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This is quickly becoming a gratuitous photo thread, but I wanted to share some shots of the 4 iron now that it is married up with the MMT and a Lamkin Sonar Tour. (Don't mind the crappy generic ferrule. I have something considerably better coming Monday. 😁)

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The MMTs swing weight out like standard steel. This is playing at Sub70's listed steel spec length of 38.5" and around D3.5/D4, the same swing weight as my Maltby PTM set I built last winter.

The MMTs jump from "S" to "TX", there is no "X" flex. I've been slowly moving to "X" flex across my irons and hybrids and seem to have decreased dispersion with the slightly stronger flexes. My 6 iron swing speed is averaging about 96 MPH on my Flightscope Mevo, so I personally feel I'm right between flexes as my transition and swing tempo are not terribly aggressive. The driving factor in moving to the TX flex is the weight at 113 grams vs. 105 grams for the stiff. I've bounced between 110-115 gram shafts for the past two seasons and wanted to stay there. 

The MMTs are available in 3-PW discrete lengths so I have the option to soft-step them one time if necessary.

 

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Sub70_Logo_WhtBlk.jpg.aee386374adf9afd31a02b989c839f9d.jpg Sub70 699 (4-6)/699 Pro (7-AW) Combo Set, 1° Flat, 37" 7 Iron, Mitsubishi MMT Taper 105 TX | Build Thread
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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING MIM Black, 1° Flat, 35.5", 35.25", Mitsubishi MMT Wedge 105 TX | #CobraConnect Review
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Good stuff. I'll be trying the 699pros when they come out with them for us lefties. 

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29 minutes ago, edingc said:

This is quickly becoming a gratuitous photo thread, but I wanted to share some shots of the 4 iron now that it is married up with the MMT and a Lamkin Sonar Tour. (Don't mind the crappy generic ferrule. I have something considerably better coming Monday. 😁)

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The MMTs swing weight out like standard steel. This is playing at Sub70's listed steel spec length of 38.5" and around D3.5/D4, the same swing weight as my Maltby PTM set I built last winter.

The MMTs jump from "S" to "TX", there is no "X" flex. I've been slowly moving to "X" flex across my irons and hybrids and seem to have decreased dispersion with the slightly stronger flexes. My 6 iron swing speed is averaging about 96 MPH on my Flightscope Mevo, so I personally feel I'm right between flexes as my transition and swing tempo are not terribly aggressive. The driving factor in moving to the TX flex is the weight at 113 grams vs. 105 grams for the stiff. I've bounced between 110-115 gram shafts for the past two seasons and wanted to stay there. 

The MMTs are available in 3-PW discrete lengths so I have the option to soft-step them one time if necessary.

 

No reason to apologize for a gratuitous photo thread, we like seeing photos of new clubs. I love the Lamkin grips you paired with the shafts. They look good and I can't wait to see how you hit them. 

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1 hour ago, sirchunksalot said:

No reason to apologize for a gratuitous photo thread, we like seeing photos of new clubs. I love the Lamkin grips you paired with the shafts. They look good and I can't wait to see how you hit them. 

I really liked the regular Sonar on the SpeedZones, but didn't love the reduced taper for full shots. I have small hands and found the grip wanting to work too much into my palms. These have a more traditional taper and feel better in my hands but have a similar pattern and tack to the regular Sonars.

That the grey/black combo looks slick is just a nice bonus.

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17° Hybrid:
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18.5° Driving Iron: 
cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2016 Model), 39.5", Mitsubishi MMT Utility 105 TX
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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING MIM Black, 1° Flat, 35.5", 35.25", Mitsubishi MMT Wedge 105 TX | #CobraConnect Review
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Nice work Cody! Those are coming along quite nice. I like the added paint on the bottom groove.

You’ll have to do a nice post about the MMT vs C-Taper lites for me. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the feel and performance.

I think I just saw that Rickie is rocking MMTs (I think a proto 125g) on his new butter knives.


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I just got back from the range, crunched some numbers and I'm very excited.

I unfortunately don't have easy access to a high end launch monitor, but I do have a good chunk of winter work with my Mevo. In anticipation of testing today, I tabulated the 5 iron averages of the past five or six range sessions with the Cobra SpeedZones. All numbers are off the same mats, using the same quality mixed range balls, at roughly the same temperatures.

I am comparing the Sub70 699 4 iron directly to the SpeedZone 5 iron. They are essentially the same loft (21 degrees for the SpeedZone, 21.5 degrees for the Sub70), the same lie angle, however the SpeedZone 5 iron is 1/2" shorter (38" vs. 38.5"). Regardless, the SpeedZone 5 iron was going to play the role of a traditional 4 iron in my split combo bag with the Maltby PTMs.

I started by hitting 10 or so warm up shots with my PTM 9 iron and then switched to the Sub70 4 iron with the MMT shaft. I needed to hit a bucket's worth of balls to have a fair comparison to the SpeedZones. In fairness to both clubs, I removed the worst shots from each data set, but ended up removing a lot more from the SpeedZone's data. I hit 15-20 balls with the Sub70 and then switched to a different club for a few and then switched back as to not get into too much of a groove.

Mevo averages from 93 shots with the SpeedZone 5 iron (KBS C-Taper 115 X-Stiff):

Ball Speed (mph) Club Speed (mph) Smash Carry Distance (yds) Launch Angle  Spin (rpm) Height (ft) Time (s) Club
131.7 96.8 1.36 198.5 15.6 4742 101 6.5 5I

Mevo averages from 74 shots with the Sub70 699 4 Iron (Mitsubishi MMT 105 TX):

Ball Speed (mph) Club Speed (mph) Smash Carry Distance (yds) Launch Angle V Spin (rpm) Height (ft) Time (s) Club
135 101.4 1.33 207.3 15.2 4299 101 6.5 4I

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I'm very happy with the numbers. Despite only being 1/2" longer, the Sub70/MMT combo added roughly 3 MPH ball speed, 4 MPH club speed and 9 yards of carry while maintaining all of the launch characteristics of the SpeedZone 5 iron.

Given that I have $75 already invested in this test shaft, I am now planning to go forward with the remainder of the set and will not be doing any further experimenting.

16 hours ago, B.Boston said:

Nice work Cody! Those are coming along quite nice. I like the added paint on the bottom groove.

You’ll have to do a nice post about the MMT vs C-Taper lites for me. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the feel and performance.

I think I just saw that Rickie is rocking MMTs (I think a proto 125g) on his new butter knives.
 

If I'm not mistaken, Rickie is playing the 125 TX version while Abraham Ancer has played the 105 TX for quite some time. Since you asked about feel, here are my thoughts from today.

I am very, very impressed with the Mitsubishi MMT. At no point did I feel like the 105 TX was too much shaft for me, even toward the end of the session when I was getting very tired the shaft reacted the same way. I will be playing the set straight in through the rest of the set. There were no "weird" shots that I'd attribute to the shaft whatsoever; it's obvious the old idea that graphite isn't as "accurate" or "consistent" as steel is totally false.

The 113 gram weight is perfect for me. Very little difference in weight coming from the C-Taper Lites. I don't think I'd want to go up to the 125 weight class, but if you are someone coming from a heavier weight shaft and wanted to stay heavier in graphite, it's good to have those options. I picked up a small bit of speed, but some of that is probably attributed to the slightly longer shaft.

Imagine taking an extremely stout and stiff shaft and waggling it around. There would be no movement whatsoever that you'd feel, right? That's what the MMT feels like when you waggle it. There's no movement of the club head or butt whatsoever (at least that I can feel). It feels like it's balanced a bit toward the tip and you can really feel the club head throughout the swing. If you just picked it up off the rack you'd think there would be no way you'd load the shaft. But when you swing, it's completely different. I'm not one to really feel a shaft load well (or at least I think I'm not), but there is a really smooth load and release of the shaft moving through impact. It's almost like they married a piece of slightly tip heavy rebar with the feel of a C-Taper Lite at impact. I had very few shots that didn't find the center of the club face, something I can't say about the SpeedZone 5 iron.

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Sub70_Logo_WhtBlk.jpg.aee386374adf9afd31a02b989c839f9d.jpg Sub70 699 (4-6)/699 Pro (7-AW) Combo Set, 1° Flat, 37" 7 Iron, Mitsubishi MMT Taper 105 TX | Build Thread
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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING MIM Black, 1° Flat, 35.5", 35.25", Mitsubishi MMT Wedge 105 TX | #CobraConnect Review
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These showed up a day earlier than expected.

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These are "Mr. Peacock." I was trying to match the blue of the Sonar Tour cap, but these are a little more "rich" in hue than the blue on the grips. Kudos to Patrick from BB&F Co. who offered to exchange them for another blue ringed set, but after looking at the color against the black MMT shaft I decided to keep them.

Everything has now been ordered to complete the set, with orders from Golfworks, grips4less, BB&F Co. and Billy Bob's all placed. I'm hoping everything arrives by next weekend. It will probably take me a few days to put everything together once everything does show up.

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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2016 Model), 39.5", Mitsubishi MMT Utility 105 TX
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callaway_logo.png.3dd18aa65544000dd0ea3901697a8261.png Callaway Epic Flash, 40", Mitsubishi MMT Hybrid 80 TX
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Sub70_Logo_WhtBlk.jpg.aee386374adf9afd31a02b989c839f9d.jpg Sub70 699 (4-6)/699 Pro (7-AW) Combo Set, 1° Flat, 37" 7 Iron, Mitsubishi MMT Taper 105 TX | Build Thread
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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING MIM Black, 1° Flat, 35.5", 35.25", Mitsubishi MMT Wedge 105 TX | #CobraConnect Review
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image.png.49fcc172a1ed0010d930fbe1c5dc8b79.png L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review
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lamkin.png.5081890e009ae78e16066ee0fd18b7c0.png Lamkin Sonar Tour
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1 hour ago, edingc said:

These showed up a day earlier than expected.

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These are "Mr. Peacock." I was trying to match the blue of the Sonar Tour cap, but these are a little more "rich" in hue than the blue on the grips. Kudos to Patrick from BB&F Co. who offered to exchange them for another blue ringed set, but after looking at the color against the black MMT shaft I decided to keep them.

Everything has now been ordered to complete the set, with orders from Golfworks, grips4less, BB&F Co. and Billy Bob's all placed. I'm hoping everything arrives by next weekend. It will probably take me a few days to put everything together once everything does show up.

Those ferrules are going to look fantastic on your clubs. I think they'll match well with the MMT shafts, I think you made the right choice keeping them. I actually didn't notice the color on the end of the grip until going back and looking at the pictures again. I hope they perform as good as they look. From the numbers you put up of the 4 vs 5 irons, to go along with the performance of the Mavrik, you'll be hitting some great shots this upcoming season. 

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(TL;DR at the bottom.)

I mentioned in the first post of this thread I didn't expect to save a ton of money over going new OEM. I can compare the available options now that I've ordered everything necessary to complete the build. I compared my costs to both the Callaway mixed set I liked, and what I would have likely ordered directly from Sub70.

The Callaway mixed set would have consisted of Apex DCBs in the 4-5 irons, Apex 6-7 irons and Apex Forged 8-GW. Callaway offers the MMT 105 TXs as a $15 upcharge, and the Lamkin Sonar Tours as a $10 upcharge. Total estimated cost: $1,680.

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I probably could have called up Discount Dan's and gotten a slightly better price, free delivery and no sales tax. However, before going down this road of buying/building new irons, I knew if I ordered the Callaway set I wanted to support my local shop because they have been great to me. Tack on six percent Michigan sales tax and my total would have been closer to $1,780.

From Sub70 directly, I would have likely ordered SteelFiber i110s with Lamkin Crossline 360s. Total cost for the same combo set of 4-AW 699/699 Pros with that shaft/grip combination: $985.

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My build, when looking at the price of components only, was not as expensive as I initially expected. Even with the premium priced MMT shafts, the final cost was competitive with Sub70 and way less than Callaway. Total estimated cost: $1,115.

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I sold the shafts to Swing 'em Again Golf, and the grips will be going on my brother-in-law's set of irons. I also got lucky because the set was essentially brand new with very little visible use.

Obviously, there are always incidental material and supply costs (epoxy, sandpaper, etc.) I'm not including here. I already had the majority of the needed supplies, but because I wanted this build to be a little more "professional" than my last, I sprung for a new Harbor Freight belt sander and some more stuff from Golfworks to make everything very simple to assemble and finish. I also bought extra ferrules (just in case) and extra grips for spares and to redo the rest of my bag.

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I enjoy building and tweaking clubs, and tools like the belt sander will inevitably be used for other project around the house, yard and garden eventually. I don't consider these as costs in my build, although some may.

Time is obviously another input. I don't keep specific track of time, but I had at least two hours into dissembling the original clubs, cleaning/brushing the heads and painting the alignment lines. Each shaft takes several minutes to prep and cut (carefully!) and then assembly is a slow process making sure all of the graphics are perfectly aligned, the heads are on fully and the ferrules are tight. There will be time required to size down and polish the ferrules. I've gotten better at gripping, but even using air and painter's tape takes some time to get everything aligned and right.

At the end of the day, there's something to be said about building your own clubs and the enjoyment it brings to the game. I enjoy the process.

And, as for the money I "saved," it's already been spent on matching wedge shafts for my Cobra MIM Black wedges and a new-to-me Callaway Mavrik driver from Callaway Pre-Owned.

TL;DR:

Total estimated costs for similar builds:

Callaway Mixed Combo Set - $1,780
Sub70 SteelFiber Combo Set - $985
"Custom Built" Sub70 MMT Combo Set - $1,115

Saved money and spent it on more clubs. Degenerate club ho status confirmed.

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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING Utility (2016 Model), 39.5", Mitsubishi MMT Utility 105 TX
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Sub70_Logo_WhtBlk.jpg.aee386374adf9afd31a02b989c839f9d.jpg Sub70 699 (4-6)/699 Pro (7-AW) Combo Set, 1° Flat, 37" 7 Iron, Mitsubishi MMT Taper 105 TX | Build Thread
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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra KING MIM Black, 1° Flat, 35.5", 35.25", Mitsubishi MMT Wedge 105 TX | #CobraConnect Review
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image.png.49fcc172a1ed0010d930fbe1c5dc8b79.png L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review
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lamkin.png.5081890e009ae78e16066ee0fd18b7c0.png Lamkin Sonar Tour
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Have to share the major fails that come along with DIY. Frustrated right now, but oh well. (Lesson learned, been kind of a rough day anyway, should not have done club work while not having my heart in it 100 percent.)

I'm still waiting on the rest of the shafts to arrive, but on Monday I pulled the 4 iron head from the MMT and yesterday I re-installed with one of the new BB&F Co. ferrules. First problem, I had a very, very hard time setting the ferrule to the correct depth. In the past I've just used the club head once everything was coated with epoxy and pushed it on. The ferrule was so tight I couldn't get the head on fully and I ended up making a huge mess of epoxy and ruining a shim before I got smart and used a heat gun to coax the ferrule down more. I let the epoxy cure for 24 hours and was really happy with how everything was looking.

I mentioned I purchased a Harbor Freight 1"x30" sander to help finish the ferrules. I picked up the Scotchbrite type of belt from Golfworks for the tool, and practiced yesterday on a few test clubs. I only had to trim a tiny bit of ferrule for this build, so I made a quick pass on the 4 iron and was pretty happy with myself. Should have gone to the acetone and called it good.

But, no. Wasn't happy with a tiny section. Went back to the sander to even it out and apparently put way too much pressure on the ferrule. Took way too much off and came out looking like sh--. I'm not going to pull the shaft again. Maybe next winter. It's fine for now. But frustrating. Just had to vent a bit. 🙄

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2 hours ago, edingc said:

Have to share the major fails that come along with DIY. Frustrated right now, but oh well. (Lesson learned, been kind of a rough day anyway, should not have done club work while not having my heart in it 100 percent.)

I'm still waiting on the rest of the shafts to arrive, but on Monday I pulled the 4 iron head from the MMT and yesterday I re-installed with one of the new BB&F Co. ferrules. First problem, I had a very, very hard time setting the ferrule to the correct depth. In the past I've just used the club head once everything was coated with epoxy and pushed it on. The ferrule was so tight I couldn't get the head on fully and I ended up making a huge mess of epoxy and ruining a shim before I got smart and used a heat gun to coax the ferrule down more. I let the epoxy cure for 24 hours and was really happy with how everything was looking.

I mentioned I purchased a Harbor Freight 1"x30" sander to help finish the ferrules. I picked up the Scotchbrite type of belt from Golfworks for the tool, and practiced yesterday on a few test clubs. I only had to trim a tiny bit of ferrule for this build, so I made a quick pass on the 4 iron and was pretty happy with myself. Should have gone to the acetone and called it good.

But, no. Wasn't happy with a tiny section. Went back to the sander to even it out and apparently put way too much pressure on the ferrule. Took way too much off and came out looking like sh--. I'm not going to pull the shaft again. Maybe next winter. It's fine for now. But frustrating. Just had to vent a bit. 🙄

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It's a learning moment, plus you were tired. The ferrules look fantastic with the head and the shaft, you definitely made the right choice sticking with this color combination. Love it!

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24 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:

It's a learning moment, plus you were tired. The ferrules look fantastic with the head and the shaft, you definitely made the right choice sticking with this color combination. Love it!

Yup. Just one of those days. I am thrilled with the color combo, and now I know what not to do on the rest of them.

Thanks for the comments!

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Might be useful to you, might not: when I have a ferrule that I try on and find it snug, I'll ream it out a bit inside with a round file to open it up some.

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On 1/27/2021 at 4:16 AM, edingc said:

Glad to hear a vote for the Recoils.

Looking at reviews, cost and considering my past experience, I think I've narrowed my searching down to:

  • Mitsubishi MMT
  • UST Recoil
  • KBS TGI

While I was fit for the Steelfibers, I've read (in the 110 weight especially) that they can be a pain to swingweight. The only other intriguing and widely available option I've found is the Project X Catalyst 100s, but some of the reviews of those say they play and feel like PX steel, of which I'm not a fan.

Recoil would be the cheapest option. TGI would probably be a good fit because I get along with the Tour well.

I'm currently enamored with the MMT because in the Callaway demo 7 iron, I saw increases in launch angle, height, spin and carry and it felt really nice. More muted than steel, but I could still easily know where on the face I hit the ball. Very stable, too.

Not in the same swing weight as you, but I really liked the MMT 80R shafts and they are my #1 pick at this point in the new irons project.  They performed really close to the Accra - which by many accounts are the gold standard for composite shafts. MMT's tapered versions are the odd number series and have a gloss black finish.  I also found the OTi shafts pretty competitive as well.

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On 2/1/2021 at 10:51 AM, edingc said:

Saved money and spent it on more clubs. Degenerate club ho status confirmed

Hey, you could be spending that money and time in a dark, dingy bar with nothing to show for the investment 🙂.

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You really have me considering graphite in my irons now. beautiful work so far!! Have you thought about going MMT in woods and hybrids now too keep the same feel? I presume that is one benefit to going graphite in irons. The MMTs look total badass. 

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13 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Might be useful to you, might not: when I have a ferrule that I try on and find it snug, I'll ream it out a bit inside with a round file to open it up some.

I have a .370 reamer that I ran up about halfway through the ferrule, but the top of the ferrule was pretty thin already and didn't dare take much more out. Had it in hot water before, too, and used some epoxy as lubricant. Just was a tough bugger. Now that I know, I'll have the heat gun at the ready 😀.

I'd much prefer it too tight, I suppose. Less likely to creep up when combined with the little bit of epoxy underneath.

1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Not in the same swing weight as you, but I really liked the MMT 80R shafts and they are my #1 pick at this point in the new irons project.  They performed really close to the Accra - which by many accounts are the gold standard for composite shafts. MMT's tapered versions are the odd number series and have a gloss black finish.  I also found the OTi shafts pretty competitive as well.

I hit the MMT 95 Taper in the Apex Forged heads. When I first got back into golf seriously a few years back I started with KBS Tour 90s, so I'm no stranger to lightweight shafts. But I really loved the MMT 105s and am so happy I tried them. They feel really nice, no hint of wobbliness or anything like that.

1 hour ago, rbsiedsc said:

You really have me considering graphite in my irons now. beautiful work so far!! Have you thought about going MMT in woods and hybrids now too keep the same feel? I presume that is one benefit to going graphite in irons. The MMTs look total badass. 

Thanks. These are going to look really sharp when they're all together, my crap ferrule work on the 4 iron not withstanding...

Logically, I think the MMT will get a go in my 4 hybrid once they are readily available for purchase. I can't find them anywhere online at the moment. I could see myself picking up a 19 degree utility just to have and would stick an MMT in that, too. 

I don't think I'll change from the Pro Orange in the Super Hybrid (great feeling shaft), and the Rogue White in the Mavrik feels fantastic, too.

I really do intend to keep this current bag setup, minus maybe a new shaft in the 4 hybrid or another hybrid there and new wedges, for a while. It's fun tinkering but I really want to see if I can get my handicap lower and shoot in the 70s consistently. I also really want a Skytrak so I need to save at least a bit of money before I can convince the wife that we should pony up the cash for one.

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3 minutes ago, edingc said:

I hit the MMT 95 Taper in the Apex Forged heads. When I first got back into golf seriously a few years back I started with KBS Tour 90s, so I'm no stranger to lightweight shafts. But I really loved the MMT 105s and am so happy I tried them. They feel really nice, no hint of wobbliness or anything like that.

Agree.  At my swing speed, the composite shafts do not feel that much different than comparable steel shafts.  None felt whippy - in fact the Steelfiber i80 felt downright broomstick like to me.  

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@sirchunksalot - Appreciate the kind words the other night after my belt sander screw up. I couldn't let myself leave such an awkward ferrule in the bag so I pulled it apart yesterday and tried again. Much better results this time.

(Since the Scotchbrite belts don't harm the club, I found that using the top of the hosel as a guide and pressing that into the belt worked really well. I was able to shave off the ferrule the perfect amount and not go past.)

First club done. With the larger ferrule it's closer to D5 than D4. I'll have to give them all a swing, but I may be looking at shaving an 1/8" or so from the length depending on my results just to keep the swingweight a little lower.

I received shipping notifications for my remaining orders and should have all of the remaining shafts I need to complete the set by the end of next week.

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