Shankster 26,359 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 PING. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenGolfer 807 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Id go for the more accurate one. You can always swing a bit harder and get a few more yards out of it if accuracy isnt a concern. If youre spraying it all over the place, distance doesnt really matter unless its 50 yards longer. 1 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Irons: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 21* and Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 Blue Ion 54* Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to post Share on other sites
CarlH 5,325 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Long and wrong isn't conducive to good scores. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9 degree Alta CB55 Stiff shaft Hybrids: M4 3W (16.5*), 5W (21*), 7W (24*), Atmos shaft R Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW KBS Tour Graphite 70g shafts R Wedges: CBX-2 52*, 56*, 60* wedges. Stock shafts. Putter: Stroke Lab 7S Ball: MTB-X My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 18,597 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I never really gave ping a thought because i really dont like the feel of their irons even when it was flush. But their driver is winning this battle, the only thing that i dont like are the speed bumps in top but that is not a deal breaker.Ping irons don't work for me, but interestingly my 410 driver always finds the fairways. My fitter did cut it down 1/2" inch. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy 1 Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver Cobra King F-9 5 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 16,820 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 For 10 yards, I'd go based on dispersion. That said, you didn't say how bad the dispersion was on the Callaway. Misses with the driver are about 60 yards wide. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: TM-180 Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Kansas King 270 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I think there are some good comments on the this thread and I myself would also lean towards tighter dispersion. However, I would also suggest thinking about which driver felt better during the swing. Was there one that you felt you could swing more controlled or swing faster while maintaining a good tempo? Both driver heads are good but getting the shaft to feel right is important as it really dictates how comfortable you feel with the club. The other thing to keep in mind is that you will adjust to your driver over time. So the dispersion and distance numbers on a launch monitor from a single session, if there aren't major differences, aren't necessarily the most telling of how you will play with the club long-term. However, if there was a big dispersion or distance disparity, I would certainly get the better performing driver. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stj51 47 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Accuracy!! The golf course rewards you for hitting fairways, more accuracy, lower scores! 2 Quote - Driver - TSi2 10 deg, -1 Length, Project X TSi Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 60 (6.0) - Fairway Wood - TSi2 3 Wood 15 deg, -½ Length, Project X TSi Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 70 (6.0) - Hybrid - TS2 Hybrid 19 deg Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 80 HYB (6.0) - Hybrid - TS2 Hybrid 23 deg Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 80 HYB (6.0) - Irons T200 (6 - W 48) True Temper AMT Black (S300) - Wedge - SM7 52.12 F Grind, True Temper Vokey Wedge (Wedge Flex) - Wedge - SM8 56.12 D Grind, True Temper Vokey Wedge (Wedge Flex) - Wedge - SM8 60.12 D Grind, True Temper Vokey Wedge (Wedge Flex) - 2020 Newport Select, Pistolini Grip, 35" - ProV1 Link to post Share on other sites
higherplane 21 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Also would go with the tighter dispersion if it exists in your stats, not net length. This is way dramatic and don't wish on anyone but: In Winter 2019 landed badly skiing, PT followed, by summer was still loosing 50-70 yards of distance, but shorter length made for better dispersion. Handicap did not get nearly the bump, 2-3 per round, proving the point that accuracy trumps distance. 1 Quote long and straight! Link to post Share on other sites
NRJyzr 575 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just as has been mentioned by others, I would take the accuracy over the extra distance. The disclaimer that should be added... I've not lacked for distance in my time playing golf, coming from a baseball background, with soccer/futbol legs and a former weightlifting habit. It's easier to give up distance when you have it. Ironically, now that I'm 57, with fun injuries added, I find myself sometimes chasing distance at the expense of accuracy. Even more ironic because it's not like I have all that much accuracy to trade. Having lived the dream, I can say it's a lot more fun to hit an extra club or even two from the fairway, or just off, than it is hitting punch 2 irons /3 irons out of the trees. I don't care how good I've gotten at a punch long iron, with all the practice I've had, it's not going to make up the difference. 2 Quote Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X, 43.5" 3w: Cobra King LTD, Matrix 8m3 X, 42" 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1-PW Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, DGS300; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S SW: Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; Golden Ram TW276, DGS; Golden Ram TW282, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 56*, DGS LW: Maltby Design 60*, 1.05 sole, DGS; Maltby Design 60* 1.05 sole, NV105 Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, or TM TP5 Link to post Share on other sites
pasta 21 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 8:27 PM, cnosil said: On 11/29/2020 at 8:27 PM, cnosil said: For 10 yards, I'd go based on dispersion. That said, you didn't say how bad the dispersion was on the Callaway. Misses with the driver are about 60 yards wide. Well it was roughly 20-30 yards more right on average, it would most likley end up in the trees where i am. I dont know if the confidence is there with the maverick because of that. Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to post Share on other sites
pasta 21 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 10:27 AM, Kansas King said: I think there are some good comments on the this thread and I myself would also lean towards tighter dispersion. However, I would also suggest thinking about which driver felt better during the swing. Was there one that you felt you could swing more controlled or swing faster while maintaining a good tempo? Both driver heads are good but getting the shaft to feel right is important as it really dictates how comfortable you feel with the club. The other thing to keep in mind is that you will adjust to your driver over time. So the dispersion and distance numbers on a launch monitor from a single session, if there aren't major differences, aren't necessarily the most telling of how you will play with the club long-term. However, if there was a big dispersion or distance disparity, I would certainly get the better performing driver. That is what i have really taken into consideration, and the ping did feel better in a tactile way. The hit felt solid and the sound was appealing. I know in time i might be ablento get comfortable with the maverick, but will it happen before i get too frustrated. That is why im going to go with the ping i believe. 1 Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 16,820 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Well it was roughly 20-30 yards more right on average, it would most likley end up in the trees where i am. I dont know if the confidence is there with the maverick because of that. More right doesnt describe the width of a dispersion pattern. A dispersion pattern has a center and goes out equally left and right. This tells you where to aim when setting up on the tee. If you are 20-30 yards more right then move your target that much left. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: TM-180 Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Nolan220 747 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 1:44 PM, fixyurdivot said: Club shaft length, and more specifically the discussion that they are too long for most players, has my attention. Admittedly much of this has come from my recent reading of Tom Wishon's book but also from discussions on this forum. That the majority of professional tour players are using shorter driver lengths speaks volumes. They seem to know that the extra 5-7 yards isn't worth the trade for hitting from the rough or in the tree lines. My current experiment choking down on my standard length G410P is yielding positive results; more FIR's and lower scores. I choke down about an inch maybe at most inch and a half .. and I been hitting the driver a lot better 1 Quote G400 SFT 10. KBS TD 50 Category 3 shaft F9 SpeedBack Black Grey Fairway Wood 5 ATMOS Tour Spec Blue 7 shaft 3 Rescue Hybrid 4 G Crossover JPX 900 Hot Metal 5 - GW OBAN CT-100 Hard Step S Shafts Glide 2.0 SS Wedges 54 & 58 TP Red White Ardmore Putter All clubs use Arccos Precision Pro NX7 range finder Link to post Share on other sites
pasta 21 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: More right doesnt describe the width of a dispersion pattern. A dispersion pattern has a center and goes out equally left and right. This tells you where to aim when setting up on the tee. If you are 20-30 yards more right then move your target that much left. The maverick was over 60 yards where as the ping i believe was around 30 on average because i wasnt missing left at all . If i remember correctly. Quote callaway rogue pw-4, +1/2 long 1/2 flat...stiff flex. Sm6 50*06, sm5 56*14, sm5 60*07...taylormade gapr lo 3 stiff set to about a 2 iron loft. im currently in the market for a driver stiff flex right habded long island, Ny roughly 27 handicap Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 16,820 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 The maverick was over 60 yards where as the ping i believe was around 30 on average because i wasnt missing left at all . If i remember correctly. Then take the ping because PGA players have about a 60 yard wide dispersion pattern. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: TM-180 Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Kansas King 270 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 12 hours ago, pasta said: That is what i have really taken into consideration, and the ping did feel better in a tactile way. The hit felt solid and the sound was appealing. I know in time i might be ablento get comfortable with the maverick, but will it happen before i get too frustrated. That is why im going to go with the ping i believe. Sounds like the Ping is the winning answer then. I'm not sure of the actual (not marketing) design differences between the Ping and the Mavrik, but Pings seem to usually be more accurate. I don't know if their designs have a different bulge and roll that leads to more accuracy or what but whatever they do works well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flip4000 50 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I went for the longest club I felt I could control. I went for a fitting and tested the sim and Mavrik SZ and the Mavrik was longer by about 10 yards carry, however I couldn't control it. The Sim was longer than my current gamer, but more accurate than the mavrik, so I went with the Sim. It's really up to the user if they are looking for yards or accuracy. It also depends on what type of courses you are playing. If they are mostly wide open then distance might be the way to go, then you carry a go to 3 wood for when you need to find the fairway. On the flipside if you play courses that require accuracy or have more trees, then it makes sense to go for accuracy. In general you can never go wrong with hitting the ball more accurately. However I have always gone with the idea of taking the longest carrying driver I felt I could control 2 Quote Right Handed Ping G410 LST 9 degree X flex ping tour shaft 75G Ping G410 3 wood 14.5 X flex Evenflow black 85G Taylormade Gapr low 19 degree X flex KBS hybrid 80G Titleist 714 AP2 4-9 iron +.5 length 1 degree upright S flex kbs tour 120G Vokey SM6 46 +.5 length 1 degree upright Dynamic gold S 300 Vokey SM5 50, 54, +.5 length 1 degree upright S flex kbs tour 120G Vokey SM5 58 +.5 length 1 degree upright S high rev 125G Scotty cameron newport 2.6 34 length Link to post Share on other sites
chadley300 9 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 For me, I go for the more accurate one. I noticed this year that when I can be in the fairway or close to it, my scores were lower. When I tried to hit for more distance, I was very erratic and half the time it was like taking a penalty shot (hitting back into the fairway) to get into a position to play for the green. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlexHowe 4 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 12:44 PM, fixyurdivot said: Club shaft length, and more specifically the discussion that they are too long for most players, has my attention. Admittedly much of this has come from my recent reading of Tom Wishon's book but also from discussions on this forum. That the majority of professional tour players are using shorter driver lengths speaks volumes. They seem to know that the extra 5-7 yards isn't worth the trade for hitting from the rough or in the tree lines. My current experiment choking down on my standard length G410P is yielding positive results; more FIR's and lower scores. The second time I was fitted for a driver my life (Mavrik SZ) the fitter suggested 3/4" shorter than I was currently playing. Large misses are down this year. 2 Quote 9* Mavrik Sub Zero 18*818H2 4 - PW/GW T300 52/56 SM8 60 SM7 Taylormade Spider X - Face Balanced Link to post Share on other sites
AlexHowe 4 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Flip4000 said: I went for the longest club I felt I could control. I went for a fitting and tested the sim and Mavrik SZ and the Mavrik was longer by about 10 yards carry, however I couldn't control it. The Sim was longer than my current gamer, but more accurate than the mavrik, so I went with the Sim. It's really up to the user if they are looking for yards or accuracy. It also depends on what type of courses you are playing. If they are mostly wide open then distance might be the way to go, then you carry a go to 3 wood for when you need to find the fairway. On the flipside if you play courses that require accuracy or have more trees, then it makes sense to go for accuracy. In general you can never go wrong with hitting the ball more accurately. However I have always gone with the idea of taking the longest carrying driver I felt I could control Curious, what's your usual shot shape? Interested in what control issues you had with the Mavrik. Mine is def farther off the tee but struggled with the lefts for a bit after being fitted. Quote 9* Mavrik Sub Zero 18*818H2 4 - PW/GW T300 52/56 SM8 60 SM7 Taylormade Spider X - Face Balanced Link to post Share on other sites
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