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Earlier this morning I was at a local driving range, and the temp was -1c.

with the combination of battered range balls and low temps, will it make a big difference for ball flight and distance compared to say..a pro v1 on a summers day?

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Absolutely.

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Crazy difference comparing the two. 

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There will always be a difference even at the same temperature.  Range balls are typically 80-85% distance of regular balls.

However, if your swing speed is less than 75mph, then probably not.

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2 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

There will always be a difference even at the same temperature.  Range balls are typically 80-85% distance of regular balls.

However, if your swing speed is less than 75mph, then probably not.

I've read various articles on this to include a robot test (cannot recall source) and they seem to average 10-15% less.  Has anyone seen a report comparing mfg./model practice balls?  We've all probably seen the "limited distance" logo balls at one point - I wonder how limited they get?  

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 I’ve actually seen range balls fly farther than normal because they come out at a high launch (no gear force from compression) with no drag (low spin), basically hitting moon balls like a long drive competition. When it’s that cold though you are probably going to hit low knuckle balls. Either way definitely not good for measuring anything other than strike, path, and clubhead speed. On days like that I work mostly on short game with my game ball, or strike drills trying to hit different areas of the face. 

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41 minutes ago, zrumble said:

 I’ve actually seen range balls fly farther than normal because they come out at a high launch (no gear force from compression) with no drag (low spin), basically hitting moon balls like a long drive competition. When it’s that cold though you are probably going to hit low knuckle balls. Either way definitely not good for measuring anything other than strike, path, and clubhead speed. On days like that I work mostly on short game with my game ball, or strike drills trying to hit different areas of the face. 

I've never experienced range balls fly further but definitely had the knuckleballs.

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I know I don't swing the same when it's freezing and when it's warm due to the clothes I am wearing and stiffness in the cold. 

The cold range ball will feel harder too

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It’s strange, I hit my crushed 7-8 iron almost as much as a 5-6 iron? There seems to be a lot of drop off. Can that also be a factor of the balls? Or Should I be looking into my swing more?

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6 minutes ago, Zeebedy said:

It’s strange, I hit my crushed 7-8 iron almost as much as a 5-6 iron? There seems to be a lot of drop off. Can that also be a factor of the balls? Or Should I be looking into my swing more?

Tough to say for sure, there's certainly a world in which the range balls aren't spinning enough off the long irons and they are dive bombing out of the air and losing distance that you would typically see with a "gamer" ball.

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This is something I've actually spent way too much time looking into, and there's not a lot of information out there. Some useful sources:

Practical Golf - HOW DO RANGE BALLS PERFORM VS. PREMIUM GOLF BALLS?
https://practical-golf.com/range-golf-ball-versus-premium-ball/

Comparing a Snell MTB Black to a Pinnacle Practice ball and a Srixon Limited Distance practice ball, ball speed differences of 7-11 miles per hour were observed with the driver, and 4-7 MPH with 7 iron. There were non-negligible differences in launch angle and spin as well.

Today's GolferDriving range ball vs premium golf ball
https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2018/may/tested-range-ball-vs-premium-ball/

Their test of a TP5X versus a range ball revealed some of the oddities described by @zrumble. The range ball actually carried farther with a wedge in their test due to the considerably less spin rate. Moving to driver, the range ball was easily beaten by the TP5X, with a 6 MPH faster ball speed.

Golf Digest - Stripe it!
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gd-tested-range-balls

Their results comparing ProV1s and various range balls confirms that range balls are erratic in speed/distance from ball-to-ball, with some range balls equaling the carry of their premium counterparts while others fell ridiculously short.

Additionally, there used to be a PDF from Srixon floating around on the Internet that compared their range balls to other brands. I have it saved and have copied/pasted Srixon's chart below:

image.png.1d7c76e7707cfb91cb17cc34d87c8a67.png

Assuming the "optimal" launch conditions for their driver and 5 iron tests, you can see that they would fall short of what would be expected distances.

As far as weather goes, a good resource from Trackman: https://blog.trackmangolf.com/learn-weather-affect-ball-flight/

Some cliff notes that pertains to winter golf:

  • Greater air density results in shots that fly higher, land steeper and carry shorter
  • Higher humidity will cause the ball to fly further, as a result of decreased air density, although it is likely a negligible difference 
  • Going from 40* F to 100* F will have the greatest effect on distance due to the change in air density

image.png.970c73db11770e318a1dce5852d1b790.png

Also, the effect of ball temperatures has been looked at by TXG:

From a personal standpoint, my opinion is as follows:

Range balls very incredibly from ball-to-ball, even in new condition (I'm excited to see @Tony Covey MGS get the Pinnacle Practice balls into the MGS Ball Lab for this reason). Add in the wear-and-tear from hundreds, if not thousands of shots, and the variance will increase from ball-to-ball. I've found that well-worn range balls will not only knuckle, but will over-exaggerate ball movement, too.

In cold weather, also do not discredit how cold the balls themselves are after sitting on what is likely bare concrete while you work your way through a bucket.

I recently compared ball speeds from a long range session with crappy, cold balls to my most recent lesson with decent, although well-used, premium balls. During that range session, my 9 iron rarely exceed 114 MPH ball speed. During my lesson, I hit that number easily despite not warming up much. So there is obviously a difference between a range ball/premium ball. 

Of course, as you can see from everything I've researched, trying to pin point an exact number would be pretty tough/foolish.

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so dispersion is also enhanced with poorer / worn range balls. That’s good to know my snap hook isn’t as bad then. 🤣

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When it comes to distance, I wouldn't pay much attention to what range balls do regardless of weather. There just is no comparison to a quality, non-limited flight, golf ball like you'd use on the course. Unless the ball is traveling severely (and routinely) offline, I wouldn't let a range ball's flight be the determining factor in whether or not I need to work on my swing. If impact and turf interaction are good, the ball starts online, and hits the approximate window you'd like to see, don't worry about the rest.

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2 minutes ago, Zeebedy said:

@edingc

so dispersion is also enhanced with poorer / worn range balls. That’s good to know my snap hook isn’t as bad then. 🤣

Yup. The purpose of the dimples is to stabilize the flight of the ball. If your range is like mine, they have several balls with worn off dimples and/or hairline cracks that can make ball flight erratic.

I'd liken it to a poorly made paper airplane. If one of the wings is bent, it isn't going to fly straight. 🤣

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Cheers for the replies guys, I will try and ignore the distance aspects..and concentrate on getting the ball straight! 😝

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4 hours ago, edingc said:

This is something I've actually spent way too much time looking into, and there's not a lot of information out there. Some useful sources:

Practical Golf - HOW DO RANGE BALLS PERFORM VS. PREMIUM GOLF BALLS?
https://practical-golf.com/range-golf-ball-versus-premium-ball/

Comparing a Snell MTB Black to a Pinnacle Practice ball and a Srixon Limited Distance practice ball, ball speed differences of 7-11 miles per hour were observed with the driver, and 4-7 MPH with 7 iron. There were non-negligible differences in launch angle and spin as well.

Today's GolferDriving range ball vs premium golf ball
https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2018/may/tested-range-ball-vs-premium-ball/

Their test of a TP5X versus a range ball revealed some of the oddities described by @ZMendle10. The range ball actually carried farther with a wedge in their test due to the considerably less spin rate. Moving to driver, the range ball was easily beaten by the TP5X, with a 6 MPH faster ball speed.

Golf Digest - Stripe it!
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gd-tested-range-balls

Their results comparing ProV1s and various range balls confirms that range balls are erratic in speed/distance from ball-to-ball, with some range balls equaling the carry of their premium counterparts while others fell ridiculously short.

Additionally, there used to be a PDF from Srixon floating around on the Internet that compared their range balls to other brands. I have it saved and have copied/pasted Srixon's chart below:

image.png.1d7c76e7707cfb91cb17cc34d87c8a67.png

Assuming the "optimal" launch conditions for their driver and 5 iron tests, you can see that they would fall short of what would be expected distances.

As far as weather goes, a good resource from Trackman: https://blog.trackmangolf.com/learn-weather-affect-ball-flight/

Some cliff notes that pertains to winter golf:

  • Greater air density results in shots that fly higher, land steeper and carry shorter
  • Higher humidity will cause the ball to fly further, as a result of decreased air density, although it is likely a negligible difference 
  • Going from 40* F to 100* F will have the greatest effect on distance due to the change in air density

image.png.970c73db11770e318a1dce5852d1b790.png

Also, the effect of ball temperatures has been looked at by TXG:

From a personal standpoint, my opinion is as follows:

Range balls very incredibly from ball-to-ball, even in new condition (I'm excited to see @Tony Covey MGS get the Pinnacle Practice balls into the MGS Ball Lab for this reason). Add in the wear-and-tear from hundreds, if not thousands of shots, and the variance will increase from ball-to-ball. I've found that well-worn range balls will not only knuckle, but will over-exaggerate ball movement, too.

In cold weather, also do not discredit how cold the balls themselves are after sitting on what is likely bare concrete while you work your way through a bucket.

I recently compared ball speeds from a long range session with crappy, cold balls to my most recent lesson with decent, although well-used, premium balls. During that range session, my 9 iron rarely exceed 114 MPH ball speed. During my lesson, I hit that number easily despite not warming up much. So there is obviously a difference between a range ball/premium ball. 

Of course, as you can see from everything I've researched, trying to pin point an exact number would be pretty tough/foolish.

You might have tagged the wrong person. I haven't done an experiment on cold temperatures and the effect of golf ball flight. I also don't play a Taylormade golf ball.

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26 minutes ago, ZMendle10 said:

You might have tagged the wrong person. I haven't done an experiment on cold temperatures and the effect of golf ball flight. I also don't play a Taylormade golf ball.

Hah, you are correct. My apologies. Edited my post...

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6 hours ago, Zeebedy said:

It’s strange, I hit my crushed 7-8 iron almost as much as a 5-6 iron? There seems to be a lot of drop off. Can that also be a factor of the balls? Or Should I be looking into my swing more?

That is a loaded question ❓

My experience is that my gaps from club to club do not drastically change with range balls (in good condition). Range balls may not fly as far, but they usually remain relatively consistent from club to club. 

People who struggle with longer irons not flying much farther than mid irons are usually having a combination of issues from poor impact (off-center), not enough club head speed, poor attack angle (too steep), thin strikes (trying to lift), and fat shots, etc. 

Hybrids help some golfers with those issues by increasing club head speed (lighter graphite shafts that are longer than irons), oversized face compared irons have larger sweet spots, lower center of gravity helps get the ball airborne more easily (all in theory based on getting fit or finding the right club for you). 

I wouldn't blame range balls for not being able to carry your 5-6 irons unless you experience no problem with those clubs and your normal game ball??? 

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