pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Hello everyone, so i got fit for a driver, and i am a very tactile person. With this amazing sport of golf everything matters, touch, feel, sound etc....so after trying 6 different drivers it came down to two. Callaway maverick max 66g stiff and ping g410 plus 75g stiff. The maverick i hit longer but less accurate than the g410plus. It was a little more erratic, but more yards is what we all want, right?....do you go for the longer club, struggle and try to get more accurate? Or do you take the more accurate and try to make it go farther? Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster 33,040 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 What was the difference in distance? If it is 5 yards, take the accuracy all day. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC 22,336 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Same here, it the distance is nominal I'd take the closer dispersion. I just went through that this past summer with iron fittings - ended up with the irons that gave me more accurate shots. On the other hand if you're getting 20+ more yards, well.......Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy 4 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra King F-9 5 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X And Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Shankster said: What was the difference in distance? If it is 5 yards, take the accuracy all day. On average it was 10-15 yards but accuracy was an issue because the misses on the callaway were worse and the ping g410 it was more manageable. Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot 17,425 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'm with @Shanksterand @tony@CIC, unless your consistently seeing 20+ yards, definitely accuracy. Did your fitter discuss shaft length and more specifically using a shorter one? 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: I'm with @Shanksterand @tony@CIC, unless your consistently seeing 20+ yards, definitely accuracy. Did your fitter discuss shaft length and more specifically using a shorter one? No we didnt go over length, we did shaft weight, and driver heads. This was the first pro shop i liked in the time i have been playing golf. He did my irons and i have been happy with them. Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot 17,425 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Club shaft length, and more specifically the discussion that they are too long for most players, has my attention. Admittedly much of this has come from my recent reading of Tom Wishon's book but also from discussions on this forum. That the majority of professional tour players are using shorter driver lengths speaks volumes. They seem to know that the extra 5-7 yards isn't worth the trade for hitting from the rough or in the tree lines. My current experiment choking down on my standard length G410P is yielding positive results; more FIR's and lower scores. 5 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Club shaft length, and more specifically the discussion that they are too long for most players, has my attention. Admittedly much of this has come from my recent reading of Tom Wishon's book but also from discussions on this forum. That the majority of professional tour players are using shorter driver lengths speaks volumes. They seem to know that the extra 5-7 yards isn't worth the trade for hitting from the rough or in the tree lines. My current experiment choking down on my standard length G410P is yielding positive results; more FIR's and lower scores. How much are you choking down on it? Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster 33,040 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 How big was the miss? 10-15 isn’t something to leave on the table... but if that extra 10-15 puts you behind a large oak tree 15 yards deep in the rough... that’s an extra iron or not into the green on well struck shots. Being a terrible driver myself both accuracy and distance wise this year I would choose to be in the fairway and have an extra club into the green. My iron play according to arcos sucks, but I don’t think it represents my actual game... it has my driving as a +1 right now I think and my irons at -11.5... not seeing this myself. Ultimately, the choice is yours. But I would see if you can’t find some sort of middle ground with the Mavrik and a different shaft possibly? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot 17,425 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, pasta said: How much are you choking down on it? About 3/4". When you watch both men and women tour pros, it is very common to see them choked down on clubs. This makes me wonder if they're shaft lengths are the newer standards or not? 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shankster said: How big was the miss? 10-15 isn’t something to leave on the table... but if that extra 10-15 puts you behind a large oak tree 15 yards deep in the rough... that’s an extra iron or not into the green on well struck shots. Being a terrible driver myself both accuracy and distance wise this year I would choose to be in the fairway and have an extra club into the green. My iron play according to arcos sucks, but I don’t think it represents my actual game... it has my driving as a +1 right now I think and my irons at -11.5... not seeing this myself. Ultimately, the choice is yours. But I would see if you can’t find some sort of middle ground with the Mavrik and a different shaft possibly? With the maverick i didnt hit any down the middle even with a fade or draw. The ping felt more solid. I did try the maverick with different shafts and it didnt help with the erratic dispersion. I had an taylormade r1 up until 2 years ago and i got rid of it because no matter what i did i couldnt keep it on the fairway. I havent used a driver in that time, im trying to lower my score and give myself better scoring opportunities. 1 Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster 33,040 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Well, from that I would pick the PING all day long. I had a G and it was the most accurate driver I’ve ever played. Sold it like an idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot 17,425 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Shankster said: Sold it like an idiot. If we all had a $1 for each time we've heard this . We are the fish and the OEM market groups the fishermen. The elixir that is distance is their crankbait... or the perfect dry fly. 2 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Shankster said: Well, from that I would pick the PING all day long. I had a G and it was the most accurate driver I’ve ever played. Sold it like an idiot. I never really gave ping a thought because i really dont like the feel of their irons even when it was flush. But their driver is winning this battle, the only thing that i dont like are the speed bumps in top but that is not a deal breaker. 1 Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: About 3/4". When you watch both men and women tour pros, it is very common to see them choked down on clubs. This makes me wonder if they're shaft lengths are the newer standards or not? No matter which one i get i will try this, its a great idea because i dont believe he is doing anything with length. Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut 8,221 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I would go with the Ping. You will eventually hit it further. The only Ping I have in the bag is the driver. Best I have hit to date. I have the G400 and I hit this longer and straighter than many others that I have played. Accuracy matters. 3 Quote Driver, TSi1 10* Stiff Flex 3 Wood, SLDR HL 17* R Flex 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex 939x 5 hybrid Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (6 - AW) JB Wedge 56* Wedge, CBX 60* Putter, Marksman Fang 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH 8,306 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'm with Tom. I also game a G400 (and it's also the only Ping I have in my bag). I tend to keep this one in the fairway far more often than I do with other drivers I've used or tried out. 3 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at N) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*)-- Mitishibishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: M6 19* and 24* -- Fujikura Atmos R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBSTour Graphite 70g shafts R +1/2 inch 3* up Wedges: CBX2 52*, 56* and 60* True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge shaft Putter: Stroke Lab 7S Ball: Maxfli TourX My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster 33,040 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, pasta said: I never really gave ping a thought because i really dont like the feel of their irons even when it was flush. But their driver is winning this battle, the only thing that i dont like are the speed bumps in top but that is not a deal breaker. I would agree. The irons are an acquired taste. I generally dislike callaway, but hit a Mavrik myself recently. I was impressed, but I just can’t get over my aversion towards their brand... it goes way back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH 8,306 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 One other comment regarding your two choices. Try different stock shafts with each driver. The correct shaft for your swing coupled with the head will be much more telling. You have almost 10 grams difference in shaft weight between the 2. That can make a difference in the quality of your strike. 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at N) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*)-- Mitishibishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: M6 19* and 24* -- Fujikura Atmos R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBSTour Graphite 70g shafts R +1/2 inch 3* up Wedges: CBX2 52*, 56* and 60* True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge shaft Putter: Stroke Lab 7S Ball: Maxfli TourX My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasta 21 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, CarlH said: One other comment regarding your two choices. Try different stock shafts with each driver. The correct shaft for your swing coupled with the head will be much more telling. You have almost 10 grams difference in shaft weight between the 2. That can make a difference in the quality of your strike. We did 5 different driver heads and started eliminating based on my feedback and the actually hit. Then between the those two we played with different weight shafts. It felt more solid with the ping and more controlled. I do have a fast transition from backswing to downswing. 1 Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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