mr.hicksta Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, juspoole said: The 785's were the only thing remotely close to the same feel and fit for my game that my Mizuno MP 18 SC's were. At that point, I only had my Mizunos for about 8 months and still have them now a few years later. My irons are certainly a strength of my game, but if I do choose to change it may be to these ZX7's if they look and feel as good as the 785's did. A little disappointed by the pricing increases, but Srixon is a great iron that gets looked over too many times. Possibly even go to the 785's if I can find them in mint condition from a reseller. In my opinion, irons like these don't get major overhauls or updates to them as more game improvement irons can. Going back to the Z785s from the 921 Forged I was blown away by how good they feel! I'm excited about the ZX7s, but for real the Z785s are going to be hard to beat, which is why I'm keeping them instead of offloading them like I normally would . juspoole, StrokerAce and Golfspy_CG2 2 1 Quote LTDx Black 10.5º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Z785 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Tour B X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, mr.hicksta said: which is why I'm keeping them instead of offloading them like I normally would . You're a stronger man than me by far StrokerAce and mr.hicksta 1 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) *Null* Edited November 17, 2020 by rbsiedsc double post Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: you could also combo a 585/785 set.... these irons are some of the best you will ever play. Are the z-forged worthy of combo'ing with the 785 or are the785 great on their own merits? Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, rbsiedsc said: Are the z-forged worthy of combo'ing with the 785 or are the785 great on their own merits? I don't anything about the z forged but I can tell you the 785s are fantastic clubs. Right up there with any Mizuno or Titleist. Seriously underrated. The heads can be a little small so the idea of adding 4-6 585 with 785 7-P is done quite a bit for mid HC. I have a full set of 785 and they are great, but if you want a touch more forgiveness with the long irons the 585 offer that. mr.hicksta and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: I don't anything about the z forged but I can tell you the 785s are fantastic clubs. Right up there with any Mizuno or Titleist. Seriously underrated. The heads can be a little small so the idea of adding 4-6 585 with 785 7-P is done quite a bit for mid HC. I have a full set of 785 and they are great, but if you want a touch more forgiveness with the long irons the 585 offer that. Thanks. I am to in love with my PXGs at the moment, but having the tour racks with the V-sole are starting to grow on me to a point that maybe a srixon is in my future (shhh, don't tell my wife) StrokerAce 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: Thanks. I am to in love with my PXGs at the moment, but having the tour racks with the V-sole are starting to grow on me to a point that maybe a srixon is in my future (shhh, don't tell my wife) yeah...they really started a trend with that v sole and I have to say it really works. cuts through the turf smoothly (fewer fat shots) and moves the ball up the face into the sweet spot better (on thin shots) .... certainly worth a look. mr.hicksta 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: yeah...they really started a trend with that v sole and I have to say it really works. cuts through the turf smoothly (fewer fat shots) and moves the ball up the face into the sweet spot better (on thin shots) .... certainly worth a look. that sounds like they would be very helpful. If there is ever testing of these in combo sets, man, everyone could get hooked Sadly I never got to hit them at my fitting in August, which is unfortunate, as I was leaning towards them just due to the tech. Edited November 17, 2020 by rbsiedsc StrokerAce 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Great looking irons and would love to think about the ZX7, just a really clean looking set. Probably no new irons in the future, but you never know. Golfspy_CG2 and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Interesting, and not surprising, there is no W plug in the PW it looks like. This set looks so seamless. Great job Srixon! Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzoid08 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 They look fantastic but they appear to have raised the MSRP $ 300 Dollars a set above the Z585-Z785 Line. I also don't understand the release date of January 6th 2021 for Pre-Orders. They totally missed the Christmas Holiday business for 2020. That said the ZX7 may replace my beloved OnOff Kuro Irons. Quote Texan Raised in Maryland OnOff Kuro 2015 Irons 5-PW NS. Pro Modus 105 Titleist TSi3 MC Tensei White 65 Ping G425 Max 14.5 Max MC Tensei Orange 75 Ping Anser 23 degree Hybrid Mizuno T20 50 ,54,58 Wedges Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2 Titleist Pro V-1X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Tzoid08 said: They look fantastic but they appear to have raised the MSRP $ 300 Dollars a set above the Z585-Z785 Line. I also don't understand the release date of January 6th 2021 for Pre-Orders. They totally missed the Christmas Holiday business for 2020. That said the ZX7 may replace my beloved OnOff Kuro Irons. I presume due to COVID issues things got delayed in the US. The MSRP kinda sucks as I almost jumped on the 785/585 combo for under $1000. is it bad I drool when I see these?? My poor pxgs (and my wife, must think I am a split personality when it comes to clubs) Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Tzoid08 said: They look fantastic but they appear to have raised the MSRP $ 300 Dollars a set above the Z585-Z785 Line. I also don't understand the release date of January 6th 2021 for Pre-Orders. They totally missed the Christmas Holiday business for 2020. That said the ZX7 may replace my beloved OnOff Kuro Irons. Release in a normal year would have been August/September time frame. When they had to make the decision in the spring to push back the release, A January launch and big push at the PGA Show in made the most sense, as there really isn't a ton of golf purchasing going on in November or December in most of the country. Christmas sales for Golf Clubs isn't really a thing. Trust me I've given Santa enough hints on that, and end up with no brown boxes under the tree every year As for price, if you go to the Wilson Raw bal thread and read a lot of the comments in there on the Wilson Tour Model ball being priced up in the TP5 and Callaway range, Barbs gives some pretty good reasoning on why it makes since for the challenger brands to price near the premium brands when the quality of the product calls for it. And these irons are without a doubt of the same quality as he current lines from the "Big 4" Rtracymog, mr.hicksta, PMookie and 2 others 4 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzoid08 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: Release in a normal year would have been August/September time frame. When they had to make the decision in the spring to push back the release, A January launch and big push at the PGA Show in made the most sense, as there really isn't a ton of golf purchasing going on in November or December in most of the country. Christmas sales for Golf Clubs isn't really a thing. Trust me I've given Santa enough hints on that, and end up with no brown boxes under the tree every year As for price, if you go to the Wilson Raw bal thread and read a lot of the comments in there on the Wilson Tour Model ball being priced up in the TP5 and Callaway range, Barbs gives some pretty good reasoning on why it makes since for the challenger brands to price near the premium brands when the quality of the product calls for it. And these irons are without a doubt of the same quality as he current lines from the "Big 4" I agree on the quality equals or eclipses the competitors but 30% price jump and when you struggle to even get retailers to stock your products it's a huge gamble. Many of Srixon sales most likely come without demo or fitting because they are still a niche product. Quote Texan Raised in Maryland OnOff Kuro 2015 Irons 5-PW NS. Pro Modus 105 Titleist TSi3 MC Tensei White 65 Ping G425 Max 14.5 Max MC Tensei Orange 75 Ping Anser 23 degree Hybrid Mizuno T20 50 ,54,58 Wedges Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2 Titleist Pro V-1X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: why it makes since for the challenger brands to price near the premium brands when the quality of the product calls for it. It’s one of several reasons why cobra always had the “cheap” moniker associated with the brand. Despite how good many of their iron releases were people viewed them as cheap and the interest wasn’t there ejcrossl 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I wonder how much these will cost from some of the retailers with the good prices. I emailed one but they said to email them back in Jan. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, dlow206 said: I wonder how much these will cost from some of the retailers with the good prices. I emailed one but they said to email them back in Jan. I think you can look at the latest Mizuno release for a reasonable ballpark of where the prices may fall. Talking with some of my friends in the golf retail circle, almost all of them comment about how good Srixon products are, but follow that up with a comment about how they just don’t have the name recognition of the ‘big’ brands. Srixon trade in value seems to support that sentiment as used Srixon clubs are damn near worthless compared to other brands. All that said, I’m keeping my Z785s as my backup set and will happily bag either a ZX5/ZX7 combo or straight ZX7 set. And damn Christmas, this is my birthday gift! Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote LTDx Black 10.5º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 6F4 LTDx 3W 15º | UST LIN-Q M40X TSPX Blue 7F4 G425 3H 19º | UST Recoil Proto Hybrid 85F4 Z785 4-PW | UST Recoil 125 Proto F4 RTX ZipCore Tour Rack 50º Mid, 54º Mid, 60º Mid | UST Recoil Wedge Proto F4 ER5BV | BGT Stability Tour Tour B X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamese Moose Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Tzoid08 said: I agree on the quality equals or eclipses the competitors but 30% price jump and when you struggle to even get retailers to stock your products it's a huge gamble. Many of Srixon sales most likely come without demo or fitting because they are still a niche product. The place I go (Miles of Golf) carries Srixon, and they're always present at the demo days I've been to. But then again, when I last got fitted he didn't even consider having me try Srixon. Rtracymog and Tzoid08 2 Quote Moose, my cat, is Siamese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Ya i wish when i got fitted i would have tried the srixons. i totally forgot to be it up for my Tour Van fitting and now have the PXGs. Question, are the Hogan V sole similar to Srixon? If so i may just demo that and if I like it go with the Srixon. Any thoughts? Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzoid08 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: Ya i wish when i got fitted i would have tried the srixons. i totally forgot to be it up for my Tour Van fitting and now have the PXGs. Question, are the Hogan V sole similar to Srixon? If so i may just demo that and if I like it go with the Srixon. Any thoughts? Ben Hogan demo Irons are not available as far as I know. I requested Demo PTx Pros about 2 months ago and I'm still waiting. I probably would have just bought a set but honestly they have s***** shaft options so I passed on that idea without hitting them 1st. Quote Texan Raised in Maryland OnOff Kuro 2015 Irons 5-PW NS. Pro Modus 105 Titleist TSi3 MC Tensei White 65 Ping G425 Max 14.5 Max MC Tensei Orange 75 Ping Anser 23 degree Hybrid Mizuno T20 50 ,54,58 Wedges Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2 Titleist Pro V-1X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Tzoid08 said: Ben Hogan demo Irons are not available as far as I know. I requested Demo PTx Pros about 2 months ago and I'm still waiting. I probably would have just bought a set but honestly they have s***** shaft options so I passed on that idea without hitting them 1st. Ya I didnt like their shaft options either, although now they are working with a 3rd party to do custom orders (not just club champion). I wish Srixon did demos of irons. Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzoid08 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, rbsiedsc said: Ya I didnt like their shaft options either, although now they are working with a 3rd party to do custom orders (not just club champion). I wish Srixon did demos of irons. I saw that and their 3rd Party charges a pretty big premium to shaft the irons that every other MFG offers at no upcharge. It's so dumb I am turned off by Ben Hogan Golf.... Quote Texan Raised in Maryland OnOff Kuro 2015 Irons 5-PW NS. Pro Modus 105 Titleist TSi3 MC Tensei White 65 Ping G425 Max 14.5 Max MC Tensei Orange 75 Ping Anser 23 degree Hybrid Mizuno T20 50 ,54,58 Wedges Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2 Titleist Pro V-1X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballplayer002003 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 9:52 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: Yeah as a Srixon fan and with some ties to that brand I like to see them succeed and when you don’t have the same retail space and eyes on the product the price can help someone maybe give them a try. The price is WAAAAY to high for most people to look at. As a smaller brand, most will turn to your big 3 (TM, Callaway and Ping) for irons in that price point. It's a shame, these look great and I would love to try them but they are too much money. We as consumers need to start demanding the price come back down to earth. Trust me, if people don't buy clubs at premium prices the companies will have no choice but to lower their price tags. Please don't reply with, "but the cost of materials or technology or r&d blah blah blah". We, the consumers set the standard price. If we continue to pay $1300 for 8 irons then the companies will continue to keep edging the price up and up. Simple supply and demand. Just my two cents. jddaigneault 1 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g 3 Wood: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff 5 Wood : Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff 4 Hybrid: TSi3 Hzdrs Smoke X flex Irons: 5-7 Apex forged 19 w/ Modus 120 X 9-A Apex Pro 19 w/ Modus 120 X Wedges: MD5 52&56 Jaws Dynamic Gold wedge flex Putter: Scotty Cameron Phantom 5.5 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, ballplayer002003 said: The price is WAAAAY to high for most people to look at. As a smaller brand, most will turn to your big 3 (TM, Callaway and Ping) for irons in that price point. It's a shame, these look great and I would love to try them but they are too much money. We as consumers need to start demanding the price come back down to earth. Trust me, if people don't buy clubs at premium prices the companies will have no choice but to lower their price tags. Please don't reply with, "but the cost of materials or technology or r&d blah blah blah". We, the consumers set the standard price. If we continue to pay $1300 for 8 irons then the companies will continue to keep edging the price up and up. Simple supply and demand. Just my two cents. Srixon is far from a small brand. They are and have been one of the largest brands in Asia and Europe for quite some time. They were brought to the US in 2014 to expand the market as well as the offerings from SRI which also include Cleveland and XXIO (the premium brand in the group). The company has wanted to keep the Srixon brand more of a premium offering which is why they have a smaller retail presence in the US than the other brands you mentioned, which unfortunately hurts their exposure a bit as does the minimal advertisements on TV. As for the other brands there are very few that have irons under $1300 that aren’t labels game improvement. Like it or not the cost of materials, the transportation of such materials and other economic factors for production play a role in the price as does the cost of research and development. This release utilized AI in its design which is going to add to the cost. But as @Golfspy_CG2 eluded too in regard to the Wilson ball companies have to consider the perceptions of equipment and names in heir relationship to the competitors. So raising the price to the same as the other brands plays a role in letting the consumer know they are on level with those other brands. Yes you are correct that consumers thru demand have a role in the price of goods and if consumers stopped buy goods the demand would go down and such the price would too. But that’s not going to happen as long as we are in a thriving economy and have the means to buy. It’s the same with cars and what used to be the cost effective brands still are but they are just at a higher price than before. Golf consumers have been spoiled for a long time with prices. Callaway had a $500 driver back in the 90s before what we became used to with $400 or less being the norm for drivers and now it’s getting harder to find that price and many of the fairway woods are creeping into that range as drives go past the $500 mark. Golf retail Is a booming business and I don’t see consumers on a large scale deciding not to buy new clubs anytime soon. Rtracymog and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 A meeting with one of the major OEM reps yesterday, and while I can't really share some of the numbers he showed us, it's sales numbers vs 2019 were some of the largest increases it's seen in many years, and that was going almost two full months of prime buying season being shut down. He also showed increases for some of the major competitors, and they had huge increases as well. So it wasn't simply a matter of taking market share from someone else, there was a whole lot of new demand once things opened up again. Some of this demand, were golfers getting back into the game after many years away, and needing new equipment. Some just having been pent up for two months and spending a lot of time on forums and other places reading about all the new equipment While there were many tens of thousands of people out of work unfortunately, those who weren't suddenly found they had more time and in some cases money---that wasn't going to other pursuits such as travel or vacations etc, that were able to spend on golf and golf equipment. Will this carry over into 2021? That's the million dollar question that none of us have an answer to. Early indications are that it will, at least to me based on the inquires I'm getting in my role and things I see people discussing about 2021. So yeah, in short, demand is at an all time high right now, and companies are going to take advantage of that, as any other industry would as well. mr.hicksta, dlow206, Rtracymog and 2 others 5 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 @Golfspy_CG2 - any idea when they will announce the ZX4s? Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: @Golfspy_CG2 - any idea when they will announce the ZX4s? No official word on that. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejcrossl Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 hours ago, ballplayer002003 said: The price is WAAAAY to high for most people to look at. As a smaller brand, most will turn to your big 3 (TM, Callaway and Ping) for irons in that price point. It's a shame, these look great and I would love to try them but they are too much money. We as consumers need to start demanding the price come back down to earth. Trust me, if people don't buy clubs at premium prices the companies will have no choice but to lower their price tags. Please don't reply with, "but the cost of materials or technology or r&d blah blah blah". We, the consumers set the standard price. If we continue to pay $1300 for 8 irons then the companies will continue to keep edging the price up and up. Simple supply and demand. Just my two cents. To me it's the PXG effect. PXG rocked the market with extremely expensive clubs. All other brands took notice, and now the prices are rising. Golfers won't stop buying because well marketing on new shiny clubs is so good. So now all make more money and we lose on the "value". Thanks PXG ballplayer002003 1 Quote Driver - Taylormade M5 10.5 (set to 9.75 deg and 1.5 open) Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec 7x 3 wood - TM M3 17 deg (set to 15.5 deg and 3 deg open) GD DI 7x 3 Hybrid - TM rocketballz Accra Dymatch S165, 68g, M5 flex (XS) Irons (4-5) - Srixon 585s Nippon Modus Pro 120x Irons (6-W) - Srixon 785s Nippon Modus Pro 120x Wedges (51, 56, 60) - Cleveland RTX4 Nippon Modus 125 Wedge Flex Putter - EvnRoll ER5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejcrossl Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: A meeting with one of the major OEM reps yesterday, and while I can't really share some of the numbers he showed us, it's sales numbers vs 2019 were some of the largest increases it's seen in many years, and that was going almost two full months of prime buying season being shut down. He also showed increases for some of the major competitors, and they had huge increases as well. So it wasn't simply a matter of taking market share from someone else, there was a whole lot of new demand once things opened up again. Some of this demand, were golfers getting back into the game after many years away, and needing new equipment. Some just having been pent up for two months and spending a lot of time on forums and other places reading about all the new equipment While there were many tens of thousands of people out of work unfortunately, those who weren't suddenly found they had more time and in some cases money---that wasn't going to other pursuits such as travel or vacations etc, that were able to spend on golf and golf equipment. Will this carry over into 2021? That's the million dollar question that none of us have an answer to. Early indications are that it will, at least to me based on the inquires I'm getting in my role and things I see people discussing about 2021. So yeah, in short, demand is at an all time high right now, and companies are going to take advantage of that, as any other industry would as well. Wonder if the major companies hired back those that were laid off in panic? Heard lots of noise around TM laying off thousands, and business is booming? I just don't understand how stock prices month to month matter more than long term company health? Quote Driver - Taylormade M5 10.5 (set to 9.75 deg and 1.5 open) Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec 7x 3 wood - TM M3 17 deg (set to 15.5 deg and 3 deg open) GD DI 7x 3 Hybrid - TM rocketballz Accra Dymatch S165, 68g, M5 flex (XS) Irons (4-5) - Srixon 585s Nippon Modus Pro 120x Irons (6-W) - Srixon 785s Nippon Modus Pro 120x Wedges (51, 56, 60) - Cleveland RTX4 Nippon Modus 125 Wedge Flex Putter - EvnRoll ER5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejcrossl Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 8:41 PM, dlow206 said: I guess the question is, find a good deal on Z585s or wait for ZX5s? Isn't that always the question? Although as consumers, we are never satisfied without having the Latest and Greatest. Every time we play that question creeps in, what am I leaving on the table. Flip side, I've been upgrading this and that.....handicap isn't moving jb0330 1 Quote Driver - Taylormade M5 10.5 (set to 9.75 deg and 1.5 open) Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec 7x 3 wood - TM M3 17 deg (set to 15.5 deg and 3 deg open) GD DI 7x 3 Hybrid - TM rocketballz Accra Dymatch S165, 68g, M5 flex (XS) Irons (4-5) - Srixon 585s Nippon Modus Pro 120x Irons (6-W) - Srixon 785s Nippon Modus Pro 120x Wedges (51, 56, 60) - Cleveland RTX4 Nippon Modus 125 Wedge Flex Putter - EvnRoll ER5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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