PXG 0211 driver complete bs lie about COG

[Carl Bunch]

And here is a perfect example of the why the MGS center-of-gravity reports are important:

The new PXG 0211 driver claims to have a COG of 5200 with cog 1mm below the neutral axis. (Jan 7 MGS new release)

But if you view the 5 years (2015-2019) of MGS COG data, you can plainly see that 5200MOI and 1mm below the neutral axis is in impossible territory. It would require weight below the surface of the ground !

PXG is flat out lying about their latest driver and Tony Covey is letting them do it on MGS.

Tony Covey might as well start accepting advertising $$ from manufacturers, because if he's just going to repeat their marketing lies to us, then he's basically advertising for them for free !

[GolfSpy_APH]

I believe that posting the exact same thing in another thread gets your point across, no need to make a duplicate post and a entirely new thread for this. 
I disagree completely and although the COG data may show the facts as you say it (I haven't looked as I just noticed the post), but relaying the talking points from PXG or for a matter any other company isn't taking or accepting advertising dollars. I am sure they will do their tests and put out a report in due time as you have asked for several times and while we wait we can have a productive conversation about the product itself rather then accusing MGS or Staff of something that is against its core goals and beliefs.  

[Chip Strokes]

[TBT]

All Tony and MGS are doing is publishing the “press release” provided to MGS and every other golf media outlet about new clubs from PXG.

MGS has not come out and a verified any claims by PXG at all, it’s a press release pain and simple.

I can promise you that as soon as they can get their hands on the new PXG line they will put all their claims to the test.


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[GolfSpy_BNG]

I’m bored so what the heck I will bite. 
 

I looked quickly at the results from 2015 til now and perhaps I missed it but where does it show or state that 5200moi and -1mm below neutral axis is impossible?

PXG even says that they found by raising the face height they could lower the cog.  

[Carl Bunch]

2 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

I’m bored so what the heck I will bite. 
 

I looked quickly at the results from 2015 til now and perhaps I missed it but where does it show or state that 5200moi and -1mm below neutral axis is impossible?

PXG even says that they found by raising the face height they could lower the cog.  

Look at the cumulative data (2015-2019).
There is no driver anywhere close to 5200 MOI and 1mm BELOW the neutral axis, even though several manufacturers have tried.

Cobra LTD showed the furthest back on the neutral axis you can go is about 4600MOI.
Ping and PXG have shown that you can max out MOI at 5600 by putting maximum weight at the very rear of the head, but COG is for sure going to be 2-3mm ABOVE the neutral axis, because that weight itself is above the neutral axis at the very rear of the head.

Since the neutral axis starts going into the ground (and going into the ground even quicker with a 10.5* + head), you would need weight below the surface of the ground to get the COG 1mm below the neutral axis at 5200 MOI.

If PXG made their face taller, all that does is raise the COG and bring it forward, because the face is the heaviest part of the head.

[Carl Bunch]

3 hours ago, TBT said:

All Tony and MGS are doing is publishing the “press release” provided to MGS and every other golf media outlet about new clubs from PXG.

MGS has not come out and a verified any claims by PXG at all, it’s a press release pain and simple.

I can promise you that as soon as they can get their hands on the new PXG line they will put all their claims to the test.


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Are you sure ?
MGS has had access to all the 2020 models and haven't produced COG data on any of those.

[GolfSpy_BNG]

32 minutes ago, Carl Bunch said:

Look at the cumulative data (2015-2019).
There is no driver anywhere close to 5200 MOI and 1mm BELOW the neutral axis, even though several manufacturers have tried.

Cobra LTD showed the furthest back on the neutral axis you can go is about 4600MOI.
Ping and PXG have shown that you can max out MOI at 5600 by putting maximum weight at the very rear of the head, but COG is for sure going to be 2-3mm ABOVE the neutral axis, because that weight itself is above the neutral axis at the very rear of the head.

Since the neutral axis starts going into the ground (and going into the ground even quicker with a 10.5* + head), you would need weight below the surface of the ground to get the COG 1mm below the neutral axis at 5200 MOI.

If PXG made their face taller, all that does is raise the COG and bring it forward, because the face is the heaviest part of the head.

So without testing anything yourself and with no proof other than it has never been done before, PXG 0211 is complete BS?  We get you want MGS to do the COG test but come on man. Your title and thread are more baseless than PXG’s 0211 claim. 

[cnosil]

37 minutes ago, Carl Bunch said:

Are you sure ?
MGS has had access to all the 2020 models and haven't produced COG data on any of those.

Since they haven't produced the report you want,  isn't the best option to do it yourself.   Let us know your findings. 

[Carl Bunch]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Since they haven't produced the report you want,  isn't the best option to do it yourself.   Let us know your findings. 

I'm fine with MGS not being able to produce 2020 COG Report because of the pandemic.
But when Tony just regurgitates PXGs near-impossible claims, and then lies for the benefit of PXG, I'm going to speak up.

1) PXG makes claim that driver is 5200MOI and COG 1mm below neutral axis. Now that claim, if true, would be groundbreaking. There is no other driver in the past 5 years that has even come CLOSE to that territory on the MOI/COG Neutral Axis chart.

2) Having done all of the COG data and analysis for MGS over the past 5 years, Tony would (should) have noticed this immediately.

3) Toney Covey then LIES to support PXGs claim. Tony says that the PXG driver would have the same MOI/COG as the Ping G410 LST, which is absolutely NOT TRUE. MGS data shows that the Ping G410 LST has a COG almost 4mm ABOVE the neutral axis. 

Either Tony misread his own data and misstated the comparison to the Ping G410 LST (and is also missing the near-impossibility of the PXG MOI/COG claim), or Tony is intentionally lying for the benefit of PXG.

[GolfSpy_APH]

Can we have a mod close or merge this thread as this point or topic is being argued in another thread and posts are being duplicated in another thread which is arguing the same point? I don't feel it is particularly beneficial or productive conversation here regardless, but certainly no reason to see it twice. 

[GolfSpy MPR]

@Apolloshowl: that's a fair request. Every should go take this discussion to this thread: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/40529-2020-driver-center-of-gravity-report/

In general, there's no reason to post virtually the same comment in two or more different threads.