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I would say try the 7 iron and if it works better, use it. Otherwise just stay with what you are doing.

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55 minutes ago, RobbyT said:

I would say try the 7 iron and if it works better, use it. Otherwise just stay with what you are doing.

I mean, we're all fanatics here. So work on both to have both shots in your toolbox. But then rely primarily on the one that you're more comfortable with. 

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On 11/2/2020 at 7:36 AM, Kenny B said:

An 80 year old friend of mine in Florida showed me the 7i bump and run shot when I first took up golf.  Worked OK in Florida on his slow Bermuda greens, but it's never a club that I would use here in Washington.  Our greens are poa annua or bent grass and generally quite fast.  Any club longer than a PW will run to the other side of the green if chipping from just off the green.  I find it difficult to judge how far the ball will roll out using an iron.  If I'm close enough I'm putting, otherwise I'm using my 60º for for most all shots.  I know how far to carry the shot into the green because I practice with my 60º all the time.  I have several shots with different trajectories that I can use depending on where the hole is located on the green.  When I need to go over a bunker, it's the same shot for me.

Whatever club you use for chipping, the key is to get used to the shots you will likely encounter on the course and practice them.  Practicing them is NOT hitting 6-8 balls before heading to the 1st tee!!!  The biggest reason players don't use a LW is they don't practice with it.  Carrying a LW that you never use and then expecting to pull off a shot with it when you need to is a corollary to the "definition of insanity".

Haha that’s a great point about the definition of insanity! 😅 I had a sand wedge in my bag for a while that I never practiced with and it got nixed and pulled out so I could put a club I use/like more 

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On 11/3/2020 at 6:05 AM, russtopherb said:

"Well, the pros say to do this..."

Well, the pros can practice 8 hours a day. I have one course where I can practice my short game when I can, which isn't all that often. Maybe a few hours per month if I'm lucky. So I'm a big fan of chipping with an iron and getting the ball rolling as soon as possible to prevent skulled & bladed chips. Take all the variables out whenever possible.

That’s a really great point! Wouldn’t it be nice to just always play private courses for 8 hrs a day and have that luxury? Man that’s the life. 

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On 11/2/2020 at 9:13 PM, Hook DeLoft said:

Another thought on this subject.  I remember Harvey Penick advocated for using a 7 iron to chip with.  However, that was when 7 irons were 36 to 38 degrees of loft.  Today, that would be a weak 8 iron or strong 9 in many sets.  If you are chipping with a modern strong lofted 7 iron, you are essentially using a classic 5 iron.  That may be why I am having so much trouble dialing in the 7 iron.

Another factor, green speeds are MUCH faster now than they were even 20 years ago, let alone 40 or 50.  So with reduced lofts and faster greens, using a "higher-number" club to chip with makes a lot of sense.  I use my 60 for the majority of my short game shots, but when I have more green to work with, and less fairway grass to carry, I'll use less lofted clubs.  And if I'm in places with really firm turf and short fairway grass, I'll use a true chip and run, landing the shot well short of the green.  Practice everything, the more tools you have in your arsenal, the better you'll be able to adapt to different conditions and different shot requirements.

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36 minutes ago, Jwilson95 said:

That’s a really great point! Wouldn’t it be nice to just always play private courses for 8 hrs a day and have that luxury? Man that’s the life.

Welcome to my world. Private course (Robert Trent Jones) , never have to make a tee time. Play as a single , foursome or even 5.  You don't even have to play all 18 in order. It's all good. Played 18 today started on hole 4 and after hole #18 I played 1, 2, and 3. Left the house at 12:00 and was home by 3:00.  I'm not rubbing it in I'm just fortunate to have a wife that is over accounting there.  Otherwise I wouldn't get to play as much. 

Lucky my wife doesn't read MGS.  It goes something like this.. Hi dear I'll think I'll stop by your work to say hi today. Maybe we should have lunch together? Well since I'm here, maybe I will go play a little. I'll see you at home later. Have a nice rest of the day. I'm sure she is on to me by now. I've been doing it for 12 years and it always seems to be on nice days. But she never called me out on it yet. 

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I’ll chip with most of my irons: as long as there’s nothing but green between me and the cup. Distance determines the club,but the stroke remains the same length: essentially a putting stroke. I pitch with my 60 degree vokey and spend a lot of time practicing various distances and trajectories. My main course features all elevated greens, so pitching suits my game and eye much more for that course. To me it’s too situational to ever be an either or...


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Lots of good recommendations here.

In our TFT chapter, we encourage kids to experiment with lots of different clubs around the green.  If you're not trying to get the ball over rough or a bunker, there's lots of different ways to skin the cat.  I'm someone who likes to get the ball on the ground and running as soon as possible.  Depending upon the texture of the fringe, I'll play the ball over it or use it to take some speed off the ball.  But at my dad's course in SC where they have paspalum grass in the fringe, if you land the ball in that fringe, it will jump forward about a foot and then die.  It's like velcro.

As @DaveP043 states, I'm using clubs with larger numbers to hit these shots with, because of stronger lofts and also hotter faces.  

My younger daughter tries to use a sand wedge for all shots around the green, with varying degrees of success.  You just can't tell these kids what to do...

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On 11/6/2020 at 5:35 PM, DaveP043 said:

Another factor, green speeds are MUCH faster now than they were even 20 years ago, let alone 40 or 50.  So with reduced lofts and faster greens, using a "higher-number" club to chip with makes a lot of sense.  I use my 60 for the majority of my short game shots, but when I have more green to work with, and less fairway grass to carry, I'll use less lofted clubs.  And if I'm in places with really firm turf and short fairway grass, I'll use a true chip and run, landing the shot well short of the green.  Practice everything, the more tools you have in your arsenal, the better you'll be able to adapt to different conditions and different shot requirements.

Great post and I don’t disagree for those who play enough to develop “more tools.” But for those who have/make little or no time for practice, I wonder if you’re better off using only bump and run OR high lofted wedges as often as possible - e.g. I’d rather be proficient at one than mediocre at both? Right or wrong I default to my 8i, which is workable 90% of the time. I muddle through when I’m forced to use my 56 or 60, but that happens less than once a round for me. I’ll be the first to admit it’s not an easy question.

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I am now situational in my club selection. I had previously used the 54 as my go to but have found that using my 9 iron for basic chips has resulted in getting closer to the hole and is more predictable. As I move away from the hole I try to use the 9 but will switch to the 54 if I need more carry.

That’s pretty close to what I do except I use 8iron. Been doing it a long time that way and works for me....most of the time.


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I am now situational in my club selection. I had previously used the 54 as my go to but have found that using my 9 iron for basic chips has resulted in getting closer to the hole and is more predictable. As I move away from the hole I try to use the 9 but will switch to the 54 if I need more carry.

That’s pretty close to what I do except I use 8iron. Been doing it a long time that way and works for me....most of the time.


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I am now situational in my club selection. I had previously used the 54 as my go to but have found that using my 9 iron for basic chips has resulted in getting closer to the hole and is more predictable. As I move away from the hole I try to use the 9 but will switch to the 54 if I need more carry.

That’s pretty close to what I do except I use 8iron. Been doing it a long time that way and works for me....most of the time.


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Using more loft when chipping has been proven to be less accurate, so I usually use my 8 iron. I may use something else if I’ve shortsided myself, but I’m much better with the bump-and-run.

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I learned how to chip with the 58 degree because that what the pro used. 

 

as stated here the chipping motion is different than a 7i bump and run. I have tried to add a 7i bump in run to my shot selection but I always end up way over my intended target. I'll stick to my chip shot beside who doesn't love to see the ball check up!

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These days,I carry four wedges (PW, GW, SW, LW) but go to the ‘ole faithful 7i around the green. I played HS golf when you only had a PW and maybe a SW if you were lucky. The bump and run was the shot of choice, and we weren’t concerned with bounce. After a clinic last year, I’ve tried a 3H around the green. After all, golf is an art as well as a science for Bryson.


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Did some bump and run practice yesterday and may need to stick with it. Felt more confident and had better distance from the cup compared to landing a wedge close. 

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I do better with an 8 iron or PW.

Only use the (finesse) wedges when trying to go over an obstacle, out of sand, over bushes, etc.

My Son can play all the fancy wedge shots, no matter what the lie is.

For me, it has to be sitting on grass, and I know when to not try it.

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On 11/10/2020 at 10:55 PM, Golf Dawg said:

I played HS golf when you only had a PW and maybe a SW if you were lucky. The bump and run was the shot of choice, and we weren’t concerned with bounce.

I too grew up in the era where wedges meant a pitching wedge and a sand wedge, I started in the early 1970s.  And I agree, a lower-lofted running shot was usually the choice.  But green speeds in that era were MUCH slower than they are now, and higher-flying softer shots are needed much more often on today's faster greens.  Its good to have all of the shots.

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I am now team bump and run. I had always struggled with high lofted wedges with pitch shots from the fairway, and chip shots. Generally leave them short.

Last couple of rounds i went bump and run (with no practice) and they generally worked out pretty well.

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I go with the 7-iron chip route because its much easier and more consistent to just get the ball rolling.  You just take so many variables out of play and even if you mishit it, your ball is still going to be on the green and fairly close to where you intended.

With a lob wedge, if you mishit it, you are either going to duff it and have the ball go 5 feet or you are going to skull it 50 yards over the green.  Not to mention you have to factor in for how much spin you are going to get and how soft the green is.

Forget about the lob wedge flop shots, go old school and just get it rolling on the green.

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My daughter worked on short game with her coach the other day, and we talked about this after the lesson.  She also likes the idea of getting the ball on the ground and rolling as soon as possible, only playing the high shot when it's required.

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