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On 12/1/2020 at 1:10 PM, Shank Aaron said:

Hi everyone. Sorry for the delay with more information. Family, work, and the holidays have temporarily derailed my plans for testing. The weather isn't helping either. I'm hoping to spend some in the sim next week, and hopefully get the TSi2 on the course as well. 

 

I HATE posting videos of myself, the last thing I want/need is to be internet famous, but heres a link to a couple slo-mo's of the Ping and the TSi2. No judgment allowed!

Ping- 

 

 

Titleist- 

 

Only judgment is wearing jeans! 😂

no no, it's cool... winter rules!

I really like the looks of the G425.  keep it up! 

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On 11/17/2020 at 12:50 PM, Shank Aaron said:

Ok, here goes the G425 first take review. I will post up the TSi2 review later.

 

I want to start off by making it clear that my experience as of right now with either of these is on a GC Quad, and I made it a point not to record any data. My goal in that was to make sure my first swings with these two drivers would be strictly about feel, aesthetics, sound, and an overall first impression. I will be playing both drivers for a full 18 this weekend, and will have another sim session to record data after that. So, here goes.

 

Me- 

15 handicap

110-115 mph swing speed

2020 Avg driver distance (total via Arccos sensors)- 287 yards

*NOTE*- prior to starting the testing I had already went through my full bag warm up routine, and hit about 15 drives with my Mavrik gamer. 

 

The Club-

Ping G410 LST 10.5* neutral weight, neutral adapter settings- Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Black stiff 70 playing to 44.75" 

Ball- New, out of the sleeve Pro V1X's

 

Ping G425

Just at address I personally love the looks. Muted and subdued matte black really appeals to me in its simplicity. The first few practice swings made me notice the weight of the head. It's just heavy enough that you notice it on the release, but just light enough that I dont feel it as a chore to swing it. It's a really nice feeling club swinging at air. Time to make it rain. I spent the first 10 swings just getting used to the club and getting solid contact, roughly 75% of my usual swing. The sound is close to the same sound I got from other 400 series drivers, but the G425 is just a tad pingy. Not in a bad way, mind you. The sound is the usual muted twack you're used to from the G410, but theres just the slight hint of a soft ringing at the end. Now, up to this point everything I've written out is basically the same points of view you would expect from the 400 series drivers. Here is where the G425, at least in my opinion, takes a very hard left at the fork. 

 

The feel off the face is unreal. All of you know what I'm talking about with your irons. When you hit the ball so sqaurely off the face that it feels like time has stopped, the ball melted, and you know you did it perfectly. My problem with previous 400 series drivers was that as good as they felt, and as forgiving as they were, I couldn't hit them as far as I could other drivers. I dont really trust distance readings from simulators, but if any of those numbers that popped up are true, this driver will be in every distance conversation in 2021. What impressed me the most were the feel of the mishits. Heel, toe, low, none of those strikes "felt" punishing in my hands and the balls still had nominal impact points on the sim screen. Like a guard dog begging to get off the leash and protect his turf, it just felt like it wanted to hit the ball as far as my ability would allow it. I really hope this will translate to the course and open air. If this driver gives me the proven forgiveness of a Ping AND gives me the distance I want? TAKE MY MONEY! 

 

I will get to work writing the TSi2 review later today. Apparently, they don't pay me to sit here and write club reviews. I've had my job backwards this entire time..... 

Out of curiosity - why do you play ProV1X? I have a very different swing but very similar metrics to you (~112 head speed, I used to average 3700 RPM). I switched to a TS4 (I think a TSi4 seems like it might be ideal for you AND me) and that cut about 900 RPM off my drives. I also switched to the ProV1x Left Dash (-ProV1X) which has cut another couple hundred RPM off. The Left Dash gives me the high ball flight I like but spin more akin to an AVX (less than a traditional ProV1) and that's been really huge for me.

You might also notice a big difference in approach shots. I used to spin back wedges and even like a 9I 15 feet or so, not it's more like a one hop and stop or shorter spin back which is massive.

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On 12/10/2020 at 1:35 PM, jwlong410 said:

Out of curiosity - why do you play ProV1X? I have a very different swing but very similar metrics to you (~112 head speed, I used to average 3700 RPM). I switched to a TS4 (I think a TSi4 seems like it might be ideal for you AND me) and that cut about 900 RPM off my drives. I also switched to the ProV1x Left Dash (-ProV1X) which has cut another couple hundred RPM off. The Left Dash gives me the high ball flight I like but spin more akin to an AVX (less than a traditional ProV1) and that's been really huge for me.

You might also notice a big difference in approach shots. I used to spin back wedges and even like a 9I 15 feet or so, not it's more like a one hop and stop or shorter spin back which is massive.

Sorry for the late response. Had a lot going on at home/work in the past few weeks. I go back and forth between the Pro Vi, X, and the Bridgestone Tour B XS models. Reason being is because I have about 25 dz each and really don't shop for balls. I get the most control off the tee/woods with the Tour B, the most distance overall with the X, and the best iron/wedge control and spin from the V1's.

 

I used the Pro V1X's in my initial testing because that's what was in the trunk the days I was able to get to the range. I'll be heading to the simulators tonight for data logging, and comparisons to finish out this thread. 

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5W- Mavrik Aldila Rogue White 6S

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5-PW- Miura CB-301 🤯🤯🤯 C-Taper 120 S 

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Putters- Evnroll ER5 Hatchback Murdered

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On 12/1/2020 at 11:10 AM, Shank Aaron said:

Hi everyone. Sorry for the delay with more information. Family, work, and the holidays have temporarily derailed my plans for testing. The weather isn't helping either. I'm hoping to spend some in the sim next week, and hopefully get the TSi2 on the course as well. 

 

I HATE posting videos of myself, the last thing I want/need is to be internet famous, but heres a link to a couple slo-mo's of the Ping and the TSi2. No judgment allowed!

Ping- 

 

 

Titleist- 

 

Yup, you are right, that is exactly the kind of stress a guy needs! 🙂  Great write-ups and videos, thanks for sharing the phantom G425.  You mention that you have and play a G410.  What are the top 2-3 things that stand out as different besides sound being more pingy (something the designers at PING will no doubt love to hear)?  At first glance, it seems blockier and larger than the G410 but perhaps that's just the LST model?

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:ping-small: G410 Irons 4-UW 

:ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW   (removed from double secret probation 😍)

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Sorry, I’m going to judge your swing—I love the way you set your wrist supination so early in the backswing. 

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Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree

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As luck would have it, I had just thrown my Vessel bag of goodies in the trunk and shut it when I got a call from work with an emergency. I'll have to put off the data gathering for a week. For those who were waiting for the update, my apologies. 

17 hours ago, Hook DeLoft said:

Sorry, I’m going to judge your swing—I love the way you set your wrist supination so early in the backswing. 

I was waiting for someone to hammer me on that. It's usually a mixed bag of reactions with "you are WAAAAAY too flat on the takeaway", to "your wrists set WAAAAAY too early", or my personal favorite "You have way too good a swing to suck this bad at golf". I've been fighting setting too early and instead taking a wider back swing......and fail at it often. It does feel natural to set that early, and I feel less back pain, but it does cost me in consistency overall. 

 

19 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yup, you are right, that is exactly the kind of stress a guy needs! 🙂  Great write-ups and videos, thanks for sharing the phantom G425.  You mention that you have and play a G410.  What are the top 2-3 things that stand out as different besides sound being more pingy (something the designers at PING will no doubt love to hear)?  At first glance, it seems blockier and larger than the G410 but perhaps that's just the LST model?

Appreciate the positive comments. Apologies if I made it seem like I have and play a G410, it's typed G410 at the start of the first review, but it should read G425. I did have an SFT, but it got benched after my initial 2019 driver testing in favor of the Flash SZ, and was eventually donated to a local Jr. golfer in need. I did borrow a G410 for some comparison to the G425, though, but ran out of time with it to really get anything good. Understanding that my top 2-3 things are totally subjective, my takeaways are 1) The aforementioned sound, 2) The head looks long, or deep to me at address. Not big, or bulky, or annoyingly huge. Just long. Like someone went into cad and decided to make the teardrop just a tad bit taller. 3) It feels light to me. Definitely lighter than my Mavrik, and the TSi2. Not in the way that I feel like I'm teeing off with a Q-Tip, I can definitely feel the club throughout my swing, just lighter than I'm accustomed to. 

 

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2 hours ago, Shank Aaron said:

As luck would have it, I had just thrown my Vessel bag of goodies in the trunk and shut it when I got a call from work with an emergency. I'll have to put off the data gathering for a week. For those who were waiting for the update, my apologies. 

I was waiting for someone to hammer me on that. It's usually a mixed bag of reactions with "you are WAAAAAY too flat on the takeaway", to "your wrists set WAAAAAY too early", or my personal favorite "You have way too good a swing to suck this bad at golf". I've been fighting setting too early and instead taking a wider back swing......and fail at it often. It does feel natural to set that early, and I feel less back pain, but it does cost me in consistency overall. 

 

Appreciate the positive comments. Apologies if I made it seem like I have and play a G410, it's typed G410 at the start of the first review, but it should read G425. I did have an SFT, but it got benched after my initial 2019 driver testing in favor of the Flash SZ, and was eventually donated to a local Jr. golfer in need. I did borrow a G410 for some comparison to the G425, though, but ran out of time with it to really get anything good. Understanding that my top 2-3 things are totally subjective, my takeaways are 1) The aforementioned sound, 2) The head looks long, or deep to me at address. Not big, or bulky, or annoyingly huge. Just long. Like someone went into cad and decided to make the teardrop just a tad bit taller. 3) It feels light to me. Definitely lighter than my Mavrik, and the TSi2. Not in the way that I feel like I'm teeing off with a Q-Tip, I can definitely feel the club throughout my swing, just lighter than I'm accustomed to. 

 

That left wrist works for Dustin Johnson. Just sayin’

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Callaway Big Bertha Heavenwood

Taylormade M4 5 hybrid

Callaway Mavrik Max 6-GW (Mizuno HMB's when I'm feeling sporty)

Maltby M Series+ 54 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree

Ping Sigma 2 Anser

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I'm just noticing the concave sole on these... not something I've seen on other drivers.  Which of the three versions do you think will be the top seller?  The MAX is closest to the G410P with respect to draw/neutral/fade adjustment and would be my guess.  But I can see the LST being the weapon of choice for the low handicappers.  To be honest, I'm not sure whether I'd choose the MAX or SFT... testing is definitely needed 👍.

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:ping-small: G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w

:ping-small: G410 Irons 4-UW 

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Looks like MGS and Rick Shiels did the rest for me...

 

 

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5-PW- Miura CB-301 🤯🤯🤯 C-Taper 120 S 

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Had a chance to test the 425 LST driver and hybrids yesterday. Love the hybrid losing the turbulators and its compact head (similar to the 410), looks very nice at address. Ultimately the numbers looked too similar to my 410s to justify trying to replace them at this point.  I hadn’t  played much from ping prior to this year but more and more their clubs feel like the ones I want to test first as a benchmark. Really nice. 

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On 1/11/2021 at 2:59 PM, Shank Aaron said:

Looks like MGS and Rick Shiels did the rest for me...

 

 

Great review, thanks for sharing.  It will be interesting to see if others find the consistency to target line and small yardage spread with the G425MAX as Rick did.  That is a significant stat that does not stand out when looking at the LM numbers face value.  And how about the G30 still hanging with todays best of the best.  I would have liked to see him hit a G400MAX for comparison which, according to a LOT of players is (was) the best driver ever produced.

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:ping-small: G410 Irons 4-UW 

:ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW   (removed from double secret probation 😍)

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Great review, thanks for sharing.  It will be interesting to see if others find the consistency to target line and small yardage spread with the G425MAX as Rick did.  That is a significant stat that does not stand out when looking at the LM numbers face value.  And how about the G30 still hanging with todays best of the best.  I would have liked to see him hit a G400MAX for comparison which, according to a LOT of players is (was) the best driver ever produced.

I was honestly shocked that he sided with the Max. I know I'll never have that kind of ball flight and accuracy, I don't care what you put in my hands. I know 2 things about my golf game. 1- I MURDER doglegs with a hard right turn. 2- If you want to know where the OB is off of any tee, get out of my way, I'll show you. 

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5W- Mavrik Aldila Rogue White 6S

4H- Sub_70 939X UST Proforce V2 90X

5-PW- Miura CB-301 🤯🤯🤯 C-Taper 120 S 

Wedges- Zipcore Blackout 50/54/58

Putters- Evnroll ER5 Hatchback Murdered

Titleist Hybrid 14

Ball- Bridgestone Tour B XS

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