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6 minutes ago, viking said:

Has anyone ever seen a worse person than Tiger as a golf hero?

How would you feel if tiger did that to your daughter or sister? Would you still think he is the GOAT?

Being considered a “hero” is a lot different than being considered the greatest of all time at his craft. 
 

There were many amazing athletes that were absolute jerks or just bad people. That doesn’t diminish their athletic accomplishments 

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and you never will, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen athletes of the 50s, 60s, and 70s enjoyed a free pass from the media. sportswriters traveled with teams, and there was an unspoken agree

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This thread was never meant to go in this direction. It was meant to have a discussion on the Documentary. Discuss the positives and negatives. Even the on and off satire. Create your own thread if yo

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25 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Being considered a “hero” is a lot different than being considered the greatest of all time at his craft. 
 

There were many amazing athletes that were absolute jerks or just bad people. That doesn’t diminish their athletic accomplishments 

Ok name people who were worse than Tiger, who cheated with 100+ women on their wife with two young children. Wilt Chamberlains 20,000 does not count he was not married with children.

No question on his fantastic golf accomplishments (no argument at all, he was great) but that BS squeaky clean image he had was all phony. Why root for a world record cheater, again think of the women. Too bad metoo was not a few years sooner than he would have got his just deserts.

Do not shame Arnold, Jack, Garry, Bobby, Sam, etc. by using Tiger's name in the same breath, yes he has similar or better golf ability but he is POS as a person compared to the others. Golf is a gentleman's game and Tiger is no gentleman.

Great golfer yes POS husband. if he was not married at the time that would be a totally different story. Too give up such a fantastic wife for what he cheated with is nuts. Yes his father as a husband was s***** role model but no excuse.

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42 minutes ago, viking said:

Ok name people who were worse than Tiger, who cheated with 100+ women on their wife with two young children. Wilt Chamberlains 20,000 does not count he was not married with children.

No question on his fantastic golf accomplishments (no argument at all, he was great) but that BS squeaky clean image he had was all phony. Why root for a world record cheater, again think of the women. Too bad metoo was not a few years sooner than he would have got his just deserts.

Do not shame Arnold, Jack, Garry, Bobby, Sam, etc. by using Tiger's name in the same breath, yes he has similar or better golf ability but he is POS as a person compared to the others. Golf is a gentleman's game and Tiger is no gentleman.

Great golfer yes POS husband. if he was not married at the time that would be a totally different story. Too give up such a fantastic wife for what he cheated with is nuts. Yes his father as a husband was s***** role model but no excuse.

I’m not going to bother with you because you clearly like to troll on this site or are really just a curmudgeon, but I suggest you do your research on some of your other heroes.  Their exploits weren’t as publicized because societal norms were different and the media back then was extremely athlete-friendly.
 

 

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1 minute ago, jlukes said:

I’m not going to bother with you because you clearly like to troll on this site or are really just a curmudgeon, but I suggest you do your research on some of your other heroes.  Their exploits weren’t as publicized because societal norms were different and the media back then was extremely athlete-friendly.
 

 

This 100%. Tigers exploits are in the public eye due to the advances/invention of social media.  Do I agree with how he lived his life?  Nope!  Would I do that to my wife?  Hell No!  That doesn’t change the fact that I believe he is the GOAT!  When he is compared to Jack, Arnie, etc, it has nothing to do with his philanthropy. It is all about his accomplishments as a golfer.  

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I’m not going to bother with you because you clearly like to troll on this site or are really just a curmudgeon, but I suggest you do your research on some of your other heroes.  Their exploits weren’t as publicized because societal norms were different and the media back then was extremely athlete-friendly.
 

 

Totally wrong I am very good tempered and don't troll. Just like the facts and this documentary spelled out the facts about Tiger good and bad a very balanced view.

I don't have any sports or entertainment or whatever heroes so no I don't know of any worse than Tiger Woods and likely you as well because you did not mention any nor has anyone ever. You have a blind spot for Tiger.

It is foolish to have sports or entertainment heroes and it is foolish to pay them so outrageously, they do nothing for society's well being and improvement.

Again Tiger was a great golfer and yes there are many people much worse as a person that Tiger, never said he was like Epstein or Weinstein, those scumbags are a league of their own.

Elin hit Tiger with the 9 iron on his wrong head though. I am done with this just want people to see the real Tiger warts and all and quite giving him a pass and dumping on Reed, Reed is decent husband and good golfer, Tiger is only one of those.

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7 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

This 100%. Tigers exploits are in the public eye due to the advances/invention of social media.  Do I agree with how he lived his life?  Nope!  Would I do that to my wife?  Hell No!  That doesn’t change the fact that I believe he is the GOAT!  When he is compared to Jack, Arnie, etc, it has nothing to do with his philanthropy. It is all about his accomplishments as a golfer.  

Yes great golf accomplishments but golf is known as gentleman's game and for the golfer to be extremely honest with his play, behavior and public apperance, Tiger is not in the same league as the others, that is my point. Again the severity of the number of times and number of women is unheard of.

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53 minutes ago, viking said:

Yes great golf accomplishments but golf is known as gentleman's game and for the golfer to be extremely honest with his play, behavior and public apperance, Tiger is not in the same league as the others, that is my point. Again the severity of the number of times and number of women is unheard of.

If you don't believe that some of the old greats were womanizers I have a bridge to sell you.

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7 minutes ago, jlukes said:

If you don't believe that some of the old greats were womanizers I have a bridge to sell you.

You have no documented proof of that. Hear say and your speculating is not proof, Tiger is in a league of his own. Own it Tiger. What Tiger did is unthinkable and unforgivable, again so many times with so many women (repeat offenders are not pardoned) and hurt such an innocent loyal woman. Too bad the NE reporters were not there to record his whooping Elin deservedly gave him so the world could see the true Tiger getting a little bit of justice. They did film some of his Perkins girlfriend. All these women were publicly shamed (by the media, by the public, by golfers) while Tiger gets away basically scott free and is still a hero. More like a zero.

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1 hour ago, viking said:

Yes great golf accomplishments but golf is known as gentleman's game and for the golfer to be extremely honest with his play, behavior and public apperance, Tiger is not in the same league as the others, that is my point. Again the severity of the number of times and number of women is unheard of.

Those same “Gentlemen” that this game started with were absolutely terrible people by today’s standards!  They looked down on people like they were beneath them and didn’t deserve to play the game for any other reason than the gentlemen’s financial gain. The game of golf today shares little with the days of “The Gentlemen’s Game”.  

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Those same “Gentlemen” that this game started with were absolutely terrible people by today’s standards!  They looked down on people like they were beneath them and didn’t deserve to play the game for any other reason than the gentlemen’s financial gain. The game of golf today shares little with the days of “The Gentlemen’s Game”.  

Never a bad word about Bobby Jones, Jack N., Arnold Palmer, etc. true gentleman who appreciated all people from all walks of life, all races etc.

Yes many raciest people in golf history, Augusta National likely is a good example of the bad but it has slowly changed, hear so many good things about the members from pros etc. Heck they never ever increased the price on their famous Master Tournament food. They were the only Golf course etc. to publicly condemn Tiger for his many many many discretions but was it just because of that or was their a raciest motive as well or were they upholding the gentleman's code? It will forever be suspect because of thier history. I guess we will never know.

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Never a bad word about Bobby Jones, Jack N., Arnold Palmer, etc. true gentleman who appreciated all people from all walks of life, all races etc.

That doesn’t change the fact that you are comparing Tiger to a few golfers that you call gentleman. My point was the gentleman’s game analogy that you and so many others use as a way to look down on others is exactly what many consider what is wrong with the game.  
 

What Tiger did was wrong imo but that doesn’t change what he accomplished and how he changed the game. If you don’t believe he is the greatest simply because he doesn’t live by your standards so be it. Here is hoping you live a super clean life so nobody can throw stones at you sir. 
 

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You have no documented proof of that. 

and you never will, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

athletes of the 50s, 60s, and 70s enjoyed a free pass from the media. sportswriters traveled with teams, and there was an unspoken agreement to keep all reporting to what happened on the field/course/court if they wanted to keep their all access pass to the team and the players  

some of my biggest sports heroes were complete failures as men and husbands. mickey mantle was a drunk womanizer. the same with joe namath. michael jordan was (is?) a degenerate gambler and slept around on his first wife. muhammad ali has 9 children by 5 different women.  

it’s really only in the last 20-30 years that sports media has shifted from the sports end of the spectrum to the media side of things. now our favorite athletes can’t get away with forgetting to wash their hands after they piss. 

as far as i’m concerned, there is such a thing as too much access. 

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I would be willing to wager if we took a list of certain things that we would consider “not good” or “nice” for lack of better words over half of professional athlete’s would be put into that pot.

Hell if I was a professional athlete and some of my past came up forget it. Not nearly as bad as this but we all have skeletons. Doesn’t change tigers prowess on the sport and how he changed the entire game

i would also argue if it didn’t blow up as bad as it did we wouldn’t even be talking about a documentary like this.

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This thread was never meant to go in this direction. It was meant to have a discussion on the Documentary. Discuss the positives and negatives. Even the on and off satire. Create your own thread if you want to make a personal attack on Tiger and take him down but that was never my attempt. 

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I would be willing to wager if we took a list of certain things that we would consider “not good” or “nice” for lack of better words over half of professional athlete’s would be put into that pot.

Hell if I was a professional athlete and some of my past came up forget it. Not nearly as bad as this but we all have skeletons. Doesn’t change tigers prowess on the sport and how he changed the entire game

i would also argue if it didn’t blow up as bad as it did we wouldn’t even be talking about a documentary like this.

Think about Jon daily, his documentary is hidden under a rug in the attic compared to Tigers. Rarely anyone has seen it...

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5 hours ago, viking said:

Totally wrong I am very good tempered and don't troll. Just like the facts and this documentary spelled out the facts about Tiger good and bad a very balanced view.

I don't have any sports or entertainment or whatever heroes so no I don't know of any worse than Tiger Woods and likely you as well because you did not mention any nor has anyone ever. You have a blind spot for Tiger.

It is foolish to have sports or entertainment heroes and it is foolish to pay them so outrageously, they do nothing for society's well being and improvement.

Again Tiger was a great golfer and yes there are many people much worse as a person that Tiger, never said he was like Epstein or Weinstein, those scumbags are a league of their own.

Elin hit Tiger with the 9 iron on his wrong head though. I am done with this just want people to see the real Tiger warts and all and quite giving him a pass and dumping on Reed, Reed is decent husband and good golfer, Tiger is only one of those.

Your spinning what this documentary turkey showed us about tiger and what occurred with women. He didn’t go out and have sex with every woman because he could. He wasn’t a womanizer. It was his escape. The man was taught to do one thing and one thing only- play golf. He had minimal interpersonal skills and had major issues living a lifestyle outside of the course. In the clubs and with these women in his mind he was just tiger. He found a comfort zone and unfortunately it wasn’t  the best environment. He was flaws socially which I believe led to this demise occurring. He was essentially brain washed by his father. What he did wasn’t justifiable, it was terrible thing for a man to do to his family. He wasn’t the one that publicized it but it came out in the public. I took time to start this thread because I’m a fanboy both of tiger and documentaries that dive deeper. Just last week I watched icarus. I hate Russia for cheating in the olympics but a scientist who can beat the system the way the Russians did intrigued me.  

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Just last week I watched icarus. I hate Russia for cheating in the olympics but a scientist who can beat the system the way the Russians did intrigued me.  

icarus was a great documentary 

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icarus was a great documentary 

The first person view of blood doping, and the one on ones with Rodchenkov revealing the details were crazy. 

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I thought the doc was fair: Tiger had no real childhood to speak of, had a terrible role model for a father, and was stunted emotionally due to it. Our fathers are our heroes and models; and while Earl shaped Tiger into arguably the greatest golfer ever, he failed to shape him into faithful husband. I won’t judge Tiger for that; people already have. To me having your life unravel in the public eye (whether it’s self inflicted or not) is more than ample payment for his various and sundry infidelities. How many of us will ever know what it’s like to be able to get anyone you want, based on their fame? Lived that life and you remained faithful? By all means judge Tiger. Lord knows I’m not perfect, and with the amount of skeletons in my own closet I’m in no position to judge another man or his choices. My father told me “the difference between a man and a boy is regret”. It’s one of the barest truths the old man ever passed down to me. I’m a Tiger fan because I believe you can atone for what you’ve done in the past, and be a better man for it.


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