edingc Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Have to share the major fails that come along with DIY. Frustrated right now, but oh well. (Lesson learned, been kind of a rough day anyway, should not have done club work while not having my heart in it 100 percent.) I'm still waiting on the rest of the shafts to arrive, but on Monday I pulled the 4 iron head from the MMT and yesterday I re-installed with one of the new BB&F Co. ferrules. First problem, I had a very, very hard time setting the ferrule to the correct depth. In the past I've just used the club head once everything was coated with epoxy and pushed it on. The ferrule was so tight I couldn't get the head on fully and I ended up making a huge mess of epoxy and ruining a shim before I got smart and used a heat gun to coax the ferrule down more. I let the epoxy cure for 24 hours and was really happy with how everything was looking. I mentioned I purchased a Harbor Freight 1"x30" sander to help finish the ferrules. I picked up the Scotchbrite type of belt from Golfworks for the tool, and practiced yesterday on a few test clubs. I only had to trim a tiny bit of ferrule for this build, so I made a quick pass on the 4 iron and was pretty happy with myself. Should have gone to the acetone and called it good. But, no. Wasn't happy with a tiny section. Went back to the sander to even it out and apparently put way too much pressure on the ferrule. Took way too much off and came out looking like sh--. I'm not going to pull the shaft again. Maybe next winter. It's fine for now. But frustrating. Just had to vent a bit. GolfSpy MPR, SlowNLow, Vegan_Golfer_PNW and 2 others 5 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, edingc said: Have to share the major fails that come along with DIY. Frustrated right now, but oh well. (Lesson learned, been kind of a rough day anyway, should not have done club work while not having my heart in it 100 percent.) I'm still waiting on the rest of the shafts to arrive, but on Monday I pulled the 4 iron head from the MMT and yesterday I re-installed with one of the new BB&F Co. ferrules. First problem, I had a very, very hard time setting the ferrule to the correct depth. In the past I've just used the club head once everything was coated with epoxy and pushed it on. The ferrule was so tight I couldn't get the head on fully and I ended up making a huge mess of epoxy and ruining a shim before I got smart and used a heat gun to coax the ferrule down more. I let the epoxy cure for 24 hours and was really happy with how everything was looking. I mentioned I purchased a Harbor Freight 1"x30" sander to help finish the ferrules. I picked up the Scotchbrite type of belt from Golfworks for the tool, and practiced yesterday on a few test clubs. I only had to trim a tiny bit of ferrule for this build, so I made a quick pass on the 4 iron and was pretty happy with myself. Should have gone to the acetone and called it good. But, no. Wasn't happy with a tiny section. Went back to the sander to even it out and apparently put way too much pressure on the ferrule. Took way too much off and came out looking like sh--. I'm not going to pull the shaft again. Maybe next winter. It's fine for now. But frustrating. Just had to vent a bit. It's a learning moment, plus you were tired. The ferrules look fantastic with the head and the shaft, you definitely made the right choice sticking with this color combination. Love it! edingc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 24 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said: It's a learning moment, plus you were tired. The ferrules look fantastic with the head and the shaft, you definitely made the right choice sticking with this color combination. Love it! Yup. Just one of those days. I am thrilled with the color combo, and now I know what not to do on the rest of them. Thanks for the comments! sirchunksalot 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Might be useful to you, might not: when I have a ferrule that I try on and find it snug, I'll ream it out a bit inside with a round file to open it up some. BNewton51, SlowNLow, edingc and 1 other 4 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:16 AM, edingc said: Glad to hear a vote for the Recoils. Looking at reviews, cost and considering my past experience, I think I've narrowed my searching down to: Mitsubishi MMT UST Recoil KBS TGI While I was fit for the Steelfibers, I've read (in the 110 weight especially) that they can be a pain to swingweight. The only other intriguing and widely available option I've found is the Project X Catalyst 100s, but some of the reviews of those say they play and feel like PX steel, of which I'm not a fan. Recoil would be the cheapest option. TGI would probably be a good fit because I get along with the Tour well. I'm currently enamored with the MMT because in the Callaway demo 7 iron, I saw increases in launch angle, height, spin and carry and it felt really nice. More muted than steel, but I could still easily know where on the face I hit the ball. Very stable, too. Not in the same swing weight as you, but I really liked the MMT 80R shafts and they are my #1 pick at this point in the new irons project. They performed really close to the Accra - which by many accounts are the gold standard for composite shafts. MMT's tapered versions are the odd number series and have a gloss black finish. I also found the OTi shafts pretty competitive as well. edingc 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 10:51 AM, edingc said: Saved money and spent it on more clubs. Degenerate club ho status confirmed Hey, you could be spending that money and time in a dark, dingy bar with nothing to show for the investment . edingc 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 You really have me considering graphite in my irons now. beautiful work so far!! Have you thought about going MMT in woods and hybrids now too keep the same feel? I presume that is one benefit to going graphite in irons. The MMTs look total badass. twyatt700 and edingc 2 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 13 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Might be useful to you, might not: when I have a ferrule that I try on and find it snug, I'll ream it out a bit inside with a round file to open it up some. I have a .370 reamer that I ran up about halfway through the ferrule, but the top of the ferrule was pretty thin already and didn't dare take much more out. Had it in hot water before, too, and used some epoxy as lubricant. Just was a tough bugger. Now that I know, I'll have the heat gun at the ready . I'd much prefer it too tight, I suppose. Less likely to creep up when combined with the little bit of epoxy underneath. 1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said: Not in the same swing weight as you, but I really liked the MMT 80R shafts and they are my #1 pick at this point in the new irons project. They performed really close to the Accra - which by many accounts are the gold standard for composite shafts. MMT's tapered versions are the odd number series and have a gloss black finish. I also found the OTi shafts pretty competitive as well. I hit the MMT 95 Taper in the Apex Forged heads. When I first got back into golf seriously a few years back I started with KBS Tour 90s, so I'm no stranger to lightweight shafts. But I really loved the MMT 105s and am so happy I tried them. They feel really nice, no hint of wobbliness or anything like that. 1 hour ago, rbsiedsc said: You really have me considering graphite in my irons now. beautiful work so far!! Have you thought about going MMT in woods and hybrids now too keep the same feel? I presume that is one benefit to going graphite in irons. The MMTs look total badass. Thanks. These are going to look really sharp when they're all together, my crap ferrule work on the 4 iron not withstanding... Logically, I think the MMT will get a go in my 4 hybrid once they are readily available for purchase. I can't find them anywhere online at the moment. I could see myself picking up a 19 degree utility just to have and would stick an MMT in that, too. I don't think I'll change from the Pro Orange in the Super Hybrid (great feeling shaft), and the Rogue White in the Mavrik feels fantastic, too. I really do intend to keep this current bag setup, minus maybe a new shaft in the 4 hybrid or another hybrid there and new wedges, for a while. It's fun tinkering but I really want to see if I can get my handicap lower and shoot in the 70s consistently. I also really want a Skytrak so I need to save at least a bit of money before I can convince the wife that we should pony up the cash for one. GolfSpy MPR and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, edingc said: I hit the MMT 95 Taper in the Apex Forged heads. When I first got back into golf seriously a few years back I started with KBS Tour 90s, so I'm no stranger to lightweight shafts. But I really loved the MMT 105s and am so happy I tried them. They feel really nice, no hint of wobbliness or anything like that. Agree. At my swing speed, the composite shafts do not feel that much different than comparable steel shafts. None felt whippy - in fact the Steelfiber i80 felt downright broomstick like to me. edingc 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 @sirchunksalot - Appreciate the kind words the other night after my belt sander screw up. I couldn't let myself leave such an awkward ferrule in the bag so I pulled it apart yesterday and tried again. Much better results this time. (Since the Scotchbrite belts don't harm the club, I found that using the top of the hosel as a guide and pressing that into the belt worked really well. I was able to shave off the ferrule the perfect amount and not go past.) First club done. With the larger ferrule it's closer to D5 than D4. I'll have to give them all a swing, but I may be looking at shaving an 1/8" or so from the length depending on my results just to keep the swingweight a little lower. I received shipping notifications for my remaining orders and should have all of the remaining shafts I need to complete the set by the end of next week. sirchunksalot, Vegan_Golfer_PNW and tschott4 2 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowNLow Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 9:05 PM, GolfSpy MPR said: Might be useful to you, might not: when I have a ferrule that I try on and find it snug, I'll ream it out a bit inside with a round file to open it up some. On 2/3/2021 at 5:42 PM, edingc said: Have to share the major fails that come along with DIY. Frustrated right now, but oh well. (Lesson learned, been kind of a rough day anyway, should not have done club work while not having my heart in it 100 percent.) I'm still waiting on the rest of the shafts to arrive, but on Monday I pulled the 4 iron head from the MMT and yesterday I re-installed with one of the new BB&F Co. ferrules. First problem, I had a very, very hard time setting the ferrule to the correct depth. In the past I've just used the club head once everything was coated with epoxy and pushed it on. The ferrule was so tight I couldn't get the head on fully and I ended up making a huge mess of epoxy and ruining a shim before I got smart and used a heat gun to coax the ferrule down more. I let the epoxy cure for 24 hours and was really happy with how everything was looking. I mentioned I purchased a Harbor Freight 1"x30" sander to help finish the ferrules. I picked up the Scotchbrite type of belt from Golfworks for the tool, and practiced yesterday on a few test clubs. I only had to trim a tiny bit of ferrule for this build, so I made a quick pass on the 4 iron and was pretty happy with myself. Should have gone to the acetone and called it good. But, no. Wasn't happy with a tiny section. Went back to the sander to even it out and apparently put way too much pressure on the ferrule. Took way too much off and came out looking like sh--. I'm not going to pull the shaft again. Maybe next winter. It's fine for now. But frustrating. Just had to vent a bit. Once I was re-shafting a set of irons and I used my dad's small belt sander with a linen belt from Golfworks and yes the I carved up a few ferrules, quickly. (Had no idea how to use it and still don't. ) And then I had to pull shaft, clean up the head and the shaft tip again, re-glue, etc. felt very small and ashamed. There are some videos on Youtube, turning ferrules with a belt sander and a linen belt. Those guys are good. Not me. Now I use a linen belt but I do it by hand, it takes longer but I can control it much better. Tape the iron hosel, and use the hosel as a stop. Move the belt over one side of the ferrule using a stroke like a how shoe shine guy buffs the top of a shoe. Then rotate the club and "buff" some more. Then acetone it, polish with a cotton ball. Works ok. BTW the club design looks great, nice job. edingc and BKordon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, SlowNLow said: Once I was re-shafting a set of irons and I used my dad's small belt sander with a linen belt from Golfworks and yes the I carved up a few ferrules, quickly. (Had no idea how to use it and still don't. ) And then I had to pull shaft, clean up the head and the shaft tip again, re-glue, etc. felt very small and ashamed. There are some videos on Youtube, turning ferrules with a belt sander and a linen belt. Those guys are good. Not me. Now I use a linen belt but I do it by hand, it takes longer but I can control it much better. Tape the iron hosel, and use the hosel as a stop. Move the belt over one side of the ferrule using a stroke like a how shoe shine guy buffs the top of a shoe. Then rotate the club and "buff" some more. Then acetone it, polish with a cotton ball. Works ok. BTW the club design looks great, nice job. Thanks! I didn't really think about doing it by hand with the belt. In the past I've used a small file and various grits of sand paper. Key for me this time around with the acetone was to buy the "Kimwipes" Golfworks sells. They are thin like tissue paper, but they don't let off any lint and leave a nice shine. sirchunksalot and BKordon 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowNLow Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, edingc said: Thanks! I didn't really think about doing it by hand with the belt. In the past I've used a small file and various grits of sand paper. Key for me this time around with the acetone was to buy the "Kimwipes" Golfworks sells. They are thin like tissue paper, but they don't let off any lint and leave a nice shine. Thanks, I got to check these out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 Shafts came in today and yesterday, and I did some work both nights to get them put together. No pictures yet as they are still curing. All in all, the build went reasonably smooth. I didn't make any mistakes cutting the shafts (my first worry at $75 each), and after I got 2-3 clubs down the rest went pretty quick. The biggest trouble came fitting the .355 tapered MMTs properly into the .370 hosels. I've built two sets with the Golfworks shims prior to this and had no issues, but there was enough variance in both the hosels of the Sub70s and shaft tip diameters of the MMTs that a few irons required only 1/2 a shim, and the pitching wedge actually didn't require one at all. I'm glad I bought extra ferrules as I cracked one from the pressure of putting it on. I got a good handle on using the heat gun to get them to slide down easier, and I'd say 6/9 are perfect. I accidently "mushroomed" the bottom of two of them from too much heat/force but they will clean up fine with the sander and acetone. Another one I set a tiny bit too deep so there was a 1/64" gap, but since I use black epoxy I filled it and hopefully can buff it away with the sander. I'm obviously not completely out of the woods yet as I still need to finish them on the belt sander (which already has gone poorly once). My Cobra MIM Black wedges, which are .355 taper tip, were by far the easiest since there was no shim required and everything just fit together perfectly. It appears the MMTs are ever so slightly tip heavy, confirming some of the reports I've seen on other sites. The Sub70s all swing weighted out to D5. I do not account for grip cap length in my lengths, so for many OEMs they would probably be D4 or slightly less. They all were +/- one swing weight from D5, so from a tolerance perspective they turned out well. Both Cobra wedges built out to be slightly heavier at D6.5, with the 54 degree wedge at 35.5" and the 58 degree at 35.25". MattF, BKordon and ejgaudette 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Looking forward to the pictures and sounds like some great work. Looking forward to see how they play for you. Did you play to standard graphite length or traditional, they seem more traditional. BKordon and edingc 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 9 hours ago, ejgaudette said: Looking forward to the pictures and sounds like some great work. Looking forward to see how they play for you. Did you play to standard graphite length or traditional, they seem more traditional. They match traditional steel lengths and Sub70's stock steel lengths. An overlength or standard graphite length set of the MMTs would swing weight out quite heavy. BKordon and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 The clubs look great and even better the performance numbers look fantastic. Regarding the ferrule install, I use a T shaped tool I got a couple decades ago from either Golfsmith or Golfworks and it works well even for tight fitting ferrules. The shaft / ferrule goes in the predrilled hole and pushing on the end of the tool sets the ferrule to an approx depth on the shaft. The ferrule depth is close but is never as deep as it needs to be so I dry fit the shaft in the hosel and tap the end of the shaft to get the exact depth for the ferrule. You can feel/hear when the shaft bottoms out. Then I remove the shaft from the clubhead & do the epoxy process. edingc, sirchunksalot and BKordon 3 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, edingc said: They match traditional steel lengths and Sub70's stock steel lengths. An overlength or standard graphite length set of the MMTs would swing weight out quite heavy. Yeah that's what I was thinking given you are in the 113 gram TX version. BKordon and edingc 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Everything is cured, ferrules are turned and shined with acetone. Painter's tape is on in preparation for grips. Hopefully the weather gets up into the 20s again tomorrow so I can work in the garage for a bit with the air compressor. I didn't make any dire mistakes on the ferrules this time through. The epoxy filler in the gaps worked well, the sander turned down the slightly mushroomed ferrules perfectly, and I really only got a little too much off of the pitching wedge. But it's hardly noticeable, and after they get some bag wear they'll all blend in anyway. I stuck a split grip on the wedges and chipped for a bit in the basement. They felt excellent. Really looking forward to getting these on the course in the spring. ncwoz, BKordon, sirchunksalot and 2 others 5 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, edingc said: Everything is cured, ferrules are turned and shined with acetone. Painter's tape is on in preparation for grips. Hopefully the weather gets up into the 20s again tomorrow so I can work in the garage for a bit with the air compressor. I didn't make any dire mistakes on the ferrules this time through. The epoxy filler in the gaps worked well, the sander turned down the slightly mushroomed ferrules perfectly, and I really only got a little too much off of the pitching wedge. But it's hardly noticeable, and after they get some bag wear they'll all blend in anyway. I stuck a split grip on the wedges and chipped for a bit in the basement. They felt excellent. Really looking forward to getting these on the course in the spring. Those are looking fantastic and I hope the weather tomorrow is favorable tomorrow and you can get out and put the grips on them. edingc and BKordon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post edingc Posted February 12, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 Done. (Brought the vice and air compressor inside at lunch because it was way too cold to be standing around outside for more than just a few pictures.) Absolutely thrilled with how these turned out. Thanks to everyone who has been reading and commenting in this thread. Now, to hit them! Shapotomous, ejgaudette, vandyland and 7 others 5 5 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCDuffer Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Nice! BKordon and edingc 2 Quote TSi2 Driver, Titleist TSi2 4 Wood, Ping G410 3 Hybrid, Ping G400 4 Hybrid, Maltby TS1 5-GW, Maltby Max Milled 54, Maltby Max Milled 58, Piretti Forza. Some folks say golf messes up a nice walk. That’s not true, golf makes a nice walk bearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, edingc said: Done. (Brought the vice and air compressor inside at lunch because it was way too cold to be standing around outside for more than just a few pictures.) Absolutely thrilled with how these turned out. Thanks to everyone who has been reading and commenting in this thread. Now, to hit them! These photos are going to need a warning, NSFW. That would be Not Safe For Wife (to see). You did a phenomenal job putting those together and I'm honestly sad you can't go out and play a round with them right now. Thank you for sharing the experience with us. edingc, Shapotomous, BKordon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 I got a chance to get out to the range this morning with a few of the Sub70s. No heads flew off so I'm off to a good start! I ran some comparisons on the 5, 8 and 9 irons compared to the last time I hit those clubs with my old bag. I didn't remove any bad shots this time around, so I think the variance is a little higher than the last comparison I did. Similar results as I saw with the 4 iron two weeks ago. Better club speed, ball speed, height and distance versus the equivalent iron from my previous set. I'm very pleased with these MMT shafts. They feel very, very good. And anecdotally I seem to have eliminated some of my left hook miss, though that could be my lessons and not the clubs. MattF, Vegan_Golfer_PNW, BKordon and 5 others 8 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I haven't commented much just because club-building is very foreign to me...I'm extremely interested but frankly am probably too intimidated to wade into that pool. But, damn you did a nice job. Look like beautiful sticks and I'm sure the pics don't even do them justice, and I'm glad to see they're performing too. Between the clubs and your swing progress I'm excited for your upcoming season. I wonder, just thinking out loud, if considering the blue stripes on the ferrule if a matching blue paint fill might be in order on the back of the club? Like I said, just a thought. edingc, BKordon and MattF 3 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 19 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said: I haven't commented much just because club-building is very foreign to me...I'm extremely interested but frankly am probably too intimidated to wade into that pool. But, damn you did a nice job. Look like beautiful sticks and I'm sure the pics don't even do them justice, and I'm glad to see they're performing too. Between the clubs and your swing progress I'm excited for your upcoming season. I wonder, just thinking out loud, if considering the blue stripes on the ferrule if a matching blue paint fill might be in order on the back of the club? Like I said, just a thought. Thanks! Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how these turned out. The ferrules are not 100 percent perfect, but I'm sure after a few rounds of going in and out of the bag they'll get a little dinged up anyway and be just fine. I hear you about being intimidated. There are some very smart clubmakers out there that are way more well-equipped than me. I get by with about $150-$200 worth of Harbor Freight tools, a cheap Golfworks swing weight scale and a few specialty things like .370 reamers from Golfworks. But, I've built my last two iron sets and saved some decent cash doing it both times, not to mention there is quite a bit of satisfaction from putting them together yourself. I've thought about switching the paint fill, but for now I'm going to keep it the same. If I start to lose some from the bottom I may consider blue in the future. sirchunksalot, Shapotomous, BKordon and 1 other 4 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 1:07 PM, edingc said: Done. (Brought the vice and air compressor inside at lunch because it was way too cold to be standing around outside for more than just a few pictures.) Absolutely thrilled with how these turned out. Thanks to everyone who has been reading and commenting in this thread. Now, to hit them! Those look great Edin, nice job! Which Lamkin grips are those? I'm getting the MMT80 shafts (matte black w/same graphics) and you just confirmed how nice gray goes with them. Plan on GP New Decade Plus 4 Midsize gray, but maybe these? BKordon, sirchunksalot and edingc 3 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Those look great Edin, nice job! Which Lamkin grips are those? I'm getting the MMT80 shafts (matte black w/same graphics) and you just confirmed how nice gray goes with them. Plan on GP New Decade Plus 4 Midsize gray, but maybe these? Thanks! The grips are Lamkin Sonar Tours. I really like the texture, nice blend between tacky/firm. It seems to encourage me to take a nice light and even hold without fear of losing my grip. They are traditional taper though, so you'd need to have the grips built up with tape to get +4 size on the bottom hand. The regular Lamkin Sonars are less tapered (closer to a +4), but they only come in black/blue and not gray, unfortunately. azstu324, fixyurdivot, BKordon and 1 other 4 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, edingc said: They are traditional taper though, so you'd need to have the grips built up with tape to get +4 size on the bottom hand. The regular Lamkin Sonars are less tapered (closer to a +4), but they only come in black/blue and not gray, unfortunately. The normal Sonars are also a good bit softer than the Tours, at least to my feel sirchunksalot, edingc and BKordon 3 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, edingc said: Thanks! The grips are Lamkin Sonar Tours. I really like the texture, nice blend between tacky/firm. It seems to encourage me to take a nice light and even hold without fear of losing my grip. They are traditional taper though, so you'd need to have the grips built up with tape to get +4 size on the bottom hand. The regular Lamkin Sonars are less tapered (closer to a +4), but they only come in black/blue and not gray, unfortunately. They look great but I don't want blue. I think these will be a good option. Not sure how the Plus 4 will work but, based on lots of reviews/feedback here on the forum, suspect they will....worth a try anyway. So back to your foray into custom club building, do you have any special loft/lie equipment or just pretty much order to spec and assemble? I built custom flyrods for many years and loved doing it. Lots of commonalities between that and golf club assembly... well pretty close anyway. Your thread has me thinking about giving this a try. Guess I should spend some time pouring through the clubsmith sub forum thread and see what horror stories await . edingc and BKordon 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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