cciciora13 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I was wondering what the difference is between a single bend no offset putter shaft and a double bend offset shaft? How would one determine which is better for them given their putting stroke ect. I've tried googling it and I still couldn't wrap my head around it. Rickp 1 Quote In my bag: Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 10.5* Stiff Mitsubishi tensei blue Stiff 3 Wood: 939 x 15 deg. UST Proforce Black V2 7F4 stiff Hybrid: 939x Hybrid UST 680 recoil shaft stiff Irons: 699 irons 4-PW KBS tour 90 v Stiff 50 Deg: TAIII Satin 54 deg: TAIII Satin 58 Deg: TAIII Satin Putter: 004 Single Bend Masters Edition Rangefinder: Caddytek V2 Check out my MyGolfSpy 2020 Forum Official Tester: Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, cciciora13 said: I was wondering what the difference is between a single bend no offset putter shaft and a double bend offset shaft? How would one determine which is better for them given their putting stroke ect. I've tried googling it and I still couldn't wrap my head around it. Single bend shafts typically come straight up and then bend at the desired lie angle. You can't turn them to create offset or the shaft would point backwards. These shafts generally result in toe hang. If you want offset, you generally have a plumbers neck or pipe neck with a straight shaft. If you want to change the toe hang you make the rise of the single bend, plumbers neck, or pipe neck longer or shorter. Double bend shafts have multiple bends to provide offset and generally a used to make a face balanced putter. There are also triple bend shafts Generally they are not interchangeable since the bore or stub would be at different angles. To figure out which is better, you try the different putters Rickp, cciciora13 and aerospace_ray 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Larryd3 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 The way I learned about them and what's best for me was during a putter fitting on a SAM lab at Club Champion. Well worth the cost. Quote TM Sim2 Max 10.5 Ping G410 5 wood Ping G410 7 & 9 woods PXG Gen 5 0311P 5-gap PXG forged 54 & 58 wedges PXG Operator H w/ BGT Stability shaft Link to comment
gman8966 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 The bends also make the putter release differently. Best way is to get fitted where you can try out all different styles. Larryd3 1 Quote I'm a hockey player playing golf today. TSR3, Ventus Blue Velocore 7X JPX 921 Tour Irons Evnroll EV5.1 ProV1x Link to comment
ZenGolfer Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Personal preference. Nothing more. Some people like no offset, some do. Its all what you like. Kansas King 1 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, BadgerGolfer said: Personal preference. Nothing more. Some people like no offset, some do. Its all what you like. Stroke analysis will show a different story. Putters with offset tend to swing closed to the putters path and putters with no offset tend to swing open to the path. Larryd3 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
ZenGolfer Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 6:17 PM, cnosil said: Stroke analysis will show a different story. Putters with offset tend to swing closed to the putters path and putters with no offset tend to swing open to the path. Well, opinions certainly vary on that. IMO, the concept of a release in a putting stroke is largely a feel thing. There is really no release in putting and if you try to, youre going to get flippy with your putter. Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment
cnosil Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, BadgerGolfer said: Well, opinions certainly vary on that. IMO, the concept of a release in a putting stroke is largely a feel thing. There is really no release in putting and if you try to, youre going to get flippy with your putter. Releasing a putter is a feel and how you utilize your power source. There can be a release; Tiger for example releases the head to feel like he is hooking putts. Rory tends to hold the face open. But you were commenting about offset; offset impacts how the putter moves along the putters arc. This can be seen when looking at data captured by puttlab. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Larryd3 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 5:56 PM, BadgerGolfer said: Personal preference. Nothing more. Some people like no offset, some do. Its all what you like. I'm going to disagree on this. I thought the same until I had my putter fitting and really learned about my stroke and what type of toe hang, etc is best for me. Made a huge difference in my putting once I got the new putter. It's been in my bag for 2 years now and I haven't even looked at others which for me is really unusual. I used to think a center shafted and/or face balanced putter was best but turns out I need some toe hang so heal shafted is most effective for me. But ultimately use whatever you feel comfortable with and make putts with if that works for you. cnosil 1 Quote TM Sim2 Max 10.5 Ping G410 5 wood Ping G410 7 & 9 woods PXG Gen 5 0311P 5-gap PXG forged 54 & 58 wedges PXG Operator H w/ BGT Stability shaft Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Let’s all be honest. What everyone needs is a LAB with a BGT stability shaft. LeftyMatt89 and dlow206 2 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
cnosil Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Let’s all be honest. What everyone needs is a LAB with a BGT stability shaft. No, not really. I have a stability shaft in I one of my putters. It was an experiment and wouldn’t do it again. I have tried a LAB putter and it was okay. I’d put one in the bag but don’t think it fits everyone. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, cnosil said: No, not really. I have a stability shaft in I one of my putters. It was an experiment and wouldn’t do it again. I have tried a LAB putter and it was okay. I’d put one in the bag but don’t think it fits everyone. agree on that stand point. With all the LAB hype figured I'd add a plug. I was close to pulling the trigger and now have had my two best putting nines in a row. Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
LeftyMatt89 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I’ve been a fan of stability shaft. I liked it so much I put it in my new refinished 2.5. I figure I want to eliminate as many potential variables as possible in my putting. Quote Driver: TSR3 8 Ventus Red TR 8X Fairway: TSi2 16.5 Ventus Blue 8X Hybrid: Sim 2 - 19 Hybrid Tensei Orange 90TX Irons: P790 4-5 P7MC Raw 6-PW MMT 125TX Wedges: SM8 50.10F, 54.10S - X100 & 58.04T S400 Putter: Lajosi DD201 Pro V1X Left Dash Link to comment
dlow206 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 7:40 AM, rbsiedsc said: Let’s all be honest. What everyone needs is a LAB with a BGT stability shaft. Its going out of favor for me. It puts such a nice roll on the ball, but I have no sense of distance control with it. I blast almost everything way past the hole. Maybe its user error, but don't have that bad of distance control with any other putter i own. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
cnosil Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 hours ago, dlow206 said: Its going out of favor for me. It puts such a nice roll on the ball, but I have no sense of distance control with it. I blast almost everything way past the hole. Maybe its user error, but don't have that bad of distance control with any other putter i own. I think it is user error . I have one in my gamer and really see no different between it and a regular shaft. If I were to get on a puttlab/capto/Quintic and dive down into the swing numbers there may be a difference. I just don't think it is worth the cost. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: I think it is user error . I have one in my gamer and really see no different between it and a regular shaft. If I were to get on a puttlab/capto/Quintic and dive down into the swing numbers there may be a difference. I just don't think it is worth the cost. Sorry, i was referring to the DF 2.1, not the Stability shaft. cnosil 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
cnosil Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: Sorry, i was referring to the DF 2.1, not the Stability shaft. That is probably just a practice thing. Need to get used to how hot the ball is off the face. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
HDTVMAN Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I see you're located in Chicago and have a Bettinardi putter. I don't know if you were fitted or bought your putter off-the-rack, but I would call Bettinardi, who is in Chicago, and make an appointment for a fitting to be sure your putter spec's are correct for you. There may be a small charge, but it is worth it. There is no charge if you purchase a new putter. I have a QB6 & BB56 and was fitted at Bettinardi's Studio B, and as a fitter who has used SAM, their system is far superior and the experience was just fantastic. When you leave you will know exactly which putter and shaft fit you the best. Quote Certified Club Fitter. Ping G425 Max Driver 10.5° w/Fujikura Ventus TR Ping G425 Max 5-7-9 Fairway Woods w/Ping Alta CB Ping G425 Irons 5-U w/Ping Alta CB (Power-Spec Lofts) Ping 4.0 Eye2 Glide Wedges 54°-58° w/Recoil SmacWrap Ping Redwood ZB Putter w/PP58 PING Pioneer Cart Bag Lamkin Sonar+ Wrap Mid-Size Grips Link to comment
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