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42 minutes ago, dski said:

For how much they care about face performance you would think the backside milling would be cleaner.  I'd think the ridges would impact face flex.

I’m sure their engineering team took that into account with the design. 

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Toney is getting a bit carried away with his sawzall 😆. I've always been a fan of the raw basket weave look... are you listening PING?

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Anyone else reminded of the Nike Vapor Fly Blue/Yellow combo color scheme? 

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2 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

Anyone else reminded of the Nike Vapor Fly Blue/Yellow combo color scheme? 

Nike Vapor Fly Pro Driver Review - Golfalot

I've seen/heard people talk about it and I understand where they are coming from but without them I don't make a connection between the two.  That comes from someone that still owns Vapor Fly driver, 3&5w. 

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Original photos that came out I was not a fan of (a month ago or so) but digging the look of these....I dont need a driver, I dont need a driver.....

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42 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said:

I've seen/heard people talk about it and I understand where they are coming from but without them I don't make a connection between the two.  That comes from someone that still owns Vapor Fly driver, 3&5w. 

I'm jealous!  I always wanted that blue/yellow Vapor Fly Driver.

I'm not saying TaylorMade ripped Nike off on the design of the driver, just that the color scheme similarities are hard to mistake. 

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I’ll definitely be hitting it....time to replace my Callaway XR
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Great photos, thank you. I am very curious to hit the regular and max versions. I've watched several youtube videos and there were some where the testers could not tell the difference between the two. With the current drivers, for me, the max is a much easier driver to hit.

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On 1/19/2021 at 8:09 AM, Tony Covey MGS said:

What does TM plan on doing when the first one of these things blows up like a grenade in someone's swing since it's essentially a bunch of components held together by a screw.... I can't help but keep thinking of poor ole Wiley Coyote and his failed bomb attempts! 🤣

But, I'm sure nothing could go wrong hurling this thing towards a hard white object over and over again...  right?

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On 1/26/2021 at 8:51 AM, BNewton51 said:

What does TM plan on doing when the first one of these things blows up like a grenade in someone's swing since it's essentially a bunch of components held together by a screw.... I can't help but keep thinking of poor ole Wiley Coyote and his failed bomb attempts! 🤣

But, I'm sure nothing could go wrong hurling this thing towards a hard white object over and over again...  right?

They're not held together by a screw.. They're glued on the mating surfaces, just as all other drivers are.

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3 hours ago, ryanokeefe said:

They're not held together by a screw.. They're glued on the mating surfaces, just as all other drivers are.

Understood!  But there's a reason why many manufacturers aren't putting multiple piece drivers that are all held together.  Especially ones where they have carbon fiber on the top and bottom.  I'd certainly be the first to say I hope it isn't an issue, but I fear we're gonna start hearing about them coming apart or exploding after longer term usage. 

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6 minutes ago, BNewton51 said:

Understood!  But there's a reason why many manufacturers aren't putting multiple piece drivers that are all held together.  Especially ones where they have carbon fiber on the top and bottom.  I'd certainly be the first to say I hope it isn't an issue, but I fear we're gonna start hearing about them coming apart or exploding after longer term usage. 

I am sure the R&D that went into the this development had more swings than any of us will swing in 10 years and at higher speeds. Old woods folks probably said the same thing when the first metal woods came out 🤣

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On 1/19/2021 at 8:59 AM, dski said:

For how much they care about face performance you would think the backside milling would be cleaner.  I'd think the ridges would impact face flex.

 

On 1/19/2021 at 9:43 AM, jlukes said:

I’m sure their engineering team took that into account with the design. 

I'd venture to guess the "ribs" provide some additional structure and support, while minimizing weight

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3 hours ago, Lacassem said:

I am sure the R&D that went into the this development had more swings than any of us will swing in 10 years and at higher speeds. Old woods folks probably said the same thing when the first metal woods came out 🤣

Hope you're right!  I'd love to be wrong.  But the moment I saw CF on the top and bottom with a metal shell around it, engineering wise I would worry about structural integrity.  I mean, those same engineers ensured that the golf balls would all be designed to be perfectly round, centered cores, etc... and we saw how that went.  Human factor always comes into play. 

I'd hope I'm just being pessimistic, that's the honest truth but....

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15 hours ago, BNewton51 said:

Hope you're right!  I'd love to be wrong.  But the moment I saw CF on the top and bottom with a metal shell around it, engineering wise I would worry about structural integrity.  I mean, those same engineers ensured that the golf balls would all be designed to be perfectly round, centered cores, etc... and we saw how that went.  Human factor always comes into play. 

I'd hope I'm just being pessimistic, that's the honest truth but....

The engineers designed the ball... they didn't design the lack of QA in the ball factory.

You're ignoring a lot of existing technology that shares the same concept, as well as the fact that there is nothing to support your assumption.

I'm looking at my Cobra Speedzone Xtreme driver right now.. It's got a CNC milled face, a carbon crown that wraps around the sides of the head and is bonded to a titanium (what I'm going to call) 'T-plate'. The 'T-plate' is also bonded to the CNC milled face.
The SIM was carbon/steel/titanium construction, the M6 was carbon/titanium/steel. Callaway's are carbon/titanium/steel. Nearly every manufacturer uses a driver head that is part carbon, part steel that is bonded together. There is literally nothing that supports your assumption of the "Shell" having any structural integrity issues.

This is all not to mention that carbon fibre is FAR more resilient than steel and has nearly equal strength to weight properties to titanium, whilst being far easy to make into unique shapes.

In summary;

  • Carbon fibre is not weak. It is as strong or stronger than any other material used in nearly every driver head.
  • Every driver on the market is constructed of multiple materials that are bonded together to form the head.
  • Taylormade engineers are smarter than you and I when it comes to designing golf clubs.
  • Unfounded statements, based purely on assumption, like your first comment, aren't warranted or needed.
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4 hours ago, ryanokeefe said:

The engineers designed the ball... they didn't design the lack of QA in the ball factory.

You're ignoring a lot of existing technology that shares the same concept, as well as the fact that there is nothing to support your assumption.

I'm looking at my Cobra Speedzone Xtreme driver right now.. It's got a CNC milled face, a carbon crown that wraps around the sides of the head and is bonded to a titanium (what I'm going to call) 'T-plate'. The 'T-plate' is also bonded to the CNC milled face.
The SIM was carbon/steel/titanium construction, the M6 was carbon/titanium/steel. Callaway's are carbon/titanium/steel. Nearly every manufacturer uses a driver head that is part carbon, part steel that is bonded together. There is literally nothing that supports your assumption of the "Shell" having any structural integrity issues.

When TM lightens 

This is all not to mention that carbon fibre is FAR more resilient than steel and has nearly equal strength to weight properties to titanium, whilst being far easy to make into unique shapes.

In summary;

  • Carbon fibre is not weak. It is as strong or stronger than any other material used in nearly every driver head.
  • Every driver on the market is constructed of multiple materials that are bonded together to form the head.
  • Taylormade engineers are smarter than you and I when it comes to designing golf clubs.
  • Unfounded statements, based purely on assumption, like your first comment, aren't warranted or needed.

Don't disagree with you Ryan, at all.  As I said in the last post I would be more worried about the human factor and quality control.  I'm sure their engineering models and construction theories are all sound.  BUT, when it comes to the output and production of said products there is always an amount of human factor one has to consider and that's where the failures (If there are any) would come in to play.  That would in turn create a scenario where the product gets called faulty. 

So while I jest about them blowing up like a grenade, there is some truth in I'd have major concerns over how this will be produced and what failures will be caused by that. 

Thanks for the input though.  Great depth to the info you mentioned!

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8 minutes ago, BNewton51 said:

Don't disagree with you Ryan, at all.  As I said in the last post I would be more worried about the human factor and quality control.  I'm sure their engineering models and construction theories are all sound.  BUT, when it comes to the output and production of said products there is always an amount of human factor one has to consider and that's where the failures (If there are any) would come in to play.  That would in turn create a scenario where the product gets called faulty. 

So while I jest about them blowing up like a grenade, there is some truth in I'd have major concerns over how this will be produced and what failures will be caused by that. 

Thanks for the input though.  Great depth to the info you mentioned!

I think you missed the part about basically every other driver being constructed in the same way. If you have major concerns about the Sim 2's construction, you should have/had major concerns about a lot of other drivers. Particularly the Cobra Speedzone.

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I hit one of these yesterday and am intrigued.  It produced very consistent results for me.  My M3 I'm playing now produces around 175 mph on avg, launches at 12.3 avg, and spins around 2200.  It's a bomber with this AD-HD shaft.  The Sim2 Max is what I tested, ball speeds were 1 mph slower, but it launched at 14.1 avg and spin around 1900.  Carry distances were almost identical.

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