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19 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

BREAKING NEWS:*******GOLF IS NOT PLAYED JUST IN AMERICA******

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....also, money talks. 

cold

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cash

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Just now, StrokerAce said:

....also, money talks. 

cold

hard

cash

universal language 

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3 hours ago, LICC said:

Tour players selling out to Saudi Arabia is damaging tournaments at two of America's historic courses- Harbour Town and Pebble Beach.

 

18 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

universal language 

Apparently not "universal" enough....

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back on track here... Jordan Speith takes the lead at -10

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Did anyone else see that Mike Stone music commercial? What/who in the world was that?

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Spieth is starting to look like he might have finally turned corner....pretty good showing last week and now looking really good through 36 holes at The AT&T.

Especially considering most of the field is over par at Spyglass and he is 5 under with 1 hole to play.

The weekend will tell the real story, but it’s nice to see him back in the mix


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3 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

BREAKING NEWS:*******GOLF IS NOT PLAYED JUST IN AMERICA******

I guess you wouldn't have minded if American Tour pros went to play in a tournament in the Soviet Union for Stalin instead of the US Open ...

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12 minutes ago, LICC said:

I guess you wouldn't have minded if American Tour pros went to play in a tournament in the Soviet Union for Stalin instead of the US Open ...

that’s an apples and oranges comparison.  skipping the waste management for a large guaranteed payday isn’t the same as skipping a major

but to answer your loaded question: no. generally what the people on tv choose to do with their lives doesn’t bother me one iota.  

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Except for gov't trade restrictions they can go wherever they want to compete and make a living, just like me, and it doesn't bother me a bit. 

Does the PGA tour have some rules for getting the players to occasionally show up at some of the lesser events?  Like they can't skip it for 5 straight years or something along those lines?

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back on track here... Jordan Speith takes the lead at -10

JS had really good day at Spyglass. I think, just maybe he’s back.
His putter sure was back today.


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6 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

that’s an apples and oranges comparison.  skipping the waste management for a large guaranteed payday isn’t the same as skipping a major

but to answer your loaded question: no. generally what the people on tv choose to do with their lives doesn’t bother me one iota.  

Exactly what I said. American Tour pros selling out to Saudi Arabia has damaged two tournaments on historic American courses. Just now we know that you don't care if Americans sell out America for Saudi money.

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Exactly what I said. American Tour pros selling out to Saudi Arabia has damaged two tournaments on historic American courses. Just now we know that you don't care if Americans sell out America for Saudi money.

PLEASE tell us all how Dustin Johnson sold out America. 

we’re all on the edge of our seats. 

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3 minutes ago, Rickp said:


JS had really good day at Spyglass. I think, just maybe he’s back.
His putter sure was back today.


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great day on the harder track. now he gets to play the easier course all weekend with a lead. it’s great to see him playing well again. 

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29 minutes ago, LICC said:

I guess you wouldn't have minded if American Tour pros went to play in a tournament in the Soviet Union for Stalin instead of the US Open ...

Are you really comparing current day Saudi Arabia to the Soviet Union.......

ive been to Saudi several times and while the United States relationship was rocky at times it’s currently not so I wouldn’t go comparing playing a tournament on Stalin’s country to present day Saudi.....all I’m gonna say on this subject

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4 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

great day on the harder track. now he gets to play the easier course all weekend with a lead. it’s great to see him playing well again. 

Love to see him playing well being from the same high school class 😭 he had become my favorite for the next generation so to speak.

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25 minutes ago, LICC said:

You do understand that DJ playing in a tournament enhances its allure and stature?

and?

DJ (along with finau and whoever else flew to the desert for a huge check) owes nothing to me, you, Pebble Beach, or the annoying amateurs they usually play this tournament with. 

as long as their tour obligations are met i honestly couldn’t care less where their money comes from, or what weeks they take off. 

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1 minute ago, Chip Strokes said:

and?

DJ (along with finau and whoever else flew to the desert for a huge check) owe nothing to me, you, Pebble Beach, or the annoying amateurs they usually play this tournament with. 

as long as their tour obligations are met i honestly couldn’t care less where their money comes from, or what weeks they take off. 

Again, exactly as I said- you don't care if American Tour pros sell out America for Saudi money.

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1 minute ago, LICC said:

Again, exactly as I said- you don't care if American Tour pros sell out America for Saudi money.

how are they selling out america? you’re still failing to make this point

DJ doesn’t play golf for America. he plays golf for DJ. 

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Just now, Chip Strokes said:

how are they selling out america? you’re still failing to make this point

DJ doesn’t play golf for America. he plays golf for DJ. 

And back to you seemingly not understanding that DJ playing in a tournament enhances its stature and allure.

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And back to you seemingly not understanding that DJ playing in a tournament enhances its stature and allure.

no, i understand that just fine. what I'm not understanding (because you’re failing to make the argument, not because i’m missing anything) is how that means he’s selling out America. 

i’ve asked you 3 times to make that point and you haven’t yet. i’ve grown extremely tired of the circle jerk you insist on turning threads into. this will be my last response to you. 

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1 minute ago, Chip Strokes said:

no, i understand that just fine. what I'm not understanding (because you’re failing to make the argument, not because i’m missing anything) is how that means he’s selling out America. 

i’ve asked you 3 times to make that point and you haven’t yet. i’ve grown extremely tired of the circle jerk you insist on turning threads into. this will be my last response to you. 

I'll try to explain so you understand. DJ (and other top Tour players) playing in a tournament brings more allure, stature, and thus value to the tournament. There are three tournaments he can choose to play: option A- one or both of the tournaments at the historic American courses of Harbour Town and Pebble Beach, or option B- neither American tournament and instead play the one in Saudi Arabia, with a bigger and more ensured payday. He chose to not bring his valuable attendance to either American tournament and instead take the payday to play and thus add value to the Saudi tournament. I'm not sure why anyone needed that explained to them to understand, but I'm happy to add clarification to those who needed it.

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I'll try to explain so you understand. DJ (and other top Tour players) playing in a tournament brings more allure, stature, and thus value to the tournament. There are three tournaments he can choose to play: option A- one or both of the tournaments at the historic American courses of Harbour Town and Pebble Beach, or option B- neither American tournament and instead play the one in Saudi Arabia, with a bigger and more ensured payday. He chose to not bring his valuable attendance to either American tournament and instead take the payday to play and thus add value to the Saudi tournament. I'm not sure why anyone needed that explained to them to understand, but I'm happy to add clarification to those who needed it.

What I think is happening, from what I read, is that you have a point of view you accept as correct, and disregard anything that goes against that.

You're putting Pebble, Harbour Town (that is for some reason spelled using UK English which is hilariously ironic to me), and whatever other iconic US-courses on some pedestal that no one else has them on, and translating that DJ choosing to play an international event is somehow un-American. Also that it somehow devalues the tournament as a whole when they choose to sit out. It's a golf tournament broski, in 4 days no one will give the slightest sh*t about it, so you should get a head start on everyone and move on. Don't watch it or pay attention to it, I promise everyone will be OK.

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6 hours ago, LICC said:

Tour players selling out to Saudi Arabia is damaging tournaments at two of America's historic courses- Harbour Town and Pebble Beach.

 

48 minutes ago, LICC said:

I guess you wouldn't have minded if American Tour pros went to play in a tournament in the Soviet Union for Stalin instead of the US Open ...

 

31 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

Except for gov't trade restrictions they can go wherever they want to compete and make a living, just like me, and it doesn't bother me a bit. 

Does the PGA tour have some rules for getting the players to occasionally show up at some of the lesser events?  Like they can't skip it for 5 straight years or something along those lines?

DJ and the rest are independent contractors, they can play anywhere they choose, with a few limitations.  They MUST play in 15 events co-sanctioned by the PGA Tour.  In addition, as of 2018:

If a player didn't have lifetime membership status -- that is to say, having 20 PGA Tour wins and a minimum of 15 years on the PGA Tour -- or veteran status -- being at least 45 years old -- then they have to add an event to their schedule each season they hadn't played in the prior four seasons. Unofficial events like the Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup count toward the total event tally, but a player needs to add a new event to their schedule, provided they plan on playing less than 25 tournaments that season.

So not exactly as @Shapotomous suggests, but they do have to play different events regularly.  I'd prefer to see the US players in all of the US events, but they don't owe us anything beyond their PGA Tour requirements.  DJ doesn't OWE a thing to Pebble Beach or AT&T, he's not selling out, he's doing what he thinks is best for himself.  If DJ hurts himself tomorrow and never plays golf again, AT&T isn't going to go out of its way to support him, the PGA Tour will pay him whatever pension he is due under the rules, and no more.  Its business.  The couple million he gets for showing up in Saudi may be the smartest thing he's ever done.

Another way to look at it, because DJ isn't there, and a bunch of other top players, a bunch of fringe players will get a chance to play this week, maybe play well enough to earn a nice check, maybe even play well enough to get close to next year's exemption.  DJ's choice gives a chance to someone who may really need it.

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17 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

 

 

DJ and the rest are independent contractors, they can play anywhere they choose, with a few limitations.  They MUST play in 15 events co-sanctioned by the PGA Tour.  In addition, as of 2018:

If a player didn't have lifetime membership status -- that is to say, having 20 PGA Tour wins and a minimum of 15 years on the PGA Tour -- or veteran status -- being at least 45 years old -- then they have to add an event to their schedule each season they hadn't played in the prior four seasons. Unofficial events like the Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup count toward the total event tally, but a player needs to add a new event to their schedule, provided they plan on playing less than 25 tournaments that season.

So not exactly as @Shapotomous suggests, but they do have to play different events regularly.  I'd prefer to see the US players in all of the US events, but they don't owe us anything beyond their PGA Tour requirements.  DJ doesn't OWE a thing to Pebble Beach or AT&T, he's not selling out, he's doing what he thinks is best for himself.  If DJ hurts himself tomorrow and never plays golf again, AT&T isn't going to go out of its way to support him, the PGA Tour will pay him whatever pension he is due under the rules, and no more.  Its business.  The couple million he gets for showing up in Saudi may be the smartest thing he's ever done.

Another way to look at it, because DJ isn't there, and a bunch of other top players, a bunch of fringe players will get a chance to play this week, maybe play well enough to earn a nice check, maybe even play well enough to get close to next year's exemption.  DJ's choice gives a chance to someone who may really need it.

You and others are expressing what you believe are justifications for DJ selling out, but make no mistake and don’t deny what it is. He is selling out. 

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1 minute ago, LICC said:

You and others are expressing what you believe are justifications for DJ selling out, but make no mistake and don’t deny what it is. He is selling out. 

Let me be sure I understand.  You believe DJ, and other top players, have a duty to play the AT&T along with a few other events that you select.  And if he chooses to play elsewhere, he's selling out.  Do you then believe that the PGA Tour should decide which players are required to play which tournaments?  

I apologize to the folks who want to discuss the actual tournament, we've gotten pretty far off of that topic.  I won't talk about this any more here, but may contribute if a new thread is opened to discuss the obligations of top players.

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Let me be sure I understand.  You believe DJ, and other top players, have a duty to play the AT&T along with a few other events that you select.  And if he chooses to play elsewhere, he's selling out.  Do you then believe that the PGA Tour should decide which players are required to play which tournaments?  
I apologize to the folks who want to discuss the actual tournament, we've gotten pretty far off of that topic.  I won't talk about this any more here, but may contribute if a new thread is opened to discuss the obligations of top players.




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7 minutes ago, LICC said:

You and others are expressing what you believe are justifications for DJ selling out, but make no mistake and don’t deny what it is. He is selling out. 

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