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Congrats to @blackngold_blood on being the 2021 MGS Fantasy Golf Champion. It was a honour to play this season and just a lot of fun as well! Thank you to all who participated and looking forward to next season as we all try to pull the golden ticket and title away from BNG. 
 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Hey all. If you're proposing a trade with me, please shoot me an IM on the forum and let me know one's made.  I'm not often checking the FTx site days before the event.  I saw there were two made but they don't open - which I suppose means they were retracted?  I do have it set to send emails but I'm not on that as much as the forum either 🙂.

I am probably guilty of sending some offers too.

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Alright my friends, I am a seller for these 2.


Phil Mickelson
Will Zalatoris

Make your offers.

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Last ditch effort for trades- I am looking to add Finau, Reed and/or Wolff. I am willing to part with Hovland, Berger or Cantlay depending on the offer. I will state before I value all three of my guys above a 1 for 1. Although I would prefer to hold onto Hank he and Sneds can be included. My main goal is I want 4 for this week and offers reducing me from 3 to 2 will be declined. If a trade happens that works for us (or 3 team trade) great, if not then I'll just have to hope my 3  will be good enough for a couple wins this week fingers crossed!

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9 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Last ditch effort for trades- I am looking to add Finau, Reed and/or Wolff. I am willing to part with Hovland, Berger or Cantlay depending on the offer. I will state before I value all three of my guys above a 1 for 1. Although I would prefer to hold onto Hank he and Sneds can be included. My main goal is I want 4 for this week and offers reducing me from 3 to 2 will be declined. If a trade happens that works for us (or 3 team trade) great, if not then I'll just have to hope my 3  will be good enough for a couple wins this week fingers crossed!

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Did I just see a trade got vetoed? I didn’t even know that could happen. 

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3 minutes ago, jddaigneault said:

Did I just see a trade got vetoed? I didn’t even know that could happen. 

Unfortunately. Been discussing the trade for weeks and even publicly announced it had been agreed upon prior to The Open but they think Gavin gave up and just gifted him to me. If it had been Ryan Moore for Morikawa I'd understand but this is two heavyweights. I even offered a slightly more balanced trade by including Cantlay for Scheffler but he didn't want to part with Scheffler. Hardly sounds like giving up or he would've thrown him in too.

I am glad to know the commissioners are looking out for the league and I understand what they're doing, just feels like this one was missed. The same trade was made two weeks ago but had claim budget involved. It is what it is though!

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3 minutes ago, Josh Ross said:

Unfortunately. Been discussing the trade for weeks and even publicly announced it had been agreed upon prior to The Open but they think Gavin gave up and just gifted him to me. If it had been Ryan Moore for Morikawa I'd understand but this is two heavyweights. I even offered a slightly more balanced trade by including Cantlay for Scheffler but he didn't want to part with Scheffler. Hardly sounds like giving up or he would've thrown him in too.

I am glad to know the commissioners are looking out for the league and I understand what they're doing, just feels like this one was missed. The same trade was made two weeks ago but had claim budget involved. It is what it is though!

While I would never trade Morikawa for Berger straight up, I can vouch that it was decided before the open. I tried to get Berger and GS said he was already traded just waiting for the open to finish

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Frankly, I don’t see the trade as balanced. However, there have been far more unbalanced trades that went through without protest. I understand it’s late in the game, but some of the questionable trades set the stage for the way the season unfolded. I’ve received quite a few email notifications of trades that made it feel like I had no chance to win this league because of some of the trades that go through. Either we have a metric to balance trades or we let them all happen. 

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49 minutes ago, Josh Ross said:

Unfortunately. Been discussing the trade for weeks and even publicly announced it had been agreed upon prior to The Open but they think Gavin gave up and just gifted him to me. If it had been Ryan Moore for Morikawa I'd understand but this is two heavyweights. I even offered a slightly more balanced trade by including Cantlay for Scheffler but he didn't want to part with Scheffler. Hardly sounds like giving up or he would've thrown him in too.

I am glad to know the commissioners are looking out for the league and I understand what they're doing, just feels like this one was missed. The same trade was made two weeks ago but had claim budget involved. It is what it is though!

Honestly if the trade had been made weeks ago as you discussed it would have been approved.  All four of us agreed that after Morikawa's Open win he vaulted far ahead of Berger as the number 1 in the Fed Ex Cup.  There are also only three events left and neither is playing this week or likely the Wyndham Championship.

Morikawa's win made the trade too lopsided just like an injury to either of them would have done.

All of that being said feel free revise the trade offer and we'll review again.  Just because Morikawa for Berger straight up was declined doesn't mean that all trades involving those two will be.

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21 minutes ago, Bucky CC said:

Honestly if the trade had been made weeks ago as you discussed it would have been approved.  All four of us agreed that after Morikawa's Open win he vaulted far ahead of Berger as the number 1 in the Fed Ex Cup.  There are also only three events left and neither is playing this week or likely the Wyndham Championship.

Morikawa's win made the trade too lopsided just like an injury to either of them would have done.

All of that being said feel free revise the trade offer and we'll review again.  Just because Morikawa for Berger straight up was declined doesn't mean that all trades involving those two will be.

I agree it is more uneven this week than it was before The Open but I sent undeniable proof to Undershooter that the trade was agreed upon prior to his win. The same trade was accepted and executed on July 3rd between two others in the league when Morikawa was 9th and Berger was 22nd in FedEx. This trade was accepted last week when Morikawa was 10th and Berger was 22nd. I know that the earlier one had claim budget involved but that doesn't change the fact that it was the same two players traded for each other straight up. @xOldBenKenobiX's trade chart had it dead even at the time and it's still very close.

A commissioner just today offered me Zalatoris for Oosthuizen. A player who has no value unless he wins in the next two weeks (which is incredibly unlikely and he's only finished top 10 once since The Masters) for a player who is one of the three hottest players on the planet. I guarantee if I accepted that it would've been executed within minutes. Again, I understand what you're trying to do but as was mentioned above it needs to be consistent. Much worse trades have been approved this year.

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1 hour ago, jddaigneault said:

Frankly, I don’t see the trade as balanced. However, there have been far more unbalanced trades that went through without protest. I understand it’s late in the game, but some of the questionable trades set the stage for the way the season unfolded. I’ve received quite a few email notifications of trades that made it feel like I had no chance to win this league because of some of the trades that go through. Either we have a metric to balance trades or we let them all happen. 

I agree with this on that I was surprised this was vetoed based off other trades that had happened this year. I think this trade was definitely not the most lopsided. I understand the moderators for the league have to make tough calls as the season gets closer to the end, but I wish it was a little more even on making calls throughout the season. I guess, answering my own thoughts was that some of the trades made earlier had plenty of time to play out during the rest of the season. 

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I personally don’t see that trade even close but hey that’s me. I don’t know the standings for each team honestly but I just don’t see that being an even close trade even before this week….but I’m no FG expert so for what it’s worth 

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3 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

I personally don’t see that trade even close but hey that’s me. I don’t know the standings for each team honestly but I just don’t see that being an even close trade even before this week….but I’m no FG expert so for what it’s worth 

You made the same trade a couple weeks ago though. I understand you included some claim budget but there's no real way to value that. $18 won't get you anybody decent with the claims that have been made this year.

Either way, the fact that I was offered that extremely lopsided trade earlier today by one of the commissioners makes this completely unfair. Recent play by Morikawa deemed my trade unfair because he's 21 spots ahead of Berger but he offered me an unranked golfer with no value for the guy in 9th and without a doubt one of the three hottest golfers on the planet right now. I thought nothing of it when it was offered but it's outrageous now that a much more even trade was vetoed and we all know his trade would have been executed. What changed in the couple of hours between that proposal and my trade that has been known to exist for days being accepted? Gavin is out of town with his wife and hasn't been on much or it probably would have been accepted before The Open was even finished. I sent it just after The Open started because that's what we agreed on and it was before either of us knew Collin was going to win. There is zero reason for this to be vetoed and I along with others have chimed in with many examples of why. I know nothing I say is going to change the outcome but anyone else in my shoes would feel just as cheated. 

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My two cents. If agreed upon before the open then it’s fair. Granted probably should have been accepted during the open but that is semantics

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19 minutes ago, Josh Ross said:

You made the same trade a couple weeks ago though. I understand you included some claim budget but there's no real way to value that. $18 won't get you anybody decent with the claims that have been made this year.

Either way, the fact that I was offered that extremely lopsided trade earlier today by one of the commissioners makes this completely unfair. Recent play by Morikawa deemed my trade unfair because he's 21 spots ahead of Berger but he offered me an unranked golfer with no value for the guy in 9th and without a doubt one of the three hottest golfers on the planet right now. I thought nothing of it when it was offered but it's outrageous now that a much more even trade was vetoed and we all know his trade would have been executed. What changed in the couple of hours between that proposal and my trade that has been known to exist for days being accepted? Gavin is out of town with his wife and hasn't been on much or it probably would have been accepted before The Open was even finished. I sent it just after The Open started because that's what we agreed on and it was before either of us knew Collin was going to win. There is zero reason for this to be vetoed and I along with others have chimed in with many examples of why. I know nothing I say is going to change the outcome but anyone else in my shoes would feel just as cheated. 

That is true I mean history of them is actually fairly closer looking at it, win Probably clouding my opinion. 

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Hey, I've said from the start that I appreciate them and the fact that they are looking out for the league. But someone can't offer a stupid trade and then veto a fair trade when I decline the lopsided one.

With that being said, I'm finished on the topic. I appreciate all the support and people siding with me here and in messages. Let's me know I'm not the only one that feels like I was cheated. I can do without Morikawa, it's just the lack of consistency that triggered me and the assumption that foul play was involved. I appreciate you guys running the league and as I've said multiple times I'm having a blast playing. Looking forward to the playoffs!

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Listen, I’m fine if the trade is vetoed. It’s the rest of the non-vetoed trades I take issue with. This is definitely not the most lopsided trade of the year. Some have been downright frustrating. For me the lack of consistency is the issue. The rules can’t change just because we’re up against the end of the season. 

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At least we rejuvenated the thread, there hadn't been much chatter in here lately lol.

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30 minutes ago, Josh Ross said:

You made the same trade a couple weeks ago though. I understand you included some claim budget but there's no real way to value that. $18 won't get you anybody decent with the claims that have been made this year.

Either way, the fact that I was offered that extremely lopsided trade earlier today by one of the commissioners makes this completely unfair. Recent play by Morikawa deemed my trade unfair because he's 21 spots ahead of Berger but he offered me an unranked golfer with no value for the guy in 9th and without a doubt one of the three hottest golfers on the planet right now. I thought nothing of it when it was offered but it's outrageous now that a much more even trade was vetoed and we all know his trade would have been executed. What changed in the couple of hours between that proposal and my trade that has been known to exist for days being accepted? Gavin is out of town with his wife and hasn't been on much or it probably would have been accepted before The Open was even finished. I sent it just after The Open started because that's what we agreed on and it was before either of us knew Collin was going to win. There is zero reason for this to be vetoed and I along with others have chimed in with many examples of why. I know nothing I say is going to change the outcome but anyone else in my shoes would feel just as cheated. 

"I thought nothing of it when it was offered but it's outrageous now that a much more even trade was vetoed and we all know his trade would have been executed."

I strongly disagree with your comment alleging collusion amount the commissioners.  If for some reason you would have accepted Zalatoris for Louie we would have vetoed the offer.  We had a lot of discussion over your trade and ultimately decided it was unfair due to the fact that Morikawa won the Open and is at the top of the FedEx Cup with only 3 tournaments left.

If you'd like to discuss further please feel free to reach out to one of us directly via PM or on Slack.  Continuing to argue on the forum only damages the league.

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