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I genuinely don't understand the irrational ire against W/S by some people. Like the myth of them being a "WalMart brand" - there's no truth to that yet I keep seeing people post that on forums. I think the only reason that continues is because people keep saying it... yet constantly saying something doesn't actually make it true.

Folks complain that they're irrelevant in the golf world... despite numerous awards and accolades from places like MGS. "Well they don't do anything!" W/S comes out with power holes "Those are dumb! Stupid!". W/S launches DvD "That's a dumb idea! Stupid!". W/S launches some different balls "That's dumb and dirty! Stupid!".

I will freely admit that their marketing as of late has not been good. It's too sporadic and there's no solid brand messaging that continues year after year. But you can't complain that they're a do-nothing has-been brand when they continually come out with new products. For some people, W/S is in a no-win situation. If they stand pat, they're irrelevant. If they innovate, they should stand behind their history and just release blades.

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:callaway-small: Big Bertha Mini (the :wilson_staff_small:  D7 is in time out)
:callaway-small:  GBB 3W (lofted to 4W)
:callaway-small: V-Series Heavenwood
:cobra-small: Baffler XL 5i-PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 54*
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Played this ball for my last few rounds before hanging it up for the season. I've had a spin-o-rama driver swing late in the season and not for nothing, I did find more fairways while gaming these. Ho

I too have played this ball off and on for the past month.   I haven't been able to say anything about it until now. My thoughts are very similar to Barbs.  With a couple exceptions. It s

I tend to agree with you @russtopherb - damned if you do, damned if you don't. The boxed set-Wal Mart stuff is utter nonsense and an eminently lazy take. Yeah, when PepsiCo owned Wilson they did Pepsi

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On the price: I'd put this in the same category as the Titleist CNCPT irons. OEMs have found that some people are willing to spend extra on limited run R&D projects. It's basically taking the opposite approach of Bridgestone's White Box ball testing: instead of sending them out at a discount, why not charge a premium to a buyer who simply wants something that's hard to get ahold of?

From that perspective, Wilson charging $50 for their limited run ball would likely be similar to (I imagine) Titleist charging $70 for an equivalent project.

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:callaway-small: Mavrik Sub Zero 15°, Aldila Rogue White 130 MSI 70 S
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 18.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:adams-small: XTD Proto dHy 21°, Aldila Green NV Hybrid 105 S
:Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
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5 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Wow! My OCD cleanliness gene would go into hyper-state 😆.

Me too!

3 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

$50 $44.99 usd for balls made by Foremost in Taiwan... LOL. I'd just buy the direct to consumer balls that tested well. 

I buy a dozen Pro V1's once a year or so, but if I'm going to spend up from my usual Snell MTB, it won't be $44.99 USD for a ball that looks like it was lost in a swamp for a couple years after every hole. It could be quite a while before we have ball washers again. YMMV

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5 hours ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Not for nothing, here are some pix of the ball after my last round. Didn't wash it, obviously. This is after the last 3 holes.

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mmmmmmmmmmm, patina. My wife would pay good money for that.


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42 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I will freely admit that their marketing as of late has not been good. It's too sporadic and there's no solid brand messaging that continues year after year.

Like a few days ago when they really drummed up their 'one-day sale, up to 50% off' and there were literally 7 products on sale and none of them were current-gen?

I was geared up to buy a utility iron, some wedges, maybe even some balls but my options were a $350 driver, some women's clubs, and a hat. 😑

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4-wood: :callaway-small: Mavrik Subzero (16.5*) with Aldila Rogue White 130 MSI X
2i: :srixon-small: ZX with SteelFiber i95cw Stiff
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:wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged, KBS Tour-V 110S
Hard/Fast: 4i-7i :srixon-small: ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S

50*, 54*, 60* :vokey-small: SM7 TT DG S200
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I've purchased a couple dozen of the Wilson Staff balls this year and it is a really good ball. The reason I don't buy more is because they are sold out about every time I go to buy more. I'll bet that will be the case with this ball as well.

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31 minutes ago, Shankster said:

are they really sold out already?  That is insane.

I don't think so.  They are still available here:

https://www.wilson.com/en-us/golf/balls/staff-model-r-golf-balls

 

There is an error on the website, from the product listing they have a $49.99 price; but on the specific product page for the raw ball and when added to cart they show the correct $44.99 price.

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Good points John, but if I remember correctly, they completely changed their tour ball for the past 3 editions.

I think a little consistency in the ball would help sales even more, the FG Tour’s were great balls.  Just my 2 cents.... that 2015 FG tour ball.. 💵 

If you look at the top sellers, they change very little year to year... again, I might be missing something.

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I'm not hating on Wilson and I genuinely want them to be a relevant force in golf again. BUT, of all the people here reading and defending them, how many are actually using their products? I don't just mean trying a sleeve of balls, I mean constantly in the bag? Is there literally anyone on this forum playing a Cortex driver? Anyone with a Wilson fairway wood or even putter? I bet there's only a small handful of iron sets in play on this forum. 

My point is that there's nothing exciting about the Wilson brand and the stuff they come out with. Blame marketing or whatever but if you have ZERO wow factor and your clubs are just OK, you're never going to sell anything at the same price as the leaders of the industry. 

Take a page out of Cobras book. Innovate and charge a little less so that people buy your product and try it to see it perform. Build on that base and performance and start to ask more of a premium as you convince people it performs on par with everything else.  

Wilson as a company is BORING and needs a youthful and innovative charge. Even their website is one of the worst sites I've ever seen as it tells you nothing about the product and they give you zero fitting or demo options for anything in stores. 

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31 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

I'm not hating on Wilson and I genuinely want them to be a relevant force in golf again. BUT, of all the people here reading and defending them, how many are actually using their products? I don't just mean trying a sleeve of balls, I mean constantly in the bag? Is there literally anyone on this forum playing a Cortex driver? Anyone with a Wilson fairway wood or even putter? I bet there's only a small handful of iron sets in play on this forum. 

My point is that there's nothing exciting about the Wilson brand and the stuff they come out with. Blame marketing or whatever but if you have ZERO wow factor and your clubs are just OK, you're never going to sell anything at the same price as the leaders of the industry. 

Take a page out of Cobras book. Innovate and charge a little less so that people buy your product and try it to see it perform. Build on that base and performance and start to ask more of a premium as you convince people it performs on par with everything else.  

Wilson as a company is BORING and needs a youthful and innovative charge. Even their website is one of the worst sites I've ever seen as it tells you nothing about the product and they give you zero fitting or demo options for anything in stores. 

I see your point, but I’d actually like to see them continue down the “boring” road.  Bring out some more throwback style irons, wedges, bags, etc.

Marketing wise, yes, perhaps they could do a little more. 
 

I don’t have any Wilson clubs in the bag, but there very well could be in the near future. Those v6’s were amazing, so I image the new CB’s are well.  It’s too bad they couldn’t get a guy like Brooksie to join Gary... they would be something.

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8 minutes ago, Shankster said:

I see your point, but I’d actually like to see them continue down the “boring” road.  Bring out some more throwback style irons, wedges, bags, etc.

Marketing wise, yes, perhaps they could do a little more. 
 

I don’t have any Wilson clubs in the bag, but there very well could be in the near future. Those v6’s were amazing, so I image the new CB’s are well.  It’s too bad they couldn’t get a guy like Brooksie to join Gary... they would be something.

Not being presumptuous but are you older in age? I'm 38 and mainly remember wilson in the early 90s with stuff like the invex driver, firestick shafts and eventually the fat shaft stuff. There's zero "throwback" stuff that interests me. All of the much older irons from the 70s etc are tiny, offer no tech and no one can realistically play them now. Definitely don't want any throwback persimmon wood tech. 

They even designed a driver specifically for Gary Woodland and he ditched it after one tournament. That being said I think it looks amazing and I want to hit it 😁 

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1 minute ago, 03trdblack said:

Not being presumptuous but are you older in age? I'm 38 and mainly remember wilson in the early 90s with stuff like the invex driver, firestick shafts and eventually the fat shaft stuff. There's zero "throwback" stuff that interests me. All of the much older irons from the 70s etc are tiny, offer no tech and no one can realistically play them now. Definitely don't want any throwback woods. 

They even designed a driver specifically for Gary Woodland and he ditched it after one tournament. That being said I think it looks amazing and I want to hit it 😁 

I’m 37.  I grew up in the Tiger Boom too.  Yea, all of that weird Wilson stuff... I remember that all, but I also remember all of the old blades. Had a set. 

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40 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

Take a page out of Cobras book. Innovate and charge a little less so that people buy your product and try it to see it perform. Build on that base and performance and start to ask more of a premium as you convince people it performs on par with everything else.  

You mean they should have a Wilson Challenge?  I agree 👍.  Maybe concurrent to the Cobra Connect Challenge and then a playoff between the two winners 🤩.

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3 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

You mean they should have a Wilson Challenge?  I agree 👍.  Maybe concurrent to the Cobra Connect Challenge and then a playoff between the two winners 🤩.

Count me in! 

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20 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

The only Wilson irons that I was ever interested in was the Wilson Staff RM forged... 

I may even grab a set now to scratch that itch from 1996 😊

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That’s how I feel about the 975 driver... keep eyeing them

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I currently don't have Wilsons in play but I have played their products up until this year. I have 3 or 4 sets of their irons, driver, woods, and hybrids. I always played what worked for me. I have tried and still own Cobra, TaylorMade, Callaway and others. The Wilson's  just worked for me. If I wasn't selected for the Sub 70 testing I still would have Wilson's in the bag and maybe even a new set of the forged irons.  Did Wilson fall off of the revelent market for a while, sure. Did they try to make a comeback, yes. Are they making progress yes.  Look at Nike. What happend to their equipment lines. Came in like a Tiger (pun intended) went out as quick as it came in.  I would say a lot of the OEM's have had their ups and downs over the last 20 years. 

But I will say I enjoyed the Driver versus Driver series. Watching the process was interesting. Were the drivers the best, not so much. But it brought an innovative approach to the brand that needed a jump start again. We all got to see the process and some of the science behind it all. Wish they would do it again.

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:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR  HL 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

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:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:Sub70:  JB Wedge 56*

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1 hour ago, 03trdblack said:

I'm not hating on Wilson and I genuinely want them to be a relevant force in golf again. BUT, of all the people here reading and defending them, how many are actually using their products? I don't just mean trying a sleeve of balls, I mean constantly in the bag? Is there literally anyone on this forum playing a Cortex driver? Anyone with a Wilson fairway wood or even putter? I bet there's only a small handful of iron sets in play on this forum. 

My point is that there's nothing exciting about the Wilson brand and the stuff they come out with. Blame marketing or whatever but if you have ZERO wow factor and your clubs are just OK, you're never going to sell anything at the same price as the leaders of the industry. 

Take a page out of Cobras book. Innovate and charge a little less so that people buy your product and try it to see it perform. Build on that base and performance and start to ask more of a premium as you convince people it performs on par with everything else.  

Wilson as a company is BORING and needs a youthful and innovative charge. Even their website is one of the worst sites I've ever seen as it tells you nothing about the product and they give you zero fitting or demo options for anything in stores. 

I'd be willing to bet the percentage of people on this or any forum gaming Wilson gear is about the same as the company's overall market share in the industry - a little less than 3% in irons, "other" in drivers and putters and low in balls. I'm not sure that's an indictment of Wilson rather than a reflection of the industry reality. And a business reality is market shares don't shift much in the short term, especially if the market leaders stay consistent. I'm not sure that's an indictment of Wilson products, or the company, for that matter. The golf world is filled with really good products that have very small market shares - sometimes by circumstance, sometimes by design. After all, Guerin Rife and David Edel make DANDY putters, but their overall market share is dwarfed by Odyssey, PING, TaylorMade and Titleist. Hell, I'd venture to guess Cleveland sells more putters than EVNROLL and Edel put together. 

As far as performance goes, it's important to know what we're talking about and to deal in facts rather than platitudes. 

The Wilson D7 Forged takes MGS's Most Wanted Players Distance Irons for 2020 - arguably the category with the most innovative tech. They're selling for $899 a set. Cobra KING Forged Tec - a top performer but 3rd overall - $1,099 a set. Modern math tells us that's a difference of $200.

Wilson Infinite "L" Putter - first runner up in 2020 Most Wanted Mallet putters, also named Best Value -- $99.99. Odyssey Triple Track won, and costs $249.99. 

 Wilson D7 driver - in 2020 Most Wanted Overall, finished 9th in carry distance, 10th in total distance and 4th in shot area. For Mid Swing Speeds it finished 2nd overall and was named best value at $299. What beat it out? the Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - originally priced at $449 but is now being discounted because Cobra has 1 year cycles on its drivers, while Wilson has 2 year cycles. Oh yeah, the D7 is at the end of its two year run, and is currently discounted to $249.

We can go back further and see excellent results for the D300, D200 and even the D100 drivers - all excellent performers and priced below the market leaders.

But yeah, innovate and charge a little less.

Look, Challenger brands are in a tough spot. In drivers they're fighting for a seat at a table where there are more butts than there are chairs for them. The Big 5 sell 9 out of every 10 drivers sold. That means everyone else is fighting for what's left. None of them - and I mean none of them - think they're going to challenge Callaway or TaylorMade. They just want reasonable growth. Look at it this way - say Wilson sells 10,000 drivers a year (I'm making the number up, I have no idea what they sell). If they suddenly sell 11,000 - that's 10% growth. I don't care who you are, you take it and try to sell 12,100 the next year. The point is - growth is hard, and its important for that growth to be profitable or else what's the point?

I get it - preconceptions are hard to let go of, and generalizations are easy. And being a challenger brand is hard - size limits what you can really do and the Big 5 don't make it any easier. They have the money and power to dominate retail space. And I know it's popular to blast The Big 5 for their marketing, the bottom line is they spend big bucks on marketing because a: they can, and b: it works. 

 

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Driver:  Sub 70 639D - 9.5; :cleveland-small: Launcher HB Turbo; :mizuno-small: ST 190 
FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
Irons::wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged; :benhogan-small:PTx Pro, :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; :wilson_staff_small: Progressives (circa 1993)

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
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