taylormade Rosa Daytona

Bags 2017 Callaway Org14 Cart bag or 2018 Srixon Z start Carry bag 

Link to comment

Lots of assholes out there. No reason not to let a 2 ball play through. I ran into a similar situation playing as a single walking behind a 2 in carts. I just kept the pressing them and asking them what was taking so long every t box. Eventually they gave up and let me through. I would never hit up into a group but definitely will be vocal!!


Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

  • Like 4
Link to comment
6 hours ago, xOldBenKenobiX said:

I would say, call the clubhouse and ask for a ranger to come by, our courses are pretty good about asking the slow groups to let people play through, specially when the flow of the group ahead is running like molasses.

You're lucky that your local courses have rangers.  Very few courses around here bother with rangers anymore.  Not even volunteers.

 

  • Like 3

What's in the bag:
Driver - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Hybrid (19*) - :taylormade-small: RBZ
4i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
Bag - :1590477705_SunMountain: 2.5 (Black)
Ball -  :taylormade-small: TP5X Pix
Instagram - @hardcorelooper
Twitter - @meovino
Facebook - mike.eovino

 

 

Link to comment
9 hours ago, djahubes said:

Lots of assholes out there. No reason not to let a 2 ball play through. I ran into a similar situation playing as a single walking behind a 2 in carts. I just kept the pressing them and asking them what was taking so long every t box. Eventually they gave up and let me through. I would never hit up into a group but definitely will be vocal!!


Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

I don't understand the mentality of some people. If I'm out in a group and someone comes up behind and we are holding them up I will always look to let them thru, if there is space. I'm not a slow player (in my own head) and don't like rushing round a course. If you let them thru, you can play at your own pace and enjoy the day. 

Sometimes it is a testosterone driven thing.

One other anecdote playing with my son and flatmate, ex-marine and rugby player. On the 3rd, short downhill par 4 (320 yds) we are putting and the 3 ball behind drive ball pitches in the greenside bunker, 4th hole 470 yds par 5 on the green putting the guys behind playing their 2nd shots again ball runs on the front, I gesture to the group behind indicating that they are playing right up our backs. 5th hole 290 yd par 4, closest yet, ball pitches 1st bounce on the green.  We stop at the 6th and wait for them to let them play thru, 1st guy comes up having lost his ball. And I politely say would he like to play thru and he declines. I then point out that I want them to play thru since they have nearly hit us 3 times and he takes offence and start arguing with me. Meanwhile my sons friend is whispering in my ear "can I just hit him, we can take them, can I just hit him, please". Anyway he went back to his mates and we didn't see them again for the round. 

I pointed out to Gregg that if he hit him he would get banned and so would I so maybe not the best course of action.

 

  • Like 6
  • Haha 1

WIMB

Driver Callaway Epic 10.5' Fujikura Stiff

3W Callaway Epic 15' Fujikura Stiff

3-AW Srixon Z565 Nippon Stiff

52', 56' Cleveland RTX 585 Wedges

Putter Taylormade Rosa Daytona

Bags 2017 Callaway Org14 Cart bag or 2018 Srixon Z start Carry bag 

Link to comment
1 hour ago, Alf. S said:

I don't understand the mentality of some people. If I'm out in a group and someone comes up behind and we are holding them up I will always look to let them thru, if there is space. I'm not a slow player (in my own head) and don't like rushing round a course. If you let them thru, you can play at your own pace and enjoy the day. 

 

having a group up your ass is the worst, i couldn’t agree more. 

it makes for a really stressful round, which is kind of the opposite of the point 

  • Like 2

image.png.926c5dbfc594427870bc33c43f290630.pngSIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX 

  image.png.4f15ae5144722103242556b2db6d1033.pngSIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX

image.png.bce9eebd9a20266703b359d88959bbcb.pngSIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X
Titleist logo | Logo gallery, Golf birthday party, Logo designU500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX
Titleist logo | Logo gallery, Golf birthday party, Logo design T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7
Vokey Design Vector Logo | Free Download - (.SVG   .PNG) format - VTLogo.com SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
SIK Golf Partners with GolfPlus to Host Entry Level Professional Events!  DW | BGT Stability Tour

Link to comment
9 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

You're lucky that your local courses have rangers.  Very few courses around here bother with rangers anymore.  Not even volunteers.

 

On our courses the rangers used to be a couple of part time older gentlemen, now it seems they are rotating everyone else during busy times to act as a ranger, at least most days there is someone out there trying to keep pace of play.

  • Like 2

My Reviews:

2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter

2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag

Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX

Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX

Work in Progress... Stix Golf - Wood and Putter set unofficial review.

Driver - :cobra-small: Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5  Wood - :honma:TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 shaft. :titelist-small:  - AP1 714 5 to PW, with UST  Mamiya Recoil 65 DART F3 Graphite shafts. Wedges  :vokey-small: SM4 48*, Oil Can 52*, SM5 56* and SM6 58*, PutterTommy Armour 2019 Impact 3 TA 2021 Impact 2. Ball   :titelist-small:  ProV1, :Arccos: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :footjoy-small: A couple of:nike-small: A couple of Adidas ,   Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:SuperSpeed: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph

20200728_121856.jpg.9cf8a7d26ca1096e8d390a8c2f59b6c2.jpg

Link to comment

No rangers in my neck of the woods. You have to call the pro shop and hopefully someone will come out. But for the most part this situation does not happen very often in my area.  

:ping-small: Driver, G400 11* SR Flex

:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR  HL 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:Sub70:  JB Wedge 56*

:cleveland-small: Wedge, CBX 60*

:odyssey-small: Putter, Marksman Fang 35"

Link to comment

As a single I play very fast. I even play with three guys who are caddies and we can get nine done in about an hour, walking. More people refuse to let us play through than do. 

I was playing as a single one day, and waited on guys at every tee box, and they refused to let me play through. They had open holes in front and even tried to start small talk with me after hitting their shots instead of walking to their ball. I've also had groups that only will let you through when they can tell they're being watched by the marshals, which tells me they know they're doing something wrong. 

I keep seeing "its the young guys who don't know about etiquette" or "the old guys who are playing 80's rules" or whatever the reasoning is. I've been held up by old farts and young punks, but it almost feels like the OK Boomer mentality is taking over the game. The game isn't growing because it's like literally everything in life: change is hard for humans and no one wants to let go of the traditions they're used to. Young guys that get drunk and listen to music are an abomination to the traditional crowd, and the young disrespectful punks don't want to wait for a gaggle of geezers waiting for the farthest out to hit his 80 yard 3 wood. 

The pros aren't doing anything to model behavior with their 5 hour rounds and yelling at the camera people. Maybe this is the direction the game is going, like society in general. Me first and not in my backyard. I'm not sure how to change it, but the solution is in every player's response rather than their reaction. 

  • Like 6

Titleist 975J

Callaway Hawkeye 3 Wood

Ben Hogan CFT Hybrid, Apex Plus Irons

Cleveland 588 Wedges

Scotty Newport 2 Mid Slant Pro Platinum

Link to comment
On 10/28/2020 at 7:52 PM, Micah T said:

This is what Bluetooth speakers are made for: see how AC/DC blaring from your cart on every tee box treats them...

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

Haha this funny. 

Is it that there aren't marshalls any more? Are they only employed by private clubs?

Anyway, I've defiantly noticed the zombie, types, oblivious to what's going on around them, let alone behind them. They also share the mentality that their round will be disrupted if they let you through. Sorta like the dh In the fast lane on the freeway. "Ima tax payer driver". 

So, yeah the solution, I guess, is to go around them, middle finger out. Kidding. 

Then there's the other type. These rockstars zip by you, while you're on the green and proceed to tee off . They're awesome, until they realize there's a group right in front of them. "Eff it, they're going for it." This is probably the twosome with a speaker, who have now created an awkward situation as they drive off while you pull up to the tee box.

My solution would be to have the starter as well as messages, signs and a plane flying over prompting you to let faster players through. There's a balance to this though and it can be tricky for some, especially when they're faced with multiple groups in front of them. 

 

 

 

Edited by nofives
  • Like 1

Titliest TSi 3

Sub 70 3 Tour

Titliest Ap2

Cameron Newport 2 @ 2008 model. 

Link to comment

I honestly don't recall a group ever not allowing me to play through before. The last time I was out, we allowed a twosome through on a par 5, and a few months back a foursome let me and my buddy through without us even asking. When I'm out with my son, we're always conscious of openings in front of us in case there's anyone coming up from behind. Some people are just aware of their surroundings and other people I guess, while other people are not.

  • Like 2

In my  :wilson_staff_small:  carry bag:
:wilson_staff_small:  D7 
:callaway-small:  GBB 3W (lofted to 4W)
:callaway-small: V-Series Heavenwood
:cobra-small: Baffler XL 5i-PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 54*
:ping-small: iWedge 58*
:cleveland-small: #10
Whatever ball I have 3 dozen of that my kids got me as a gift

Twitter: @russtopherb

 

Link to comment

Assuming the group in front of you isn't waiting on someone in front of them, and they won't let you play through, and the round counts towards your handicap or course record...there's always the option of putting it in there back pocket. I always make sure it's done safe if I find myself in that position. Play ready golf, and as soon as they get off the green hit the approach shot. As soon as they are out of range hit the tee shot. Call me a liar, but I try to passify the situation by saying something like "wow, that was the shot of my life, never thought I could hit it that far".

Eventually they'll either get the drift you're waiting on them, let you join, you're close enough to ask to play through, or the rare occasion of them being angry and yell for hitting into them. I've only been yelled at once in 30 years, the rest of the time it starts a decent conversation or very friendly apology for not letting me play through earlier.

It's 90% Mental

Link to comment
On 10/28/2020 at 8:07 PM, Urbs_Valhalla said:

When did letting people "play through" go by way of the dodo?

Played today and it was my second straight round with a 3 hour back 9.  Today, I was in a 2 player group catching a 4 player group at the tee for 8 straight holes.  No group in front of them.  I asked if we could play through and was told no.  The reason they face was, it would disrupt the flow of their round.

Am I remembering golf etiquette wrong?

Should I have just hit upon them and forced the issue?

In answer to your questions; no, I don't think it's a lost form of golf etiquette - yet, and no, I don't advise hitting up on people.  It's been my experience that at least 90% of groups who are playing slow, and have a hole plus ahead of them open, let the group behind play through. Playing through only really works if the course isn't jugged up anyway.  Often, groups will slow down a whisker so as not to be standing at the tee waiting. Well marshalled courses, as a general rule, keep the need to "play through" unnecessary... now well marshalled courses are indeed going by way of the Dodo Bird.

As for hitting up on groups to push them along... bad idea. That's about the only situation that brought me close to an altercation on a golf course. It's a stupid move when done on purpose.

:ping-small: G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver 

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w

:srixon-small:  ZX5 Irons 4-AW 

:ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW   (removed from double secret probation 😍)

:EVNROLL: ER5v Putter  (Evnroll ER5v Official Review)

 

 

Link to comment

Have reviewed several post in this thread. Agree with  most as its just rude to hold others up. But I think a lot this starts in the club house. When the golfer and/or group checks in they should be reminded whether verbal or signs posted that slow play is to be avoided if at all possible. And to let others play through. Not all courses have marshals to enforce and keep checks on pace of play.

I have witnessed some golfers threaten the pro-shop people that they will take their business elsewhere and no one challenges them. IF it were my course I would tell them to leave or play with etiquette and respect for others. And I would call BS on their threats to do business elsewhere. If they come once they will be back again or they would not have been there in first place. I would rather run a business/course with high standards and demand respect from all than foolishly take money from a few that will ruin the day for the rest of the golfers that do play with respect to others.

Lastly I do tend to hold on the view that a single has no standing but with caveats -- time of day that round occurs and possibly high traffic days when course is full. Truth is when you mix singles with groups of 3-5 then you always can have pace of play challenges. Courses can do their part by managing times for both a little better. And I play fast and to lower hdcp but know there are days/times its not conducive for me to play as a single. Either I pair up or practice -- choice is mine. Just my views and experience from 40+ years playing. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
On 10/29/2020 at 8:40 AM, PMookie said:

No, modern rudeness caused it. I was taught golf etiquette back when I was a kid, in the 70s. I learned from my father what proper etiquette in golf was. Today, kids aren’t learning from their parent, especially if they weren’t raised playing golf. Add to this the music on course, the drunken videos destroying carts and property, etc and there is more to do with current society than someone just driving past. 

 

... While I think most of us have run across younger players lost in their 10 foot bubble with zero awareness of people outside their phone/group, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Playing as a single I have been paired up with quite a few younger players that are respectful of the game and those playing the game. "Kids today" is something I said I would never embrace after hearing it when I was a kid so just remember we see/hear the obvious inconsiderate younger players blasting music, riding carts next to the green and tee box or playing insanely slow because they are unaware that anyone els is on the course. But the ones that are respectful go without notice unless you are playing with them, but they are out there. 

... I almost always play twilte or later in the day and yesterday it was 20+ mph winds but sunny and 58* so not bad with a stocking cap and lightweight jacket. But we ere behind a group of 2 couples in their 50's and 60's that were keeping up close enough but slowed down on the last 3 holes. 18 is a par 5 and completely open as the sun was setting and getting dark and it was much colder. We were walking off 17 as they left the tee box with a 3 some waiting and they took their sweet time, several practice swings, talking instead of hitting and moving, so older folks can be pretty self centered too. The only saving grace was the 20+ wind was at our backs so I was able to reach the fringe in 2 with my DHy and had my only birdie with barely enough light to see the putt. 🤪

Driver:   TaylorMade SIM2 Max 10.5* ... Diamana Ltd 60R
Fairway:  TaylorMade SIM2 Max 15* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
                 TaylorMade SIM2 Max 18* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
Utility:   TaylorMade DHy 19* ... Diamana Ltd 65R
              Taylor Made Sim Hybrid 22* ... Diamana Ltd 75R
Irons:    4-Pw Cobra King Tour MIM ... Steelfiber 95R
Wedges:  Cobra Snakebite 50* ... Steelfiber 95R
                 Vokey SM8 58* ... Steelfiber 95R
Putter:  Cleveland Hunting Beach Soft 11S 33.5"
Ball:      TaylorMade TP5x (2021)

Link to comment

So I previously posted that it never happened to me. So this morning I pull into the golf club parking lot and there is a foresome loading up. I get out of my car, put my shoes on, grab my clubs and head over toward the pro shop. One guy take off in his cart flies over to the first tee and tees it up.  The rest of the group are still in the parking lot. I hit two warm up balls on the range. (Which is right next to the first tee). I look over and the guy is still standing there protecting his spot. I just laughed, got in my cart and teed off on three. I finished up on 18 then played 1 and 2. Finished up and their group was just coming off of 9 heading toward the 10th tee.  Keep in mind that the course is empty. Five cars in the parking lot at 9:30 am.  Was it really that important to want to get out ahead of a single?

  • Like 5
  • Haha 1

:ping-small: Driver, G400 11* SR Flex

:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR  HL 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:Sub70:  JB Wedge 56*

:cleveland-small: Wedge, CBX 60*

:odyssey-small: Putter, Marksman Fang 35"

Link to comment

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...