danc000000 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 hello all. i'm currently playing some knockoff taylormade burner oversize irons. they're probably, at least, 15 years old (hopefully the pictures uploaded). they're still in decent condition but i think they're overdue for an update. i've tried hitting some new clubs. i tested out the wilson d300, tour edge c521, tommy armour 845, and the callaway rogue irons. hopefully the data for the d300s and c521s uploaded. as you can see i suck at golf. i liked hitting the wilsons best but the c521s gave me the best results. the issue i had with all these clubs though is that the lofts were all fairly strong. the loft on the 7 iron taylormade knock off is 33 degrees while the wilson 7 iron is 29. so i guess my question is: are there any clubs out there that offer a more traditional loft that also aren't $1000+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 If you know the specs you are looking for you can go with a direct to consumer brand who could build clubs at a lesser price for you. Companies such as Maltby and Sub70. You would be able to adjust Loft length and lie to make the setup as traditional as you would like. 17 minutes ago, danc000000 said: hello all. i'm currently playing some knockoff taylormade burner oversize irons. they're probably, at least, 15 years old (hopefully the pictures uploaded). they're still in decent condition but i think they're overdue for an update. i've tried hitting some new clubs. i tested out the wilson d300, tour edge c521, tommy armour 845, and the callaway rogue irons. hopefully the data for the d300s and c521s uploaded. as you can see i suck at golf. i liked hitting the wilsons best but the c521s gave me the best results. the issue i had with all these clubs though is that the lofts were all fairly strong. the loft on the 7 iron taylormade knock off is 33 degrees while the wilson 7 iron is 29. so i guess my question is: are there any clubs out there that offer a more traditional loft that also aren't $1000+? Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) It's hard to interpret through your post, but you are basing your opinion on just a couple of swings on a launch monitor, one with each club? There are lots of clubs that cost less than $1k per set. The problem right now is supply. I tried ordering a few PING irons and their current wait time for delivery is 3-4 months. Screw that. I'll be old and dead before getting those clubs. Speaking of PING, if you get fit for their irons, you can order one club at a time to soften the economic blow. And at $125 per club you can pick and choose what and when you want to get. I'd suggest taking a look at Ben Hogan golf, but again, that's another brand that is out of stock on a lot of equipment right now. But you can get a whole set from them for much less than $1k. Here's a wild idea for you. I've got an old set of PING Eye irons that are standard loft and lie, and in decent shape, from the 80's, and still hit really well. I just had them regripped. Name your price and I'll send them to you. They will certainly cost you a lot less than $1k. Alternative #2. I've got a set of Callaway Razr-X Forged irons - 6 through gap wedge that are in great shape and will cost you a lot less than $1k. Same deal - name your price and I'll send them to you. Edited January 14, 2021 by Mr. 82 TR1PTIK, GregGarner, GaDawg and 2 others 5 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc000000 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Mr. 82 said: It's hard to interpret through your post, but you are basing your opinion on just a couple of swings on a launch monitor, one with each club? There are lots of clubs that cost less than $1k per set. The problem right now is supply. I tried ordering a few PING irons and their current wait time for delivery is 3-4 months. Screw that. I'll be old and dead before getting those clubs. Speaking of PING, if you get fit for their irons, you can order one club at a time to soften the economic blow. And at $125 per club you can pick and choose what and when you want to get. I'd suggest taking a look at Ben Hogan golf, but again, that's another brand that is out of stock on a lot of equipment right now. But you can get a whole set from them for much less than $1k. Here's a wild idea for you. I've got an old set of PING Eye irons that are standard loft and lie, and in decent shape, from the 80's, and still hit really well. I just had them regripped. Name your price and I'll send them to you. They will certainly cost you a lot less than $1k. Alternative #2. I've got a set of Callaway Razr-X Forged irons - 6 through gap wedge that are in great shape and will cost you a lot less than $1k. Same deal - name your price and I'll send them to you. I probably took about 30 to 40 swings with a 7 iron of each set. That's all Golf Galaxy and the PGA Superstore would let me demo. I'll check out Ben Hogan. Back when I was teenager/in my twenties I played a bit more. I've just gotten back into playing because of the pandemic the only thing you can do "safely" is basically go outside and play golf. I got my clubs when I was like 17 or so and now I'm 37 and a lot has changed since then so all of this is fairly new to me. Thanks for your offer to sell those clubs. I appreciate it but I'm going to politely decline. I'll check out ebay and see if they've got those too. Thanks! 7 hours ago, RollingGreens said: If you know the specs you are looking for you can go with a direct to consumer brand who could build clubs at a lesser price for you. Companies such as Maltby and Sub70. You would be able to adjust Loft length and lie to make the setup as traditional as you would like. Thanks! I'll definitely check out the direct to consumer stuff. I honestly didn't know brands like that existed. The length adjustment would be really helpful too as I'm only 5' 4" so I usually need a half inch taken off the shaft. Would you recommend one over the other or is it all personal preference? BNewton51, joshuac3 and revkev 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 While you were shorter with the Wilsons, the data suggests your dispersion is much better - along with apex height and launch angle which will help you stop the ball on the green (especially at 2900 RPM which is quite low for a 7-iron). Is there a specific reason why you wish to have weaker lofted irons? Based on what you've shared, it would seem you fit quite well into the GI/stronger lofted options available on the market. Adding loft is just going to take distance out of your bag when it seems you could really use more of it. Honestly if you are just getting back into the game and in desperate need of "new" clubs, I'd go the eBay route. Save as much money as you can because you're either going to get better, stay exactly the same, or lose interest. In two of the three scenarios mentioned, your needs are going to change and you might kick yourself for spending more than you had to upfront. Just some food for thought, good luck! BNewton51 and MNUte 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 hours ago, danc000000 said: I probably took about 30 to 40 swings with a 7 iron of each set. That's all Golf Galaxy and the PGA Superstore would let me demo. I'll check out Ben Hogan. Back when I was teenager/in my twenties I played a bit more. I've just gotten back into playing because of the pandemic the only thing you can do "safely" is basically go outside and play golf. I got my clubs when I was like 17 or so and now I'm 37 and a lot has changed since then so all of this is fairly new to me. Thanks for your offer to sell those clubs. I appreciate it but I'm going to politely decline. I'll check out ebay and see if they've got those too. Thanks! Thanks! I'll definitely check out the direct to consumer stuff. I honestly didn't know brands like that existed. The length adjustment would be really helpful too as I'm only 5' 4" so I usually need a half inch taken off the shaft. Would you recommend one over the other or is it all personal preference? A proper fitting would be necessary. We are the same size. Their isn’t anything that says you have to play 1/2”short. But you also may need to adjust lie angle changing the length. I myself am only 5’5” play standard length and 2 deg upright. I really don’t have a favorite. I think sub 70 offfers more of the cosmetics to their clubs but at the end of the day they are lower cost options with essentially build your own customizations BNewton51 and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc000000 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 hours ago, TR1PTIK said: While you were shorter with the Wilsons, the data suggests your dispersion is much better - along with apex height and launch angle which will help you stop the ball on the green (especially at 2900 RPM which is quite low for a 7-iron). Is there a specific reason why you wish to have weaker lofted irons? Based on what you've shared, it would seem you fit quite well into the GI/stronger lofted options available on the market. Adding loft is just going to take distance out of your bag when it seems you could really use more of it. Honestly if you are just getting back into the game and in desperate need of "new" clubs, I'd go the eBay route. Save as much money as you can because you're either going to get better, stay exactly the same, or lose interest. In two of the three scenarios mentioned, your needs are going to change and you might kick yourself for spending more than you had to upfront. Just some food for thought, good luck! I'm just able to hit the weaker lofted irons. I haven't used tracking data on my 7 iron but I'm pretty sure I hit it only a few years shorter than the game improvement ones. They also said that I was launching the ball fairly high considering the loft of the clubs. I don't know if that's true or not. Again all of this data stuff is new to me. Back when I bought my set of clubs it was some old school dude in Myrtle Beach who went off of what his eyes and ears were telling him. I've been looking around e-bay and hopefully I'll have some luck. Any particular clubs you would suggest? 7 hours ago, RollingGreens said: A proper fitting would be necessary. We are the same size. Their isn’t anything that says you have to play 1/2”short. But you also may need to adjust lie angle changing the length. I myself am only 5’5” play standard length and 2 deg upright. I really don’t have a favorite. I think sub 70 offfers more of the cosmetics to their clubs but at the end of the day they are lower cost options with essentially build your own customizations The guy at the PGS Superstore told me that based on my height I was good for standard length clubs but based on his measuring device I was just barely into the Standard measurement. The Sub 70s do look very good. I checked out the Maltby as well and their prices are definitely good too. They have a ton of shaft and grip options, it's almost overwhelming. RollingGreens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossfan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Check out Sub 70. They have irons for all different types of players. The customer service is great. They will find the best fit for you. Quote D- Tour Edge EXS 220 4W- Sub 70 949X Hybrid- Sub 70 949X Utility- Sub 70 699 U 21 degree Irons- Sub 70 749 5-PW Wedges- Sub 70 286 50+54, Tour Edge 1 out 58 degree Putter- Cleveland Huntington Beach soft # 11 Ball- Titleist Tour Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, danc000000 said: I'm just able to hit the weaker lofted irons. I haven't used tracking data on my 7 iron but I'm pretty sure I hit it only a few years shorter than the game improvement ones. They also said that I was launching the ball fairly high considering the loft of the clubs. I don't know if that's true or not. Again all of this data stuff is new to me. Back when I bought my set of clubs it was some old school dude in Myrtle Beach who went off of what his eyes and ears were telling him. I've been looking around e-bay and hopefully I'll have some luck. Any particular clubs you would suggest? The guy at the PGS Superstore told me that based on my height I was good for standard length clubs but based on his measuring device I was just barely into the Standard measurement. The Sub 70s do look very good. I checked out the Maltby as well and their prices are definitely good too. They have a ton of shaft and grip options, it's almost overwhelming. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. Is it the main stream OEM, no but paying half the price is well worth it. Too much fluff built in to the costs. Also check out PXGs cast model lineup. Great prices plus I do not believe they charge you to get fitted. I would look into that as it is getting more and more traction Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc000000 Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 Great, I'll take a look at all this stuff. Thanks guys! You've all been super helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 As several have recommended, Sub-70 is good for a brand new custom option. As for used, I'd look at Taylormade, Callaway, and Ping clubs from the last 5-10 years depending on how much you want to spend. One of the few sets I like to recommend (due to personal experience and knowledge) is the Taylormade Burner 2.0 irons. IMO, one of the best GI iron sets released in the last decade. Ping G Series is always a good option as well. I'd be curious to know if they showed you (and if you remember) what your angle of attack is. That might help explain some of what is shown in the picture on your original post. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkey67 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Lofts are all relative to the club and maker. The trap I used to fall into was the " I always hit a 8 iron 140 yards" not understanding that lofts varied by manufacturer and within models and we're also affect by shaft profiles.In regards to the above comment:. When I went golfing with my brother, he would tee off on a 142 yard par 3 and be pin high. I'd ask what club he hit and use the same club, but was always short of green or short front edge. It wasn't until years later I realized his 8 was 38 degree loft and mine was 41. Interestingly, if manufacturers just put lofts on their clubs, consumers would better understand that the shafts for their clubs have a far greater effect on distance, spin and dispersion than the club heads.Of course the above comments assume that the golfer has a consistently repeatable swing. Meaning of you both hook/slice and hit fat/thin randomly then your first focus should be lessons.That's not directed at you, but golfers in general. Lessons first, then get fit when you have a consistent swing. I wasted a lot of money chasing club tech when lessons is what helped the most.Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk Quote Tour Edge C722 Driver Adams Redline Titanium 5w Tour Edge C721 irons 4 - PW Cleveland CBX2 48 degree wedge Maltby M-Series 52 & 56 wedges Cleveland HB Soft Premier 11s putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I would also recommend the Sub-70 brand. I have played most of the major brands over the years and have switched over to Sub-70 from Wilson D200's. I have been playing my best with them. I actually just ordered another club from them last week and should be delivered tomorrow. By going with a direct to consumer brand you can build the set to fit your budget. Then if you really do get back into golf you can always add more clubs. Name brands typically want to sell you a full set when it comes to irons. I wouldn't suggest you adjust the lofts to what you used to play. Clubs today are designed to launch higher with all the technology changes over the last 15 to 20 years. Based on your data you will want the added distance. As you get your swing back the distance will increase. Good luck with your search and decision. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Sub 70’s are the bomb but if you like Wilson D’s why not the D7 which you should be able to snag for under $500? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc000000 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 12:35 PM, Tom the Golf Nut said: I would also recommend the Sub-70 brand. I have played most of the major brands over the years and have switched over to Sub-70 from Wilson D200's. I have been playing my best with them. I actually just ordered another club from them last week and should be delivered tomorrow. By going with a direct to consumer brand you can build the set to fit your budget. Then if you really do get back into golf you can always add more clubs. Name brands typically want to sell you a full set when it comes to irons. I wouldn't suggest you adjust the lofts to what you used to play. Clubs today are designed to launch higher with all the technology changes over the last 15 to 20 years. Based on your data you will want the added distance. As you get your swing back the distance will increase. Good luck with your search and decision. Yeah, I've noticed that all the lofts are quite a bit higher than my old clubs. I'm guessing that's because mine are 15 to 20 years old. Basically it seems like the loft on my 5 iron is the loft of a new 7 iron. At that point why are they even putting numbers on the clubs? Just list the lofts. On 1/16/2021 at 10:58 PM, revkev said: Sub 70’s are the bomb but if you like Wilson D’s why not the D7 which you should be able to snag for under $500? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I would have given the D7s a hit but both places were sold out. revkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 14 hours ago, danc000000 said: I would have given the D7s a hit but both places were sold out. That should tell you something right there. Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 12:32 PM, liermann.mark said: Interestingly, if manufacturers just put lofts on their clubs, consumers would better understand that the shafts for their clubs have a far greater effect on distance, spin and dispersion than the club heads. Ben Hogan golf did that and guess what customers didn’t like it want it and now they use numbers. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc000000 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, revkev said: That should tell you something right there. The PGA Superstore in East Hanover, NJ was pretty ransacked in terms of clubs. They had probably half or less of the clubs on display actually there. They only had the Wilson D300 in graphite as the steel was all gone. Any suggestions between these three Maltby clubs: STi2, TE Forged, and KE4 Tour+ or would I be better with the Sub 70 since I can demo it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I have a friend who loves his Sub 70's - we've also tested them here - I believe it was the Player's Distance ones that we tested - I have nothing against Maltby but the ability to demo is a big deal - if you try them out and like them, great, if not, what have you really lost? I would start there - Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azstu324 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I agree that Maltby really doesn't cater much to the demo scene. I think their target audience is more the knowledgeable golfer and/or hobby builder, which is a shame. Don't quote me but I think you can have a single club built and if you like it enough, they'll pro-rate the difference from a club pack or custom set. I know they have done that in the past. I play the TS-1 irons and love everything about them! Previously I played the DBM's and until I got the TS-1's, I loved everything about them! I've hit and compared just about every OEM on the floor in similar categories and the quality for the value is unmatched IMO. I wouldn't rule out the TS-2s as a very good option either. The other recommendations made are all solid. My Dad is probably about a 20+ and plays the DBMs with no issues at all. He bought a set after using mine for a round after I got my TS-1's. Whatever you decide on, good luck in your journey and hopefully you find the right set to comfortably get you back into the gamethe more I practice, the luckier I seem to get.. revkev 1 Quote PXG 0311 Gen 5 9°/ Fujikura MotoreX F1 6X F6 3 Wood 14* / Kuro Kage Silver 65X F8 6 wood 20* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S RADSpeed Hybrid 24* TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle TSW Wedge - 56/12 EAS 1.0 / Grip master 2.0 MAXFLI Tour CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc000000 Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Just an update. I went with the Tommy Armour 845 irons. I took them to the range and they're great. I also picked up a Wilson C300 5 wood and that is great as well. Thanks everyone for all your help! Edited March 1, 2021 by danc000000 joshuac3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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