Help! Is this scotty cameron real or fake?

[Jajabinx]

Hey all. I recently bought this club off Facebook marketplace and it wasn't cheap. I'm now wondering if I've been sold a fake.  The guy selling it also bought it second hand so had no reason to believe it was. 

It's in pristine condition, looks like it's never been used. There was no mention of whether or not it had been refinished. 

It looks the part mostly but the face has been made entirely smooth and I know traditionally Scotty's have the characteristic milling. I'd appreciate some opinions and this is my first Scotty and can't seem to find anything on the web.  It came with a head cover that certainly looks authentic. 

Is this just a good counterfeit? Have I been mugged off?

[GolfSpy_APH]

Serial number?

[Jajabinx]

No serial number on the shaft... Could have been reshafted?

[cnosil]

Definitely has been modified:

New grip
New shaftband
Face was polished smooth

None of those mean fake. Hard to know if it is a fake without side by side comparison to a known real putter. Fakes usually have slightly different fonts and placement of the wording.

[GolfSpy_APH]

14 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Definitely has been modified:

New grip
New shaftband
Face was polished smooth

None of those mean fake. Hard to know if it is a fake without side by side comparison to a known real putter. Fakes usually have slightly different fonts and placement of the wording.

Agree with all of the above, can be almost impossible to tell.

We had a fake come into the store to be cut down. We were only able to tell it was a fake because A) the head was wrapped in plastic which we had never seen from a scottie (think box set plastic on the head) and the grip smelled bad and had a different font. Outside of that it felt similar and looked identical. 

[bens197]

Grab a hex wrench and see if those screws budge.  Real Scotty's have real screws from this vintage.

[Buffly]

5 hours ago, Jajabinx said:

Hey all. I recently bought this club off Facebook marketplace and it wasn't cheap. I'm now wondering if I've been sold a fake.  The guy selling it also bought it second hand so had no reason to believe it was. 

It's in pristine condition, looks like it's never been used. There was no mention of whether or not it had been refinished. 

It looks the part mostly but the face has been made entirely smooth and I know traditionally Scotty's have the characteristic milling. I'd appreciate some opinions and this is my first Scotty and can't seem to find anything on the web.  It came with a head cover that certainly looks authentic. 

Is this just a good counterfeit? Have I been mugged off?

This is from the Scotty Cameron website archive. The smooth finish is suspect. Did you ask the seller if he was the original owner? And, how did he get the smooth finish?

If you replace the grip with a traditionally red Scotty grip that is correct then it should be an easy flip.

https://www.scottycameron.com/archives/putters/2005/studio-style/newport-2/

[Jajabinx]

55 minutes ago, Buffly said:

This is from the Scotty Cameron website archive. The smooth finish is suspect. Did you ask the seller if he was the original owner? And, how did he get the smooth finish?

If you replace the grip with a traditionally red Scotty grip that is correct then it should be an easy flip.

https://www.scottycameron.com/archives/putters/2005/studio-style/newport-2/

The owner bought it second hand too, apparently it had been refurbished prior to him purchasing it. He says he therefore has no proof. 

There's a couple of big names in the refurbishing industry that do the Tiger smooth finish for Scotties. 

Don't think he's being dishonest about not knowing if it's authentic. He seemed fairly sure of the person who owned it before that, but looks like there's no way of knowing. 

[Jajabinx]

 

1 hour ago, bens197 said:

Grab a hex wrench and see if those screws budge.  Real Scotty's have real screws from this vintage.

Will have to try this! 

[ChitownM2]

Is that epoxy on the butt of the grip?  It looks like hardware store epoxy which is kind of alarming as it obviously shouldn't be there and implies to me that maybe it was used to install that grip. No reputable refurbisher would use epoxy and I would think that anyone who had bought a real scotty would know enough not to install a grip using it.

Edit: I couldn't place it before but looking again, I'm pretty certain that is standard gorilla glue. I certainly hope it isn't or you're going to have a hell of a time replacing that grip in the future.

Edited November 12, 2020 by ChitownM2

[MGoBlue100]

I CERTAINLY am no Scotty expert.  However, as I look at the cavity, it appears that there is material left around the edges of the cavity back.  Doesn't seem to be "Scotty level" quality of casting or finishing to my (untrained) eye.  Simply my observation.  I am usually skeptical.

[Larryd3]

Maybe post it on the Cameron collectors website and ask the experts.  

[cnosil]

Is that epoxy on the butt of the grip?  It looks like hardware store epoxy which is kind of alarming as it obviously shouldn't be there and implies to me that maybe it was used to install that grip. No reputable refurbisher would use epoxy and I would think that anyone who had bought a real scotty would know enough not to install a grip using it.
Edit: I couldn't place it before but looking again, I'm pretty certain that is standard gorilla glue. I certainly hope it isn't or you're going to have a hell of a time replacing that grip in the future.

It may be some type of glue. I wasn’t that concerned since it looks like it was used to fix a tear in the butt end. Looks like when they put on the grips they pushed down too Hard and the shaft ripped through the rubber.

[bens197]

1 minute ago, cnosil said:

It may be some type of glue. I wasn’t that concerned since it looks like it was used to fix a tear in the butt end. Looks like when they put on the grips they pushed down too Hard and the shaft ripped through the rubber.

I'll second that opinion.  The grip looks like a weekend warrior job.  This is a curious piece, I am interested to see the result.

Anyone smarter than me, aren't there serial numbers on the shaft somewhere?  Perhaps beneath the grip?

[ChitownM2]

2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It may be some type of glue. I wasn’t that concerned since it looks like it was used to fix a tear in the butt end. Looks like when they put on the grips they pushed down too Hard and the shaft ripped through the rubber.

it does look that way now that you point it out. They must have used some serious force putting on that grip!  

[cnosil]

it does look that way now that you point it out. They must have used some serious force putting on that grip!  

I’ve done it before. Usually broke through after hitting the bottom of my bag a few times.

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

It may be some type of glue. I wasn’t that concerned since it looks like it was used to fix a tear in the butt end. Looks like when they put on the grips they pushed down too Hard and the shaft ripped through the rubber.

Or it got slammed on the ground grip end first or slammed into a bag hard----- Ask me how I know

[Urbs_Valhalla]

16 hours ago, Jajabinx said:

Hey all. I recently bought this club off Facebook marketplace and it wasn't cheap. I'm now wondering if I've been sold a fake.  The guy selling it also bought it second hand so had no reason to believe it was. 

It's in pristine condition, looks like it's never been used. There was no mention of whether or not it had been refinished. 

It looks the part mostly but the face has been made entirely smooth and I know traditionally Scotty's have the characteristic milling. I'd appreciate some opinions and this is my first Scotty and can't seem to find anything on the web.  It came with a head cover that certainly looks authentic. 

Is this just a good counterfeit? Have I been mugged off?

If you are willing to pay a few bucks to find out for sure, you can send it to Scotty Cameron for authentication.  You can also pay to have it resorted to original specs or have them customize it.

[Urbs_Valhalla]

16 hours ago, Jajabinx said:

Hey all. I recently bought this club off Facebook marketplace and it wasn't cheap. I'm now wondering if I've been sold a fake.  The guy selling it also bought it second hand so had no reason to believe it was. 

It's in pristine condition, looks like it's never been used. There was no mention of whether or not it had been refinished. 

It looks the part mostly but the face has been made entirely smooth and I know traditionally Scotty's have the characteristic milling. I'd appreciate some opinions and this is my first Scotty and can't seem to find anything on the web.  It came with a head cover that certainly looks authentic. 

Is this just a good counterfeit? Have I been mugged off?

I bought a used SC putter about 10 years ago for $50.  Had it certified and sold it a couple months ago for more then $50.

[Jackal]

I'll see if I can find the links. I bought a fake-Scotty putter 2 years ago. It was a gamble, and I got it for $35 bucks. I figured I couldn't go wrong for that.

Well it did turn out to be fake. The first thing I was told is  "A magnet won't stick to a real Scotty".

Yeah, mine's magnetic.

My Son has the real deal, and mine feels 95% as good as his. 

My putting improved 500% with this fake.

We laugh and call it my (Scooty Cameroon ).

I'll see if I can find the links. They gave several details and pics.

[Jackal]

https://golfpartnerusa.com/pages/spot-the-fake

[MNUte]

So I'm not an expert at this, but I'd lean towards fake. 

Look at the Newport 2.0s on the official website vs. yours:

https://www.scottycameron.com/archives/putters/2006/studio-style/newport-2/

 

If you look at the S on the back, the actual Scotty has a flatter S whereas yours has a different font on the bottom (it tilts up more).

 

The front has a milled face whereas yours is smooth (has been mentioned already, but needs to be reiterated).

 

The colors are off The official website and other ones I've seen in different lights have the yellow, green and blue slightly darker/paler. Whereas the official ones also have the red actually a bit brighter than yours. 

 

As others have mentioned, the shaft and grip are off. 

 

And a few smaller things. That being said, a well crafted chunk of metal is a well crafted chunk of metal. So it'll probably still be pretty smooth to hit. 

[Jackal]

Another thing I've been told about serial numbers. They use real numbers on fake clubs.

They have a real Scotty that they copied.

Now let's say the serial# is ABC123, they use ABC124, ABC125, and so on.

They may actually use up to a thousand numbers.

Then, when someone calls Cameron putters and asks, it's a real number.

Also, they don't get 50 calls in 1 week asking if the same number ( ABC123) is real.

[Larryd3]

17 hours ago, Urbs_Valhalla said:

If you are willing to pay a few bucks to find out for sure, you can send it to Scotty Cameron for authentication.  You can also pay to have it resorted to original specs or have them customize it.

Downside is that if it's fake, believe they will destroy it.  But a coa should add some value for resell.  Also the custom shop is backed up right now, I sent a putter for restoration and a coa and it look like 5 months.  not sure on just the timing for a coa though.  

[MNUte]

56 minutes ago, Larryd3 said:

Downside is that if it's fake, believe they will destroy it.  But a coa should add some value for resell.  Also the custom shop is backed up right now, I sent a putter for restoration and a coa and it look like 5 months.  not sure on just the timing for a coa though.  

Im pretty sure they can't legally destroy your property without your permission. If they did, youd have a good claim to demand that they reimburse you for what you paid for the fake or at least that they give you a replacement for the destroyed club. Which seems pretty good to me. 

[cnosil]

2 hours ago, MNUte said:

Im pretty sure they can't legally destroy your property without your permission. If they did, youd have a good claim to demand that they reimburse you for what you paid for the fake or at least that they give you a replacement for the destroyed club. Which seems pretty good to me. 

This isn't unique to Cameron.   Counterfeit products are typically destroyed without reimbursement.  

[MNUte]

46 minutes ago, cnosil said:

This isn't unique to Cameron.   Counterfeit products are typically destroyed without reimbursement.  

Really? That goes against a lot of property law and ownership principles. I mean, there's not enough in any one case to convince me or another attorney to pursue legal action. But without permission, companies generally don't have a legal right to destroy the property of others, even counterfeits. That's what's called conversion and entitles you to full compensation. Even if it's an under infringement on your intellectual property, you don't get to punish the innocent third party consumer. That doesn't strengthen preventative or reparative legal policy. 

 

Do you have any examples of companies that do this regularly? Or even an example of one that's done it more than once? 

[THEZIPR23]

22 minutes ago, MNUte said:

Really? That goes against a lot of property law and ownership principles. I mean, there's not enough in any one case to convince me or another attorney to pursue legal action. But without permission, companies generally don't have a legal right to destroy the property of others, even counterfeits. That's what's called conversion and entitles you to full compensation. Even if it's an under infringement on your intellectual property, you don't get to punish the innocent third party consumer. That doesn't strengthen preventative or reparative legal policy. 

 

Do you have any examples of companies that do this regularly? Or even an example of one that's done it more than once? 

If you buy a stolen car you are not getting your money back or the car back even if you didn't know it was stolen. Would imagine that is very similar here. 

[MNUte]

16 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

If you buy a stolen car you are not getting your money back or the car back even if you didn't know it was stolen. Would imagine that is very similar here. 

Counterfeit and stolen are completely different legal principles. So not similar in the least.

Edited November 13, 2020 by MNUte

[Larryd3]

46 minutes ago, MNUte said:

Really? That goes against a lot of property law and ownership principles. I mean, there's not enough in any one case to convince me or another attorney to pursue legal action. But without permission, companies generally don't have a legal right to destroy the property of others, even counterfeits. That's what's called conversion and entitles you to full compensation. Even if it's an under infringement on your intellectual property, you don't get to punish the innocent third party consumer. That doesn't strengthen preventative or reparative legal policy. 

 

Do you have any examples of companies that do this regularly? Or even an example of one that's done it more than once? 

I think if you called up the Scotty custom shop and asked them if you send in a putter that turns out to be a fake, will they return it or trash it, you'll get the answer.  I honestly don't know, just have heard it from numerous sources that companies will not return fakes.