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1 hour ago, chisag said:

 

... Everyone is different and confidence plays a huge role in any golf shot and club selection. I have played with golfers afraid to hit driver and when they pull it out on the back 9 or a long hole, they hit it horrendously because they have convinced themselves they can't hit it. That is completely different than what we are discussing in this thread but I had to mention it in case someone reading falls into that category.  
 

We are on the same page.   Some people really struggle with the driver, just like I do with my distance wedge game.   If a player doesn't want to play driver and instead play 3 wood, hybrid,  or even a long iron then that club should be used unless there is a reason not to hit that club. 

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This has been me the last few rounds I've played. Definitely Driver - Wedge (54/48 depending on hole yardage) - Putter. Only on longer par 5's do I use my 4i or 5i. I think I could honestly get ride of my 6, 7, 9, PW, and GW and wouldn't miss them a lick.

But to your point, I certainly shouldn't spend so much time trying to groove the clubs I don't hit often and instead should focus primarily on wedges and putting, followed distantly by driver, since I don't have to be as accurate with the driver as the other two.

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I like how the Lowest Score Wins guys lay this out with what they call "Separation Value"

https://lowestscorewins.com/separation-value

The quick idea behind it is that there are certain skills that you:
1.  Use frequently
2.  Have a big impact on Strokes Gained (usually because of a larger amount of possible outcomes)

And that you should practice these skills more often.  It's leverage.

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There is nothing I find more frustrating than not hitting driver and selecting a "safe" club off the tee and then hitting it poorly.


Amen brother: nothing makes me contemplate a club toss more than “making the smart play” and promptly snap hooking my 4 iron into Narnia.

I only wish I could remember that before I skank one off the tee.


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9 hours ago, Micah T said:


Amen brother: nothing makes me contemplate a club toss more than “making the smart play” and promptly snap hooking my 4 iron into Narnia.

I only wish I could remember that before I skank one off the tee.


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My daughter just steps up and hits driver everywhere - I sometimes need to explain to her that maybe she can't hit it into a 10 yard gap between bunkers on a long par 3 every time.  But in general, she just stands up there and swings away because the head is so big you can't miss, and it's made to get the ball off the ground, so she has zero fear of her driver, and I envy that.  Those of us who suffered through the days of wood and even the first small-headed metal drivers carry around a lot of scar tissue.  

I appreciate my 460cc Cobra F8 much more after a month of hitting a 190cc persimmon driver in the Classic Club Challenge.  If only titanium could make the same crack that well-struck persimmon makes.

One thing that Decade/LSW does is it takes doubt out of the decision-making process.  I know what I'm going to hit, and if I make a bad swing, I make a bad swing (and I can beat myself up over making a bad swing).  But I don't feel like I made the wrong decision, so I don't let that get to me.

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3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Hybrid (19*) - :taylormade-small: RBZ
4i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
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16 hours ago, Micah T said:


Amen brother: nothing makes me contemplate a club toss more than “making the smart play” and promptly snap hooking my 4 iron into Narnia.

I only wish I could remember that before I skank one off the tee.


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The thing that drives me nutz worse than the 'safe club snapper' is hitting the safe yardage club to keep from going into a hazard and I flush it & the Hand of God comes down and carries the ball 25 yards farther than I normally hit it or it bounces forever....right into the water.   😠

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Mine certainly do.  I use my driver and putter the most and probably use my 7 iron or 9 iron the most after that.

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22 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

I like how the Lowest Score Wins guys lay this out with what they call "Separation Value"

https://lowestscorewins.com/separation-value

The quick idea behind it is that there are certain skills that you:
1.  Use frequently
2.  Have a big impact on Strokes Gained (usually because of a larger amount of possible outcomes)

And that you should practice these skills more often.  It's leverage.

Wow that is awesome. Thanks for sharing the link. Makes so much sense to focus on areas that truly will lower scores. 

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4 minutes ago, LeftyMatt89 said:

Wow that is awesome. Thanks for sharing the link. Makes so much sense to focus on areas that truly will lower scores. 

Hey Matt, welcome aboard.  Hope it helps.

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3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Hybrid (19*) - :taylormade-small: RBZ
4i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
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On 11/24/2020 at 7:26 AM, HardcoreLooper said:

My daughter just steps up and hits driver everywhere - I sometimes need to explain to her that maybe she can't hit it into a 10 yard gap between bunkers on a long par 3 every time.  But in general, she just stands up there and swings away because the head is so big you can't miss, and it's made to get the ball off the ground, so she has zero fear of her driver, and I envy that.  Those of us who suffered through the days of wood and even the first small-headed metal drivers carry around a lot of scar tissue.  

I appreciate my 460cc Cobra F8 much more after a month of hitting a 190cc persimmon driver in the Classic Club Challenge.  If only titanium could make the same crack that well-struck persimmon makes.

One thing that Decade/LSW does is it takes doubt out of the decision-making process.  I know what I'm going to hit, and if I make a bad swing, I make a bad swing (and I can beat myself up over making a bad swing).  But I don't feel like I made the wrong decision, so I don't let that get to me.

Scott Fawcett would probably say if you need to hit driver on par 3s that you should be hitting it everywhere because you won't hit it far enough to go OB (and you don't want to hit driver from the fairway after you layup off the tee). I only say this because my wife says the same thing... Then will randomly decide not to hit a driver on a 150 yard par 3, which is how far she hits her driver (or less). 

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9 hours ago, BMart519 said:

Scott Fawcett would probably say if you need to hit driver on par 3s that you should be hitting it everywhere because you won't hit it far enough to go OB (and you don't want to hit driver from the fairway after you layup off the tee). I only say this because my wife says the same thing... Then will randomly decide not to hit a driver on a 150 yard par 3, which is how far she hits her driver (or less). 

Our bunkers are atrocious right now.  They don't drain well as it is, and since COVID hit, they basically stopped maintaining them.  So they're either wet, or rock hard.  Bad news.  She's either leaving it in the bunker or bouncing the club off the sand and blading it 30 yards over the green.  Otherwise I'd have her try to thread the needle.

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4i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
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Golf is putter, wedge, driver. That's mostly what you need to practice.

And with the putter, dont be too fooled by the percentage of strokes. People say "Oh you hit driver 14 times and putt 34 times, which is more important." Well, I am not going to dismiss the value of the putter but all 14 of those drivers really have a huge impact on your score. Of those 34 putts, how many are tap-ins that you probably picked up anyway? How many are over 15 feet where your expectation is to 2 putt and you did? What you really need to practice is that 4 ft - 12 ft range where you can really make birdies and save pars, or bogeys. Those are your 20 or so crucial putts. 

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totally concur.

putter is most, as people have to use it almost twice every hole...

all the while wishing it would only have to be used once per hole...

Driver is used 14 times.   5 wood used as 2nd shot on par 5's and long par 4's.

52* wedge is most used, followed by normal wedge.

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This certainly applies to me also. I'm so bad with my irons lately that my wedges are probably my most played irons.  

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This is interesting.  I do not track how many times I use each club but thinking about it probably would be my driver, putter and wedges.  I think the wedges get used so much since I tend not to hit a ton of greens in reg.  That leads to all those short wedge shots around the green.

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For me it is my Driver, 3W, Putter, wedges next.  I may change my practice for sure.  

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The stat makes perfect sense, and I think its importance is based on the gear golfers pay attention to and get fit for. While nearly all golfers love the big dog and plenty will schedule a fitting, the majority place less importance on selecting the right putter or wedges - especially wedges. 

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Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
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Ooh, very interesting! I took my last 50 rounds (many of those are 9-hole)

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While the 50-degree was down the list a ways, if you just use the metric of "wedges" then yes, I've got 70% of my shots with 5 clubs. This tells me that in both my practice and in my fitting, I need to make sure these clubs are spot-on. (Though the fact that I'm as likely to hit a 5-iron as a 50-degree wedge is interesting...) On the other extreme, I've always been frustrated by the 'hole' in the top end of my bag. Sometimes carrying 3-iron, sometimes 2-hybrid (which I haven't used at all in the last 50 rounds). I geared down from 3-wood to 4-wood to try and help and as you can see, I've leaned on it a fair bit, which is helping, especially on the courses I play that often have elevated greens more suitable for a wood than long iron.

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On 11/24/2020 at 4:07 PM, Shapotomous said:

The thing that drives me nutz worse than the 'safe club snapper' is hitting the safe yardage club to keep from going into a hazard and I flush it & the Hand of God comes down and carries the ball 25 yards farther than I normally hit it or it bounces forever....right into the water.   😠

The approach to 18 at my home course is like this. The smart play is take an extra club and let the elevated green the slopes back-to-front do its magic. And the last two times I have done this, I've absolutely flushed it and flown the green entirely, a distance that Arccos categorizes as beyond my 'smart range.'

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5-wood: :cobra-small: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S
2i: :srixon-small: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff
Wet/Soft: 3i-PW
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Hard/Fast: 4i-7i :srixon-small: ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S

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Putter: :cleveland-small: HB Soft Premier 11s

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Using :ShotScope: to keep track of my shots
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I was going to say it would depend on the course, but now that I think about it, i don't think it matters. Having to play longer approaches will typically mean more greenside wedge shots. So I think it kind of balances out regardless. Only thing I can see changing is possibly the driver to another preferred tee club.

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