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I just started testing the MTB-Black and MTB-X against my gamer. One thing I noticed during my first round was the MTB-X appeared to have a lower trajectory. I've looked at various reviews/tests and Snell marketing, but have yet to see anything to indicate that there should really be much difference (in trajectory) between the two at all. Anyone else notice a significant difference? 

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I haven't played the Black since two seasons ago, so my memory is foggy about the trajectory. I do remember playing the original MTB Red for a few rounds and found that to be spinny and balloon compared to the original MTB (which I now think is the Black). I believe the X was a response to the feedback about the poor wind performance of the Red.

Obviously the X is firmer. Lower spin off the driver for me, and of all the balls I've played since getting back into the game, I think it's the longest off the tee as well. Lower spin = lower trajectory? Not that I've noticed but it's been a while since I've played anything other than Z-Star XV or MTB-X.

If I remember correctly, TXG found the two to play very, very close for Matt's swing.

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I switched to the MTB-X last year: I also bought the test pack to see if I’d like the X or the black. The black was softer and had more spin for me. It also seemed to launch higher but that might just be from the spin loft I create by hitting down on my irons. I chose the X mostly for having less spin off the driver.
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3 hours ago, edingc said:

I haven't played the Black since two seasons ago, so my memory is foggy about the trajectory. I do remember playing the original MTB Red for a few rounds and found that to be spinny and balloon compared to the original MTB (which I now think is the Black). I believe the X was a response to the feedback about the poor wind performance of the Red.

Obviously the X is firmer. Lower spin off the driver for me, and of all the balls I've played since getting back into the game, I think it's the longest off the tee as well. Lower spin = lower trajectory? Not that I've noticed but it's been a while since I've played anything other than Z-Star XV or MTB-X.

If I remember correctly, TXG found the two to play very, very close for Matt's swing.

Yeah that's what I noticed when I watched it. Could be a difference in swings/strikes between the two balls or I could just be making it up and there really is no difference at all, but I figured I'd ask.

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2 hours ago, Micah T said:

I switched to the MTB-X last year: I also bought the test pack to see if I’d like the X or the black. The black was softer and had more spin for me. It also seemed to launch higher but that might just be from the spin loft I create by hitting down on my irons. I chose the X mostly for having less spin off the driver.
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I've watched their review and looked at a few others as well as some stuff here on MGS including a video with Dean himself. He never talks about different trajectories and nothing else I've seen suggests there should be, but I felt like I was seeing the Black launch appreciably higher (off driver mostly) compared to the X. I was worried the X would feel too firm, but I really get along with it quite well. I plan to play several more rounds before making a final decision, but the X seemed to work very well for me in all aspects of my game the first time out.

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The Black launches higher for me but I always equate that to the higher spin


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10 hours ago, TBT said:

The Black launches higher for me but I always equate that to the higher spin


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And that's what I'm confused about because the Black is supposed to be the lower spinning ball off irons and wedges - driver spin is intended to be pretty much the same. The lower compression of the Black would indicate lower spin as well.

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I played the black in 2019 for a while before switching to the X which is the only ball I've played since the start of 2020. I did not notice any launch differences between the two FWIW. I did notice a bit higher spin from the X across the whole bag (possibly too high for some off the tee - YMMV).

I liked the feel of the black, but I usually prefer a firmer feel, and think they've dialed it in 1000% better in the X than they had it in the Red (which was no bueno on looks + feel + performance). 

I don't think it's the perfect ball, but when I'm buying in bulk at $27 per dozen and supporting a small business in my native MA, they're plenty good enough for me.

 

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The MTB X is designed to be firmer and slightly higher iron spin than the MTB Black, the difference in driver spin is negligible by design. That’s how they play to me, and consistent with online objective comparisons I’ve seen. If you’re getting more spin with Blacks vs X it’s likely it’s not the ball? 

I’ve been playing Snell exclusively since 2017 beginning with the original MTB, now I play Blacks. I tried a dozen Reds in 2018 (too much spin) and just finishing off two dozen MTB-X’s. I’m going back to the MTB Black ASAP (I don’t need or want more spin and prefer a little less firm, Blacks are by no means soft, just a tick softer than X).

https://www.snellgolf.com/blogs/news/introducing-the-2019-snell-golf-mtb-lineup

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Also from MGS Ball Study of MTB-X:

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Snell classifies the MTB-X as a mid-launch ball. It’s the higher spinning of Snell’s urethane offerings. It’s a three-piece ball with a 360-dimple, cast-urethane cover.

https://mygolfspy.com/snell-mtb-x-golf-ball-review/

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1 hour ago, Middler said:

I’ve been playing Snell exclusively since 2017 beginning with the original MTB, now I play Blacks. I tried a dozen Reds in 2018 (too much spin) and just finishing off two dozen MTB-X’s. I’m going back to the MTB Black ASAP (I don’t need or want more spin and prefer a little less firm, Blacks are by no means soft, just a tick softer than X).

I don't really need more spin either which is why I have some concerns about the X, but also liked the flight I was getting in my first outing with it so wanted to see what others had experienced. I'm surprised to find that I do like the firmer feel as well, but a ball that spins too much is definitely not something I want. The testing and experimenting continues...

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18 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I don't really need more spin either which is why I have some concerns about the X, but also liked the flight I was getting in my first outing with it so wanted to see what others had experienced. I'm surprised to find that I do like the firmer feel as well, but a ball that spins too much is definitely not something I want. The testing and experimenting continues...

Dean Snell recommends the MTB Black for you, based on the ball in your sig line.

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4 minutes ago, Middler said:

Dean Snell recommends the MTB Black for you, based on the ball in your sig line.

The only reason I play the XS currently is because of feel preference. It's a spinny ball as well and I've absolutely ripped it off greens before. From that perspective the Black would seem a good fit, but I really wasn't impressed the first time out.

I've also gamed the Black in the past for a full season and thought it was just ok. There wasn't anything that really wowed me about it other than the price. I just need some more time with both balls before making a final decision. Wouldn't hurt if I could get on Trackman either. There are a few places around me where I could do that so I'm not just making a determination based on feel or perceived differences, but have some hard data to go off of.

Like I said before, I was mostly interested in hearing what others have personally experienced with the trajectory between the two balls.

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I did a sim session this past week with the MTBX and I will probably be doing another simulator session in a couple weeks. I will take a sleeve of the Black & the X with me next time to compare numbers.

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16 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

Like I said before, I was mostly interested in hearing what others have personally experienced with the trajectory between the two balls.

That’s what I thought I did...

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I've been playing the Snell ball for about 5 years and have never noticed any difference in ball flight.

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1 hour ago, Middler said:

That’s what I thought I did...

You did in your first response and I truly appreciate that. Thank you.

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I've been playing the MTB Black for about a year now, love the ball but at a 18 handicap, I'm wondering if I should try the Get Sum ball.

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41 minutes ago, WR3 said:

I've been playing the MTB Black for about a year now, love the ball but at a 18 handicap, I'm wondering if I should try the Get Sum ball.

If you love the MTB Black, I doubt you will like the Get Sum better.

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9 hours ago, WR3 said:

I've been playing the MTB Black for about a year now, love the ball but at a 18 handicap, I'm wondering if I should try the Get Sum ball.

I mean if you're losing multiple balls per round, I get it. Otherwise... The ball doesn't know (or even care) what your handicap is. Why should handicap factor into the decision at all?

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