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My set now (Titleist 718 AP3) was my 1st set that I was fitted for: before that I had a set of GI clubs from pinemeadow that I bought off Amazon. I didn’t switch until I had broken 80, but it was immediately apparent that I needed to keep improving. I loved that they look like more of a players iron, but it took 1/2 a season before I could consistently strike the 4-6 irons in my new set. To me I think all “players distance” irons are prone to an Uber-hot rocket off the face from time to time: I’m not sure whether that’s on me for never hitting the dead center sweet spot or the club for having too thin a face in spots. But the 210 plus yard 7 iron happens a bit too much for my liking. This will be the last season for the AP3’s: I’ll be looking at the following blended sets for 2022:

Titleist 620 CB/T100
Mizuno MP20/921 tour
Ping blueprint/i210
TM P7MC/P770


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I'm not a talented enough golfer to contribute to this thread maybe as intended, but thought I would give my input.

I also prefer to play 9 holes at a time and typically shoot around a 46 so I'm about 6 shots worse than you.  I've had a golf club acquisition problem over the years and have put into play over the past few years:

G15 - I have had them for years, but despite the size do not strike them consistently well.   I think it is because of the wide soles and my picker "brush the grass" type of impact position.  I still have these.  I keep thinking after bad stretches that these may be the answer to my problem, but they never are.

718 AP1 - I was fit for these, but they did not work on the course at all.  I'm not sure why.  I suffered with inconsistent golf and eventually flipped them end of 2019.

716 AP2 - I liked these.  They look/feel good.  There was a distance penalty, but loft-for-loft I think these did ok.  I flipped them end of 2019, maybe I should have kept them.  The 4i/5i were inconsistent though and needed hybrid replacement.  I think this line of iron is a good compromise.

MP4 - These are the prettiest of the bunch and have great feel.  Mine are shafted with XP 105 R300 so the shaft is reasonable for my skill also.  I think my inconsistency is a little bit worse than with the AP2s, but the good shots made me feel like I was playing real golf.  I still have these.

TE Forged - I bought these early 2020 with a lower flight shaft (DG R300) due to reports of the launch being very high.  They feel good and are reasonably sized.  I'm only ok with these down to a 6 iron also.  Maltby MPF rates these very highly, measurements show MOI is quite a bit less than AP2 but the COG is farther from the hosel.''  I still have these.  The shaft may be a bit much and I think I benefit by going lighter.

0211 - I bought these used off PXG Express after the season for what I thought was a great deal and plan to play them this year.  They are a little bit bigger than the TE Forged, but are hollow/filled and I'm getting a little bit better distance loft-for-loft on my Mevo.  The feel is still quite good.  I haven't gotten them on the course yet.

What's the take away from all of this?  Scores differ very little.  Smaller irons have more "disaster" potential at my skill level and if my swing is God awful on a particular day I may really struggle.  It is possible the really good rounds are helped with a more precise iron. I seem to do much worse with a very wide sole, but ideally a little bit of help still.

Personally, I think irons do not make that big of a difference. 

Dave

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I wish I could scream this from the roof of the building...

Quick background...I am a former competitive golfer who played 962b and 670mb irons for a majority of my playing time.  

Two years ago I began exploring they WHY of what is in my bag.  Let me say this as concise as possible...I cannot believe I didn't switch to an easier to hit set of clubs earlier.  As a new dad, my playing time has dropped from what I wish I could play which means practice and regular rounds are not as frequent.  These easier to hit irons make the game SO MUCH MORE FUN. 

The technology in golf has given better players a better sample of equipment that still resembles heads they prefer to play while offering the forgiveness and playability they want and need.

You aren't sacrificing anything but ego if you continue to hold your ground.

 

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On 1/9/2021 at 2:40 PM, Middler said:

I play Mizuno JPX Forged because I want feel more like the Tour with more forgiveness, I get more distance but that wasn’t my primary reason to choose Forged. I don’t want to play Hot Metals, Mizunos distance line, but it may come to that one day. We’ll all face a day when we have to maximize distance...sign.

I don’t know if theirs a huge difference between the pro and the standard hot metals either. With the pros falling closer to the players distance. 

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On 1/9/2021 at 10:40 PM, braincramp said:

I'm not really looking for iron recommendations.I have a good idea what's out there. What I'd like to hear about is people who made the change and how they got along. Not that I don't appreciate the input though. 

For me, I've played both ends of the spectrum.  I've played the big game improvement irons of my career (Ping Eye 2, Ping Zings, Callaway X series, etc...) and I've played the players irons. (Ping I series clubs, Callaway X-Forged,  Lynx Paralax, Titliest DCI's / CBs, etc).  On either end of the spectrum I can honestly say that I've hit some tremendously good feeling irons.  Further, I would say that I've gotten great performance out of either of them.  

However, to your exact question... I would say being a single digit handicapper I'm far more focused at this point in my golf life to hit exact distances within a small tolerance give or take.  The extra distance type clubs don't work for me specifically because of they're variability in hitting that called for distance when it's all on the line for me to shoot even par.  That's not to say they don't work for someone else, cause frankly I play with quite a few guys whom play a GI type club and they shoot even or under quite frequently.  I would simply answer as you asked that for me and how I got on with my choices, the "Players Club" (For whatever that truly means to anyone really) tend to be my club of choice because I can remove a lot of variables from the equation. 

Now that's not to say you can't get a Players Distance type iron that many have mentioned previously and see the successes you may be seeking, but it is to say that first and foremost you would need to understand your specific goals and or needs in the set.  If you're like me, you don't care so much about distance but more about feel and ability to play the shot your mind's eye is playing. 

I have never looked back since I've made that switch frankly.  All new irons, far more than I care to admit honestly, that I look at and potentially purchase to be put in my bag have to fit a set of criteria that has become my "norm."  

Hope that helps.  Have fun trying all your choices and always play your best! 

Cheers!

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Oooh Oooh - I’m a fit here - I’ve struggled for years to find an iron that I like as I’ve moved out of my 50’s into my mid 60’s.

I had 2 iterations of Wilson C’s but wasn’t satisfied there - tried Ping G’s, had reasonable results but couldn’t stomach the way they looked.

I’m currently gaming the D7 forged - it’s given me a similar distance boost, is much more controllable than the G things and looks pretty good.

I can play year round but am not in the competitive season - I’m anxious for April to roll around so that I am able to put them to test under pressure.

I hope that helps - our games sound similar.


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Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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I will be the contrarian.  I am 64 and play to a 5.5 handicap and play Ping G700 irons with Recoil 65 graphite shafts.  I got distance back and no lose in accuracy.  Play what works for you.  I'm hitting greens and making putts.  No one is even looking in my bag to see what i play.  They just say, "Nice shot!"

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I will be the contrarian.  I am 64 and play to a 5.5 handicap and play Ping G700 irons with Recoil 65 graphite shafts.  I got distance back and no lose in accuracy.  Play what works for you.  I'm hitting greens and making putts.  No one is even looking in my bag to see what i play.  They just say, "Nice shot!"


I think that’s great, clearly the OP doesn’t want to go that route if he can avoid it, but your feedback is exactly the kind that he wants.

I made a similar move with the Wilson Cs and then the Ping G30’s. I did fine with the G30’s but really hated the way that the short irons looked. Certainly that was impacting my performance. You could see it in the ARCOSS data where I was more accurate with 7 and 8 iron than PW.

I fully agree that we need to play what works.


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Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

SCOR 52,60

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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I'm probably in the target demographic here, 65 years old, 3.6 index, haven't lost a lot of distance (yet).  As far back as I can remember, I've played with some type of slightly game-improvement players iron.  That started with forged cavity-back sets including McGregor JNP, Mizuno MP30.  Then to AP2 714, a forged multi-material iron, and now with the Titleist T200 (thanks to Titleist and MGS for selecting me as a reviewer).  The process of changing from one to the next was never difficult, they all play relatively the same.  The exception, the T200s are a club longer, but in order to keep my gaps consistent, I play 5-P plus a 48* W instead of 4-P.  I would probably be just fine with the T100, but I volunteered for the slightly increased game improvement features of the T200 as a bow to my increasing age.  I don't know that my experience is really applicable to the OP, my changes from one set to the next have been pretty small, so the transition has been easy.  I guess that's my advice, don't worry about making a small step towards more GI features, you'll probably make the adjustment without any problem.  I'm not ready to go to Super-GI, maybe I never will, but I do like the slightly higher ball flight that the T200s have brought me.

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6 hours ago, revkev said:

 


I think that’s great, clearly the OP doesn’t want to go that route if he can avoid it, but your feedback is exactly the kind that he wants.

I made a similar move with the Wilson Cs and then the Ping G30’s. I did fine with the G30’s but really hated the way that the short irons looked. Certainly that was impacting my performance. You could see it in the ARCOSS data where I was more accurate with 7 and 8 iron than PW.

I fully agree that we need to play what works.


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I've toyed with the idea of reshafting my Taylormade Tour Preferred irons with Recoil 65 shafts and getting the swing weight to D2 and see what they do.  I honestly think the distance gain is mostly moving from a steel shaft to a lightweight graphite shaft.  I also have a set of Hogan Apex Plus that I loved.   Reshafting them with graphite would be fun too.

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I've toyed with the idea of reshafting my Taylormade Tour Preferred irons with Recoil 65 shafts and getting the swing weight to D2 and see what they do.  I honestly think the distance gain is mostly moving from a steel shaft to a lightweight graphite shaft.  I also have a set of Hogan Apex Plus that I loved.   Reshafting them with graphite would be fun too.



You’ll love the graphite IMO. Much friendlier on the joints.


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Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

SCOR 52,60

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag.  Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. 

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