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I was wondering what the difference is between a single bend no offset putter shaft and a double bend offset shaft? How would one determine which is better for them given their putting stroke ect. I've tried googling it and I still couldn't wrap my head around it.

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38 minutes ago, cciciora13 said:

I was wondering what the difference is between a single bend no offset putter shaft and a double bend offset shaft? How would one determine which is better for them given their putting stroke ect. I've tried googling it and I still couldn't wrap my head around it.

Single bend shafts typically come straight up and then bend at the desired lie angle.  You can't turn them to create offset or the shaft would point backwards.  These shafts generally result in toe hang.   If you want offset,  you generally have a plumbers neck or pipe neck with a straight shaft.   If you want to change the toe hang you make the rise of the single bend, plumbers neck, or pipe neck longer or shorter.  

Double bend shafts have multiple bends to provide offset and generally a used to make a face balanced putter.  

There are also triple bend shafts 🙂 

Generally they are not interchangeable since the bore or stub would be at different angles.    

 

To figure out which is better,  you try the different putters 🙂 

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Personal preference.  Nothing more.  Some people like no offset, some do.  Its all what you like.

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20 minutes ago, BadgerGolfer said:

Personal preference.  Nothing more.  Some people like no offset, some do.  Its all what you like.

Stroke analysis will show a different story.    Putters with offset tend to swing closed to the putters path and putters with no offset tend to swing open to the path.  

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On 11/29/2020 at 6:17 PM, cnosil said:

Stroke analysis will show a different story.    Putters with offset tend to swing closed to the putters path and putters with no offset tend to swing open to the path.  

Well, opinions certainly vary on that.  IMO, the concept of a release in a putting stroke is largely a feel thing.  There is really no release in putting and if you try to, youre going to get flippy with your putter.

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40 minutes ago, BadgerGolfer said:

Well, opinions certainly vary on that.  IMO, the concept of a release in a putting stroke is largely a feel thing.  There is really no release in putting and if you try to, youre going to get flippy with your putter.

Releasing a putter is a feel and how you utilize your power source.  There can be a release;  Tiger for example releases the head to feel like he is hooking putts.  Rory tends to hold the face open.   But you were commenting about offset;  offset impacts how the putter moves along the putters arc.  This can be seen when looking at data captured by puttlab.  

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On 11/29/2020 at 5:56 PM, BadgerGolfer said:

Personal preference.  Nothing more.  Some people like no offset, some do.  Its all what you like.

I'm going to disagree on this.  I thought the same until I had my putter fitting and really learned about my stroke and what type of toe hang, etc is best for me.  Made a huge difference in my putting once I got the new putter.  It's been in my bag for 2 years now and I haven't even looked at others which for me is really unusual.  I used to think a center shafted and/or face balanced putter was best but turns out I need some toe hang so heal shafted is most effective for me.  But ultimately use whatever you feel comfortable with and make putts with if that works for you.  

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Let’s all be honest. What everyone needs is a LAB with a BGT stability shaft. 😆

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Let’s all be honest. What everyone needs is a LAB with a BGT stability shaft.

No, not really. I have a stability shaft in I one of my putters. It was an experiment and wouldn’t do it again. I have tried a LAB putter and it was okay. I’d put one in the bag but don’t think it fits everyone.

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1 minute ago, cnosil said:


No, not really. I have a stability shaft in I one of my putters. It was an experiment and wouldn’t do it again. I have tried a LAB putter and it was okay. I’d put one in the bag but don’t think it fits everyone.

agree on that stand point. With all the LAB hype figured I'd add a plug. I was close to pulling the trigger and now have had my two best putting nines in a row. 

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I’ve been a fan of stability shaft. I liked it so much I put it in my new refinished 2.5. I figure I want to eliminate as many potential variables as possible in my putting. 

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On 12/1/2020 at 7:40 AM, rbsiedsc said:

Let’s all be honest. What everyone needs is a LAB with a BGT stability shaft. 😆

Its going out of favor for me. It puts such a nice roll on the ball, but I have no sense of distance control with it. I blast almost everything way past the hole. Maybe its user error, but don't have that bad of distance control with any other putter i own.

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9 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Its going out of favor for me. It puts such a nice roll on the ball, but I have no sense of distance control with it. I blast almost everything way past the hole. Maybe its user error, but don't have that bad of distance control with any other putter i own.

I think it is user error 🤣.   I have one in my gamer and really see no different between it and a regular shaft.   If I were to get on a puttlab/capto/Quintic and dive down into the swing numbers there may be a difference.  I just don't think it is worth the cost.   

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I think it is user error 🤣.   I have one in my gamer and really see no different between it and a regular shaft.   If I were to get on a puttlab/capto/Quintic and dive down into the swing numbers there may be a difference.  I just don't think it is worth the cost.   

Sorry, i was referring to the DF 2.1, not the Stability shaft.

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

Sorry, i was referring to the DF 2.1, not the Stability shaft.

That is probably just a practice thing.  Need to get used to how hot the ball is off the face.  

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I see you're located in Chicago and have a Bettinardi putter. I don't know if you were fitted or bought your putter off-the-rack, but I would call Bettinardi, who is in Chicago, and make an appointment for a fitting to be sure your putter spec's are correct for you. There may be a small charge, but it is worth it. There is no charge if you purchase a new putter.  I have a QB6 & BB56 and was fitted at Bettinardi's Studio B, and as a fitter who has used SAM, their system is far superior and the experience was just fantastic. When you leave you will know exactly which putter and shaft fit you the best.

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