azstu324 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Thanks! The grips are Lamkin Sonar Tours. I really like the texture, nice blend between tacky/firm. It seems to encourage me to take a nice light and even hold without fear of losing my grip. They are traditional taper though, so you'd need to have the grips built up with tape to get +4 size on the bottom hand. The regular Lamkin Sonars are less tapered (closer to a +4), but they only come in black/blue and not gray, unfortunately.Great choice for grips! I've had these on my woods and hybrid for a little while and am about to do the rest of my set with them. Killer build man! the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get.. edingc and BKordon 1 1 Quote PXG 0311 Gen 5 9°/ Fujikura MotoreX F1 6X F6 3 Wood 14* / Kuro Kage Silver 65X F8 6 wood 20* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S RADSpeed Hybrid 24* TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle TSW Wedge - 56/12 EAS 1.0 / Grip master 2.0 MAXFLI Tour CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 11:16 AM, fixyurdivot said: So back to your foray into custom club building, do you have any special loft/lie equipment or just pretty much order to spec and assemble? I built custom flyrods for many years and loved doing it. Lots of commonalities between that and golf club assembly... well pretty close anyway. Your thread has me thinking about giving this a try. I just realized I never responded to this. I don't have a loft/lie machine. They are quite expensive for good ones, and unless I was doing work for other people or buying cheap components that may be out of spec, I'd probably use it maybe once a year? The closest shop near me charges $30 to do loft/lie on an entire set, and the shop I frequent the range at in the winter actually bent my wedges for me last weekend for no charge. In the case of the Sub70s, I had them bend the irons one degree flat before shipping, which they did at no charge as well. I would say, if you order quality components and don't need everything built to exacting specs, club work at home isn't too big of a deal. I'm happy to get my irons within a swing weight point on either side of a general target (D4-D6 seems to be a sweet spot for my irons), and my shaft cuts are consistent but probably up to 1/8" in either direction of target. I use a homemade club length ruler, and the only "professional" measurement tool I have is the cheapest manually swing weight scale Golfworks sells. The best tool I've invested in is an air nozzle to put grips on with the air compressor. It is so much cleaner and easier than dealing with tape and solvent. I think, given enough time, I may one day invest in a digital swing weight scale but I'm unsure if I'd spend more on other devices. Hopefully, these irons stay in my bag for a few years, and maybe next time I will go the route of larger OEM. BKordon, sirchunksalot and fixyurdivot 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, edingc said: I just realized I never responded to this. I don't have a loft/lie machine. They are quite expensive for good ones, and unless I was doing work for other people or buying cheap components that may be out of spec, I'd probably use it maybe once a year? The closest shop near me charges $30 to do loft/lie on an entire set, and the shop I frequent the range at in the winter actually bent my wedges for me last weekend for no charge. In the case of the Sub70s, I had them bend the irons one degree flat before shipping, which they did at no charge as well. I would say, if you order quality components and don't need everything built to exacting specs, club work at home isn't too big of a deal. I'm happy to get my irons within a swing weight point on either side of a general target (D4-D6 seems to be a sweet spot for my irons), and my shaft cuts are consistent but probably up to 1/8" in either direction of target. I use a homemade club length ruler, and the only "professional" measurement tool I have is the cheapest manually swing weight scale Golfworks sells. The best tool I've invested in is an air nozzle to put grips on with the air compressor. It is so much cleaner and easier than dealing with tape and solvent. I think, given enough time, I may one day invest in a digital swing weight scale but I'm unsure if I'd spend more on other devices. Hopefully, these irons stay in my bag for a few years, and maybe next time I will go the route of larger OEM. That makes sense on the lie/loft equipment - for sure if building for yourself and know your specs. As a start, I think I'll invest in the nozzle for the air compressor. What make/model did you get? I'm guilty of holding out too long getting grips changed. Plus, this is a great thing to have and skill to develop to help out friends. "Grips for Beer LLC" immediately comes to mind . BKordon, sirchunksalot and ncwoz 2 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: That makes sense on the lie/loft equipment - for sure if building for yourself and know your specs. As a start, I think I'll invest in the nozzle for the air compressor. What make/model did you get? I'm guilty of holding out too long getting grips changed. Plus, this is a great thing to have and skill to develop to help out friends. "Grips for Beer LLC" immediately comes to mind . I have something similar to this, but mine is a pistol grip: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Golf-Grip-Install-Air-Tool-All-Metal-Stubby-Gun-1-5-XL-Cup-fits-all-Grip-Sizes/281202176764?hash=item4178f4b2fc:g:V8UAAOxy4t1SeqJ~ The key is to use as low of air pressure as you can, and go slow. I've had good luck with all of the rubber grips I've tried, and so far have only ruined one of ~30 grips. I'm not sure how the hybrid grips with cord in them will handle the air. I still do keep tape and solvent around just in case. sirchunksalot and BKordon 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhammer Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Cody, Just read through this entire thread and really enjoyed you documenting your Sub70 club build. Nice work! BKordon, sirchunksalot and edingc 3 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKordon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I too just read the entire thread and all I can say is "well done" There is a certain amount of gratification building your own set of irons. Enjoy them. edingc 1 Quote Mizuno ST190, 9 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Black 6S Mizuno ST190, 14 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Black 7S Mizuno ST200 , 18 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Miura CB 301, 4 iron, Fujikura Ventus 9x Miura CB 301, 5-PW Nippon Modus 120S Miura K Grind, 52, 54 and 58, Nippon Modus 130s hand ground by Usher Golf Miura KM 006 LH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 20 hours ago, BKordon said: I too just read the entire thread and all I can say is "well done" There is a certain amount of gratification building your own set of irons. Enjoy them. On 2/22/2021 at 8:27 AM, Headhammer said: Cody, Just read through this entire thread and really enjoyed you documenting your Sub70 club build. Nice work! Appreciate the comments! This was a really fun build. I can't wait for the snow to melt and to get on the course. BKordon and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKordon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, edingc said: Appreciate the comments! This was a really fun build. I can't wait for the snow to melt and to get on the course. You and me both on the snow factor. The withdrawals are brutal this time of year. I wasn't able to get away today to sneak out and it's 58 in Fort Collins, CO. I can sneak away tomorrow and it's going to be 38 with flurries. ARGHHHHHH edingc and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Mizuno ST190, 9 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Black 6S Mizuno ST190, 14 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Black 7S Mizuno ST200 , 18 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Miura CB 301, 4 iron, Fujikura Ventus 9x Miura CB 301, 5-PW Nippon Modus 120S Miura K Grind, 52, 54 and 58, Nippon Modus 130s hand ground by Usher Golf Miura KM 006 LH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, BKordon said: You and me both on the snow factor. The withdrawals are brutal this time of year. I wasn't able to get away today to sneak out and it's 58 in Fort Collins, CO. I can sneak away tomorrow and it's going to be 38 with flurries. ARGHHHHHH I lived a couple of years in Casper and know the feeling. Fort Collins had year 'round golf for the most part. Casper not so much, unfortunately. BKordon and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKordon Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 51 minutes ago, edingc said: I lived a couple of years in Casper and know the feeling. Fort Collins had year 'round golf for the most part. Casper not so much, unfortunately. This year has been odd. Being in Laramie, with elevation of 7200', the winters are always challenging, but Fort Collins, which is where our club is, has gotten more snow and the weather has just been crappy and cold. I know Casper well, as I used to travel there for work. I don't think I could live there. edingc 1 Quote Mizuno ST190, 9 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Black 6S Mizuno ST190, 14 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Black 7S Mizuno ST200 , 18 degrees, Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X Miura CB 301, 4 iron, Fujikura Ventus 9x Miura CB 301, 5-PW Nippon Modus 120S Miura K Grind, 52, 54 and 58, Nippon Modus 130s hand ground by Usher Golf Miura KM 006 LH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesedw Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 @edingc, I saw the pictures but I would love to know how are the clubs? How do you like them? how do they compare to your others as far as feel and playability?? edingc 1 Quote Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Titleist TSR3 Hzrdus Black 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedge 54* Cleveland RTX Zipcore Wedge 58* Snake Eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Taylormade TP-5X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Reesedw said: @edingc, I saw the pictures but I would love to know how are the clubs? How do you like them? how do they compare to your others as far as feel and playability?? I suppose I haven't done a very good job of commenting on the actual playability, have I? The Sub70s are very good. They are very forgiving, and the look is very sleek. Oddly, the non-Pro soles appear narrower to my eye than the Pro models. There is significantly more offset in the non-Pros, and after having played the Cobra SpeedZones for a season, I'm honestly struggling a bit adapting back to the Pros with less offset. I noticed I am setting up a little too open to the ball sometimes. Just something I need to watch out for. Going to the TX MMT shafts was a good decision. I feel like my dispersion has improved a lot, and the feel is great. Also, my elbows and wrists thank me! The Sonar Tours are great grips, but I've noticed a few have twisted slightly (I should have probably used tape and solvent). I would encourage anyone to look at Sub70 irons. They feel great, maintain a ton of ball speed on mishits and certainly won't hurt the wallet as much as the big OEMs. GolfSpy BOS, cciciora13 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Nice to hear about that, I am really thinking next set will be graphite. Getting started back up this spring with some mats the first few days I felt it in the wrists and elbows for sure. edingc and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 13 hours ago, edingc said: Going to the TX MMT shafts was a good decision. I feel like my dispersion has improved a lot, and the feel is great. Also, my elbows and wrists thank me! Edin, what are experiencing with distance; both carry yardage and, more importantly, consistency? The lack of consistent yardage, after switching to graphite, was something one of the guys I play with in Yuma brought up. I believe he tried Recoils. Still waiting to get my ZX5's and MMT 80's into play. edingc 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Edin, what are experiencing with distance; both carry yardage and, more importantly, consistency? The lack of consistent yardage, after switching to graphite, was something one of the guys I play with in Yuma brought up. I believe he tried Recoils. Still waiting to get my ZX5's and MMT 80's into play. I haven't had that experience with the MMTs so far. I seem to have solid gaps of 12 yards or so between clubs. I tend to bunch up a little at the top of the bag in the "real world," but that's my swing and not the clubs: 4 Iron = 208 yds 5 iron = 196 yds 6 iron = 184 yds 7 iron = 172 yds 8 iron = 160 yds 9 iron = 148 yds PW = 136 yds GW = 124 yds Those are just guesses based on my time on the range and throwing down a handful of balls on course this morning. Vegan_Golfer_PNW and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddmanley Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 @edingc How have the MMT 105tx shaft been working out with the wedges? I'm just starting out with building up a 7iron with the MMT 105ts shaft and curious to learn more about how this shaft feels with the short game. -Thanks, Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, toddmanley said: @edingc How have the MMT 105tx shaft been working out with the wedges? I'm just starting out with building up a 7iron with the MMT 105ts shaft and curious to learn more about how this shaft feels with the short game. -Thanks, Todd My personal thought is that they play very similar to the iron shafts. I know @mr.hicksta has MMTs as well and I believe he shafted his wedges with the 9/PW shaft and not the specific wedge shafts. Beyond a few extra grams of weight I can't say they play all that different. They are a slightly heavier swingweight as is my preference, but I didn't drop any length between the set GW and the 54 degree wedge. toddmanley, mr.hicksta and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Cody, now that you're season is well underway, are you still seeing some joint-saving benefits from the MMTs, and still getting consistent performance? Due to recent injury problems I'm starting to investigate transitioning to a Steelfiber or MMT shaft in the offseason; just re-read this thread with renewed interest. Thanks for documenting everything here. edingc 1 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 23 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said: Cody, now that you're season is well underway, are you still seeing some joint-saving benefits from the MMTs, and still getting consistent performance? Due to recent injury problems I'm starting to investigate transitioning to a Steelfiber or MMT shaft in the offseason; just re-read this thread with renewed interest. Thanks for documenting everything here. I have zero elbow/shoulder/wrist pain from the MMTs, and that's despite playing 3-4 rounds a week plus hitting range balls. I occasionally take some half swings in my basement off the carpet with an old Cleveland wedge and almost immediately start to feel aches and pains crop up from the steel shaft and less padding (mimics my winter range pretty well). Performance-wise they are every bit as good as steel. I'm glad I went with the stiffer flex. When I'm off a little bit or get tense, my swing gets shorter and my transition gets more abrupt and these hold up just fine to that. I get a nice high ball flight without too much spin on my best shots. Distance has slightly increased throughout the bag even though my lofts are more "traditionally loft-jacked" (45 degree PW) than clubs I've played in the past. The finish has held up well. I sometimes get a few marks going in and out of the bag but so far they've all rubbed off. The only two negatives I've found with the MMTs are: The butt end of the 105TX shafts is slightly larger than other shafts I've used. This has caused some issues with my grip and I've contemplated switching to undersized grips. Swingweighting with tip weights is nearly impossible - I bought the thinnest tipped weights that I could find on the Internet and they still didn't fit in the MMTs. Let me know if you have any other questions or if I didn't address something well enough! GolfSpy BOS, GolfSpy AFG and RollingGreens 2 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Wow that’s fantastic that the joint pain was eliminated with the switch. One of these days I’ll have to give MMT’s a shot in the irons. I tend to like heavyish shafts, but see no reason to exclude graphite if the weight is there to keep my swing in sync. Knowing that we’ve preferred similar shafts in the past means I’ll hopefully check out the TX flex as well. edingc 1 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, B.Boston said: Wow that’s fantastic that the joint pain was eliminated with the switch. One of these days I’ll have to give MMT’s a shot in the irons. I tend to like heavyish shafts, but see no reason to exclude graphite if the weight is there to keep my swing in sync. Knowing that we’ve preferred similar shafts in the past means I’ll hopefully check out the TX flex as well. MMTs do seem to have that space pretty well filled out with the TX at 113 and 125, and the then 125 Stiff coming in at 124 edingc and GolfSpy BOS 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 @edingc I am expecting my 699 Pro's also from the Preowned section of Sub70 on Monday! I believe our lofts are the same so wondering what the bottom end of your bag looks like? I believe the AW is 50*. I currently game the Kirkland wedge set which is 52,56,60...would 6* of loft separation be too much to go from 50* to 56*? edingc and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, golfish! said: @edingc I am expecting my 699 Pro's also from the Preowned section of Sub70 on Monday! I believe our lofts are the same so wondering what the bottom end of your bag looks like? I believe the AW is 50*. I currently game the Kirkland wedge set which is 52,56,60...would 6* of loft separation be too much to go from 50* to 56*? The AW is 50. I go 54, 58. My brother-in-law goes 50-56-60 and does well with it. GolfSpy BOS, golfish! and sirchunksalot 2 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hey Cody, not sure if you've commented on this or not yet. I know you're getting along well with the 699's. Didn't know if you've commented about the differences you feel between a player's cavity like that versus your experience with the Speedzone irons last year? I have to think that the lofts weren't too far apart, maybe a bit in the longer irons, but they are obviously very different in construction. For me the player's cavity design has been eye-opening. They're definitely more forgiving then they let on from how they look in the bag. edingc, sirchunksalot and GolfSpy AFG 3 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, B.Boston said: Hey Cody, not sure if you've commented on this or not yet. I know you're getting along well with the 699's. Didn't know if you've commented about the differences you feel between a player's cavity like that versus your experience with the Speedzone irons last year? I have to think that the lofts weren't too far apart, maybe a bit in the longer irons, but they are obviously very different in construction. For me the player's cavity design has been eye-opening. They're definitely more forgiving then they let on from how they look in the bag. Yes, I'm getting along much better with the Sub70s than I did with the SpeedZones. I didn't hate the looks of the SpeedZones, but the smaller profile of the 699s (even the non-"Pro" long irons) is much more pleasing to look at behind the ball. And whatever they fill the heads with makes them feel and sound really nice as well. Direct comparisons are always so tough because as I've improved with practice/lessons things like carry distance have come up a bit. I carry my 699 Pro 9 iron about the same exact distance as the SpeedZone 9 iron, but there's 3 degrees of difference between the two clubs. I think anyone shooting under 100 with regularity could play something like the 699s and not give up a ton of forgiveness to the more SGI-type clubs. There's a lot of tech packed into the heads to help out. They really are a nice blend looks/forgiveness/feel. Certainly, SGI clubs have their place. I can imagine if you are very steep or maybe a slower swinger the larger sole and lower CG of something like the SpeedZones may be more beneficial. GolfSpy AFG, golfish!, cnosil and 2 others 5 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 hours ago, edingc said: Yes, I'm getting along much better with the Sub70s than I did with the SpeedZones. I didn't hate the looks of the SpeedZones, but the smaller profile of the 699s (even the non-"Pro" long irons) is much more pleasing to look at behind the ball. And whatever they fill the heads with makes them feel and sound really nice as well. Direct comparisons are always so tough because as I've improved with practice/lessons things like carry distance have come up a bit. I carry my 699 Pro 9 iron about the same exact distance as the SpeedZone 9 iron, but there's 3 degrees of difference between the two clubs. I think anyone shooting under 100 with regularity could play something like the 699s and not give up a ton of forgiveness to the more SGI-type clubs. There's a lot of tech packed into the heads to help out. They really are a nice blend looks/forgiveness/feel. Certainly, SGI clubs have their place. I can imagine if you are very steep or maybe a slower swinger the larger sole and lower CG of something like the SpeedZones may be more beneficial. Agree with you there @edingc. I shoot under 100 regularly and wanted to get into something with a little less offset and a thinner topline with some workability than my Mavriks. Callaway website says the Mavriks are built for players down to an 8 HDCP so technically I should still be playing those but we all know how golf swings change and the way you look at your clubs at address change. I liked the thinner topline of the 699 pros compared to my Mavriks. Mavrik on the left, 699 pro in the middle and the 639MB on the right ( I thought I could hit a blade and found out I could not xP) Also the sole is a bit thinner too. The offset on the 699 pros is about half of the Mavriks. My swing has developed to where I am hitting draws and my common miss is a hook or too much draw so I wanted the lower offset. Also like you mentioned, during my demo testing at the range on Mevo, I was really not losing distance even though the lofts are weaker on the 699 pros. Now this was with the stock KBS tour 105 stiff shaft which I felt forced me to take a much faster tempo backswing than I do with my True Temper Elevate 95 in stiff. I did manage to find a set of 4-AW of the 699 Pros with the black finish and KBS Tour 90 in stiff in their pre-owned section so I jumped on it along with the 10% Memorial Day discount on pre-owned. Jason recommended the Tour 90 as it would be closest to my Elevate 95. All in with the free shipping and no tax it came out to $540. Quite a deal for 8 clubs! Sorry to jack your thread a bit here but sharing my experience for anyone looking at the Sub70's. Plus like everyone says, Jason Hiland, the owner of the company really does answer all your questions and is personally available to all of his customers. edingc 1 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Update on this build: I played these irons throughout 2021 without issue. They have been awesome to hit and feel great. The ball flies off the club face, and although the heads don't produce the most spin in the world when combined with the MMTs, I hit the ball high enough that I have no trouble holding greens as long as I use the right ball (MTB-X, ProV1x, Maxfli Tour X). One thing I ended up not liking so much was the offset of the 4-6 699 heads, especially when directly compared to the 699 Pro heads in 7-GW. I replaced the 4 iron with a Cobra KING 4 Utility, which has proven to be more forgiving and has much less offset to my eyes. I entertained thoughts about getting a new iron fit this upcoming summer. But after the last few weeks I decided that the Sub70s are too good to part with. Instead, I snapped up a Cyber Monday deal on a used set of 699 Pros to scavenge the 5 and 6 iron heads for my MMTs. Unfortunately, after removing the heads, I've found the bottom bore to ground measurement of the 699 Pros is 1/4" less than the 699s (3/4" vs. 1"). This means my 5 and 6 iron shafts are slightly short of where they played in the 699s. Compounding matters a bit, I apparently was pretty sloppy when putting together the 5 iron. It appears I left a shaft plug from the original shafts in the hosel on the 5 iron, so my BBTG measurement was extended by an additional 1/8". Because of this, the 5 iron shaft is closer to 3/8" short in the 699 Pro head. I will have no choice but to get a shaft extension for the 5 iron. I am debating if I want to extend the 6 iron, or I've considered cutting the other shafts by 1/4" to match. When building clubs I measure to the ungripped end of the cut shaft, so my 37" 7 iron typically finishes around 37.25" when accounting for the grip. This means my swingweights are a little on the heavier side (D4-D5). I could shave 1/4" from everything and probably be in the D3 range. I'll probably build up the 6 iron as is and see how it feels hitting some balls before making a decision. ncwoz and RollingGreens 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I haven’t noticed any posts in this and after my round today I was thinking about doing exactly what you did originally. How much different is the offset visually from the regular to the pro? Are you still gaming them now? Sorry being lazy instead of checking the how’d you play thread. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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