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I had a bad experience at Club Champion, and will never go back. I detailed that earlier, and got beat up pretty good here (though without addressing my concerns), so I won't rehash it. I will say their methodology, what I experienced and other customers described they had the exact same process, leans toward them recommending new shafts and or clubs whether they will help you or not. While some people have walked away without CC recommending new shafts or clubs, I am certain that's an exception. And their guarantee doesn't include getting your money back if the fitting doesn't provide results.

You don't have to be a scratch golfer to possibly benefit from a good fitting (there are more bad than good out there, so caveat emptor). If your swing is not repeatable - like a majority of ALL players, a fitting will make little if any difference.

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You Should Not Be Fitted

The question of whether you should be fitted leads to another: Can you repeat your swing? If the answer is "no," being fitted for clubs should not be your first priority. It's not about how your swing feels; it's about the results. If you consistently hook, slice, pop up or roll your shots, chances are you have a swing that at least reasonably repeats. If you consistently hit shots in different flight patterns--one left, the next right and not on purpose--you probably have trouble repeating your swing.

You can't fit a club around your swing if you can't repeat it consistently.

You will end up trying to fit your swing around the club. Before spending money in custom-fit golf clubs, invest in lessons from a PGA professional.

You Should Be Fitted

If you can repeat your swing, then you absolutely can benefit from being fitted. If you strike the ball too close to the heel or toe of the club, or the sole bottoms out on the heel or toe, your clubs might be too long or short for you.

The fitting process will reveal these problems, and you can have the clubs adjusted so your natural swing will regularly strike the ball on the sweet spot.

Having clubs that properly fit your swing can help correct a flaw or poor ball flight without changing your swing. Playing with the right clubs will have an immediate and profound impact on your scoring ability.

 

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1) That was not the intent at all, and I think you know that. I was pointing out how I, and other posters, assumed you were asking about yourself based on your original post. 2) Asking questions

If you look in the mirror, you will probably see the person to avoid when getting advice on fitting. All too often, we have an over-inflated opinion on our ability (sometimes under-estimation whi

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3 minutes ago, Middler said:

If your swing is not repeatable, a fitting will make little if any difference.

Unless you walk in with a set of Blueprints and handicap of 20 something... in which case I could fit you into a more favorable club 🙂.  And amazingly, peoples pride gets in the way of reality.  Best to leave that at the door when you walk in.

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23 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I think bad fitters and fitting experiences can be had anywhere.  That said, my impression is that the high volume outfits like Dicks, PGASS, Club Champion, etc. tend to be more product sales centric than most.  We really can't knock them for it as that's what pays the bills.  Simply based on the number of fittings they do, odds are more "horror stories" come from them.  If a really competent fitter is working at a facility that pushes their workforce to make sales and upcharge options, then they either do it or get replaced.  I view fitters in the same light as swing instructors - their abilities run the gamut.

Doing your homework beforehand about perspective fitters, and doing an honest assessment of yourself and your golf capabilities, will increase the odds of a favorable outcome.

Absolutely 100% agree.  Doing your homework beforehand will ALWAYS garner the type of results you're seeking. 

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I guess my optimal fitting experience would be to be fit into an attainable used set of clubs that only costs around $800 for 13 clubs that are up to 15 years old irons, new Maltby Wedges, and within 5 years of drivers, woods and hybrids. I just want to know specs and models that fit me so I can buy them, have them adjusted, and play them without having to order new equipment at new equipment prices. I am a poor man playing a rich mans game and not looking to keep up with shiny new metal when a few scratches will do the job. 

As others have said you can get a poor fitting experience from just about anywhere if you aren't up front with them about what you want.  Since you say you are fairly new to the game and don't know your swing very well, if you really want to make the investment... 

Take the time and effort to search the web and talk to local club pro's and other top players in your area looking for a fitter in your area that has a lot of good reviews and recommendations.  I really doubt this will be someone at a chain store.  It probably will take a couple months to research this.  Pay for their time to do a full bag fitting to analyze the shaft / head / loft / length / lie combo that works for you including the hybrid / long iron cutoff.   Tell them up front this is what you want and your price range for the clubs so they know what shaft / head combo's to focus on.  The fitting will probably be a multi day experience since the number of swings  / hours to hone in on an optimal combo would likely tire you out and your swing would degrade after a few hours beating balls.   Then take those numbers to search the used market for the closest match to your desired combo / price range.  

Or....Take time to study your swing carefully and honestly, recognize tendencies and shot patterns, develop feel for shape, weights and balances of clubs & flexes of shafts and what works for you by experimenting with cheaper, individual irons or drivers or hybrids.  Use different tools to determine strike patterns.  This could take a few years / decades.  😃 Use this info to get your best estimate of what you need (narrowed down to about 3 or 4 combo's) to a local trackman outlet that can swap a few heads & shafts, lengths & lie angles on a 7 iron head and driver to try out for about an hour and compare the numbers.   Then take those numbers to search the used market for your desired combo / price range.  

Take lessons and practice enough so that you have a repeatable, grooved swing that your club set up can then depend on. 

In both cases, once you get the first iteration of the gamers in play be ready for the club ho tendency to kick in and fight that desire to keep looking and swap out clubs / shafts as "great deals" pop up!!   (Not that I know anything about this aspect!!!  🤪 )  And we haven't even talked about putters!!!    🤣  It can be a fun experience if you approach it the right way.

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Besides absolute beginners, I think most golfers have a pretty repeatable "motion", even though we think we have different swings. To quote Monte, "Many golfers believe they have multiple golf swings. In reality, most people have one motion that results in a variety of outcomes."

I don't think you have to wait until you have a consistent outcome to get fit. I also think too many of us are looking for the "perfect" fit. I think its okay to get fit with an imperfect swing to find the equipment that works best for your current state swing. If you improve in the future, that is awesome, get refit at that time to see if there is something that will work better for you.

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21 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Besides absolute beginners, I think most golfers have a pretty repeatable "motion", even though we think we have different swings. To quote Monte, "Many golfers believe they have multiple golf swings. In reality, most people have one motion that results in a variety of outcomes."

I don't think you have to wait until you have a consistent outcome to get fit. I also think too many of us are looking for the "perfect" fit. I think its okay to get fit with an imperfect swing to find the equipment that works best for your current state swing. If you improve in the future, that is awesome, get refit at that time to see if there is something that will work better for you.

 

20 minutes ago, jaskanski said:

 

This is the lament you will hear from a vast majority of golfers. Unfortunately, they don't realise how wrong they are.

Fitting in it's fundamental principle is about making a club suited to your build and swing. The beauty of this principle is that you, the golfer, are not as variable as you think. 

Once an assessment has been made on your physical measurements and your swing tendencies, a club can be tailored to match these specifics - meaning you are less likely to make errors than if you were to play with clubs that are not matched to these specifics.

It's a simple numbers game based on probability - build a club that gives you a greater probability of finding the centre of the club face at impact. Your miss becomes less frequent, your swing becomes more constant because it is easier and more intuitive to do so with a club built specifically for the purpose. 

Give someone a club that meets the basic requirements of length and weight and the chances of hitting it squarely at impact increase by a reciprocal factor. Fine tune that proposal for lie, bend point, flex, grip size, face angle, sole width, etc, etc - you will realise your true potential.

I absolutely love these 2 posts.  Couldn't agree more!  If you want to wait until you think you have mastered your swing, you'll be waiting a really long time.

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48 minutes ago, jaskanski said:

 

This is the lament you will hear from a vast majority of golfers. Unfortunately, they don't realise how wrong they are.

Fitting in it's fundamental principle is about making a club suited to your build and swing. The beauty of this principle is that you, the golfer, are not as variable as you think. 

Once an assessment has been made on your physical measurements and your swing tendencies, a club can be tailored to match these specifics - meaning you are less likely to make errors than if you were to play with clubs that are not matched to these specifics.

It's a simple numbers game based on probability - build a club that gives you a greater probability of finding the centre of the club face at impact. Your miss becomes less frequent, your swing becomes more constant because it is easier and more intuitive to do so with a club built specifically for the purpose. 

Give someone a club that meets the basic requirements of length and weight and the chances of hitting it squarely at impact increase by a reciprocal factor. Fine tune that proposal for lie, bend point, flex, grip size, face angle, sole width, etc, etc - you will realise your true potential.

Fair enough. Care to quantify? How much can lessons and practice alone improve your scoring? And how much can fitting alone improve your scoring (aside from the unfortunate minority who happen to be grossly misfit)?

I think many people are led to unrealistic expectations re: fittings to improve their game. If you’re buying clubs anyway you might as well get fit. But as long as your clubs aren’t grossly misfit, which you can find out for free, a paid fitting and new clubs may provide a small improvement if any.

Length isn’t primary for most of us. A fitter will recommend a 1/2” or 1” change in length, when most of us play with a range of lengths of about 9” every day, about 44” to 35” driver to wedge? By all means if you’re getting fitted to buy anyway, but crucial otherwise?

I know quite a few single digit players who buy off the rack. But if you want to spend extra to be sure, that’s fine.

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29 minutes ago, Middler said:

Fair enough. Care to quantify? How much can lessons and practice alone improve your scoring? And how much can fitting alone improve your scoring (aside from the unfortunate minority who happen to be grossly misfit)?

I think many people are led to unrealistic expectations re: fittings to improve their game. If you’re buying clubs anyway you might as well get fit. But as long as your clubs aren’t grossly misfit, which you can find out for free, a paid fitting and new clubs may provide a small improvement if any.

Length isn’t primary for most of us. A fitter will recommend a 1/2” or 1” change in length, when most of us play with a range of lengths of about 9” every day, about 44” to 35” driver to wedge? By all means if you’re getting fitted to buy anyway, but crucial otherwise?

I know quite a few single digit players who buy off the rack. But if you want to spend extra to be sure, that’s fine.

Lessons and practice are knowledge. The beauty is, you can apply that knowledge to any set clubs you ever own in the future.

As for fitted clubs, ever wonder how they make lessons and practice easier? Example - it's been said numerous times about the correct set up with grip, stance, ball position, alignment - before you even start your backswing - can have a tremendous influence over the outcome of a shot. Get those fundamentals correct in your set up, and you stand a pretty good chance of hitting a good shot. Question: is it easier to set up a club that is built to your physical stature and hands that one that is not?

I think we know that answer. So you're in good shape before you even swing. Now let's pose another question: is it easier to swing a club that is balanced for feel and weight and length than one that is too heavy, too light or too short or long?

I think we know that answer too. Final question: is it easier to return a club head squarely at impact with a club that has the correct flex and shaft profile, married to the correct face and lie angle than with a club that is too stiff/weak, with to much/little offset with the incorrect lie angle?

Hmmm - that's a tough one. I think it might be with the fitted club?

Can you see a pattern emerging here? As a fitter, we simple eliminate the variables which have an influence over ball flight and control them into a set of parameters that give a greater chance of success. That's just plain logic based on physics. And it's hard to argue the case otherwise.

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4 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Besides absolute beginners, I think most golfers have a pretty repeatable "motion", even though we think we have different swings. To quote Monte, "Many golfers believe they have multiple golf swings. In reality, most people have one motion that results in a variety of outcomes."

I don't think you have to wait until you have a consistent outcome to get fit. I also think too many of us are looking for the "perfect" fit. I think its okay to get fit with an imperfect swing to find the equipment that works best for your current state swing. If you improve in the future, that is awesome, get refit at that time to see if there is something that will work better for you.

I don’t recall which pro it was...I want to say Andrew Rice in one of his YouTube videos talked about how people’s swings are pretty repeatable but because of bad mechanics or sequencing then club will get out of position and they hav two compensate. 
 

You have been videoing your swing for awhile and feel free to correct me but I think that most times you looked at it on different days you would see a similar swing pattern albeit not always consistent results. 

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I don’t recall which pro it was...I want to say Andrew Rice in one of his YouTube videos talked about how people’s swings are pretty repeatable but because of bad mechanics or sequencing then club will get out of position and they hav two compensate. 
 

You have been videoing your swing for awhile and feel free to correct me but I think that most times you looked at it on different days you would see a similar swing pattern albeit not always consistent results. 

Yes, i agree, although my swing has changed a bit over time, as I have been working on things with my instructor, its still my swing, and it still has many of the same characteristics as before. Even when I change things like being more patient in transition, to me it feels like I am pausing at the top, but really on video its not that much different looking that what I feel is too quick of a transition. 

I think when folks improve their swing, they may need to get a few things tweaked with their equipment (ex. maybe a change in lie angle), but its not likely the equipment they got fitted for previously will stop working for them. 

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I take offense to this statement because newbies don't know any better - I fall into that category. 



Before I joined this forum, I was in the same category. Not only didn't I know that fitters existed, but also didn't know what constitutes a fitting.

While my experience isn't a horror story, in retrospect it wasn't a good experience. My 'fitting' was with the Pro at our Club. Basically he let me swing a Ping driver and an iron and said 'this' is what you need. He had no other brands for me to try nor shaft combinations. Didn't do any static measurements and the shop doesn't own a launch monitor. On the other hand I was just starting out so not sure any other brands would have made a difference. That was 8 or 9 years ago.

Fast forward this past summer, one of my wife's friends who is a pretty good golfer wanted a new set of Clubs. My wife tried to convince her to go to our fitter, but she decided to do the expedient thing and use our Club Pro. Her experience with the same Pro wasn't any different: he ordered her a new set of Ping ladies irons and driver.


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2 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

Fast forward this past summer, one of my wife's friends who is a pretty good golfer wanted a new set of Clubs. My wife tried to convince her to go to our fitter, but she decided to do the expedient thing and use our Club Pro. Her experience with the same Pro wasn't any different: he ordered her a new set of Ping ladies irons and driver.

So.... not so much a fitting as a sale?

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Sometimes in a fitting you just find something that works even if you don’t have the most repeatable swing. A good fitter can tell within a few swings whether a particular club is meshing with your swing or not. Maybe you find something that feels great and that leads to better swings and more confidence. You should leave a fitting with a sense of comfort and confidence. If you’re leaving with doubts, you’re always going to have that nagging feeling in the back of your mind. When I was fitting, I always said that you can’t quantify confidence, but if that club looks good and feels good as you stand over it, you’re already in a better place.


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17 hours ago, jaskanski said:

Just because you're a newbie to golf doesn't mean you're also bereft of any common sense. And you can't be bothered to do any research to find a good fitter? It seems like you're proving my point.  Can I provide any helpful content? I've never met you and I have no idea where you live or where you play and a what level - and you want me to tell you what's good for you? I think you've proved my point again. Have another look in that mirror....

It was your assumptions that lead you to believe I asked for myself = totally wrong!

I was just asking in general for the community without thinking of myself at all.

Golf is simple - people are complicated.

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It was your assumptions that lead you to believe I asked for myself = totally wrong!
I was just asking in general for the community without thinking of myself at all.

You wrote “I am thinking of a fitting for myself in 2021” and then listed your past experiences.

I think the assumption that you were asking for yourself was pretty much inferred in your OP.


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You wrote “I am thinking of a fitting for myself in 2021” and then listed your past experiences.

I think the assumption that you were asking for yourself was pretty much inferred in your OP.


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You're right. Thank you for pointing out how dumb I am of a poster of topics because I did it all wrong. Please forgive my idiotic noobiness.

 

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20 hours ago, Buffly said:

I hope to someday. Yes, absolutely

So let me get this straight. You are not paying for a fitting, but expect top-notch service free of charge?

If that's the case, I think your title is a little misleading.

A horror story would be paying $300 for a full bag fitting at True Spec or Club Champion and then experience what you mentioned.

What you encountered is just common sense, you got what you paid for: nothing...

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On 12/29/2020 at 1:13 AM, Buffly said:

I don't get your response? Why would you want to keep the conversation out of the forum when it could help someone other than just me?

I was never expecting personalized fitting, but I didn't know fitters are not created equal. I have never actually been fit. I only shared my big box experiences to start off the conversation of something not close to optimal. 

I guess my optimal fitting experience would be to be fit into an attainable used set of clubs that only costs around $800 for 13 clubs that are up to 15 years old irons, new Maltby Wedges, and within 5 years of drivers, woods and hybrids. I just want to know specs and models that fit me so I can buy them, have them adjusted, and play them without having to order new equipment at new equipment prices. I am a poor man playing a rich mans game and not looking to keep up with shiny new metal when a few scratches will do the job. 

If you did not know all fitters were not created equal, but at the same time don’t get my response of why I would wanted to talk with one on one you miss the point of fitting. The goal of getting a fitting is to improve your game and your game alone. At that point I was willing to share my knowledge and while I will never claim to be an expert I do have some key insights and true horror stories that some people may take offense too because it happened to them.

At this point you would be better served going to bed earlier instead of typing messages in a forum at 1am my time. that way you could get up early and make an impact in your life and stop making excuses and throwing a pity party. The only reason you don’t have the things you want and you’re not where you want to be is because you’re not willing to make the sacrifice.

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