Tarheelvolvo Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Let's discuss the MGS latest test about Tee Heights! Article here: https://mygolfspy.com/tee-height-test/ What are your thoughts? Does a Tee Height make a difference in your distance or dispersion on the course? HardcoreLooper, fixyurdivot, cksurfdude and 4 others 7 Quote In my Hoofer: G410 LST 10.5* - Kai'Li White 60 X-flex VRS Covert 3W 15* - Kuro Kage 65 S-flex T200 4-GW, DG X100 Tour Issue - Tester Glide 2.0 Stealth 54.12 SS & 58.10 SS Zing 2 LW - 60* Anser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cnosil Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 I actually tee the ball a bit lower since I tend to have a descending AoA. Teeing the ball up puts me in danger of skying the ball and losing considerable ball speed since I hit it too high on the face. Because if this my distance lassIs negligible. Not sure it will solve the “distance problem” as many pga pros hit down with the driver. MaxEntropy, THEZIPR23, Tarheelvolvo and 8 others 11 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerospace_ray Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I really enjoyed this article and the explanations of the results. Like many that have played a long time, definitely in era's without launch monitor and other modern technologies, we discovered through trial/error how tee height affects ones ball flight and ability to hit certain clubs. I definitely hit ball further with ball tee'd higher. Additionally, I remember how I learned that I did not have mechanics/swing speed/strike angle to launch a 3 wood off the deck but I could hit one off the tee. This article/test helps me correlate or better understand my history with certain lofted clubs and launch angle and benefits from teeing ball certain height. MattF, eddiex72, cnosil and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jddaigneault Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 Is there a tee height the fixes the distance problem associated with the ball not flying in a straight line? Asking for a friend... sirchunksalot, LeftyRM7, tony@CIC and 8 others 4 7 Quote Taylormade M5 Driver Cobra F9 3 Wood Srixon ZX5 4-6 Iron Srixon ZX7 7-PW Taylormade MG2 Wedges 50/55/60 Taylormade Spider X Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 My fitter and I messed around with that a bit last month when I did a driver fitting. I got the best results having the ball teed up a lot higher than I normally do. The AoA was a lot better, dispersion improved as well as distance. Taking that into account, I ordered some slightly higher tees for this year. Tarheelvolvo, tony@CIC, sirchunksalot and 5 others 8 Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03trdblack Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I hope the USGA keeps in mind (if tee height gets reduced) that not all of us play these pristine, perfectly mowed tee boxes. Half of the courses I play require different tee heights just to be above the level of grass on the tee box that didn't get cut that week.... Tarheelvolvo, dobrycki, PMookie and 6 others 9 Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRM7 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Good information but nothing surprising. Tee it high and let it fly as they say! Consistency is key also, I always use my index finger as a gauge every time I tee up so know exactly where I’m at. Also a good tool when you’re wanting to flight the ball down or work it a certain direction. I disagree with the idea that it could solve any distance problem on tour. It would turn driver technology and design in a whole new direction but they would fairly quickly get that 15 yards back. Hell, Bryson would have his delivery changed by the weekend lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk sirchunksalot and MattF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan220 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Great article and topic to discuss .. I guess they could mandate that each player uses a smaller tee or a tee length restriction to enforce. I hit the ball on the up swing not down so when I miss I am really low on the face and its a chunk so I tend to tee it up higher so I dont look like an idiot on the tee box. MattF and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Speedzone Driver Tensei AV Blue or G400 SFT 10. KBS TD 50 Category 3 shaft King Speedzone Black Yellow Fairway 3 wood Tensei AV Blue 65 F9 SpeedBack Black Grey Fairway 5 Wood ATMOS Tour Spec Blue 7 shaft T300 4i-GW - Tensei AV Blue AM2 Regular Flex or JPX 900 Hot Metal 5 - GW Project X Lz 4.5 Regular Flex Graphite Glide 2.0 SS Wedges 54 & 58 TP Red White Ardmore Putter - BGT Stability Tour Black shaft Precision Pro NX7 range finder Ultralight Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiex72 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I don’t think it solves the USGA distance problem. Because, there isn’t a distance problem. The USGA has a leadership and focus problem. I did always believe there was a rule of thumb with tee height. “The ball must be sitting halfway above the crown.” This test was awesome. I can start at 1.5” and do my own test to find the right spot. The distance gains from this test are too dramatic to not consider working from your results. Awesome as usual. Smellis745, dobrycki and MattF 3 Quote Eddie WITB Mizuno MP-18 MMC 4i - PW Mizuno ST190 9.5 Callaway Big Bertha 3 Wood Titelist 818 H1 4 hybrid - Golf Spy Choice Mizuno GW s-18 50 Callaway MD 4 - 54 - 58 Ping Karsten TR Putter 5 Ball: Titleist ProV1 GPS SwingU App Laser RF - Precision NX7 Pro Slope - Golf Spy Choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beakbryce Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I learned to play golf a long time ago and the theory then was to sweep the ball off the tee. Hitting a drive high on the face with an average wooden driver was not the way to go. Golf now is overly complicated when a specific driver swing needs to be learned, i.e., hit up on the ball which is so different from what is needed for every other club. Pro's and elite amateur's have the time and desire. The problem with golf club design right now is the clubs we used are designed for pro's who can swing up on the ball. The sweet spot is high on the club. Most golfers can't learn one swing, much less multiple swings for each type of club. The company that realizes that they need to be designing clubs for the rest of us is going to sell a lot of clubs. This is what would actually happen if there was a requirement for a shorter tee. The driver swing would have to approximate what most amateur's are doing anyway. So go for it. Quote Driver: Callaway Epic 9 degree, stiff (set at 10 degrees with the movable weight in the center} FW: Callaway Epic 3,5, heaven wood w/ regular shaft (driver shaft in 3 wood, 3 wood shaft in 5 wood, 5 wood shaft in heaven wood, all three set at neutral plus 1 degree) Hybrids: Callaway BB19 4,6,7 (4 set at neutral plus 1 degree and 6 and 7 set at neutral minus 1 degree for gapping purposes) Irons: Callaway Rogue ST Max 8, 9, PW Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM6 50,54,58 Ball: Titleist Pro V1, 1X, Vice Pro Plus or anything I find that day and try out for the fun of it (I haven't bought balls with my own money in at least 10 years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smellis745 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, 03trdblack said: I hope the USGA keeps in mind (if tee height gets reduced) that not all of us play these pristine, perfectly mowed tee boxes. Half of the courses I play require different tee heights just to be above the level of grass on the tee box that didn't get cut that week.... Exactly. Taylormade has a gift set of tees that all of their pro players play. Guess what...none of them were the 3-4" tees. Guess why...because they all play on pristine, level, perfectly mowed tee boxes. sirchunksalot 1 Quote PXG 0811X Gen 4 7.5* - Graphite Design Tour AD-HD 7 TX TaylorMade M6 15* - PX HZRDUS Green 80 TX Titleist 913 Fd 18* - MCA KuroKage XMS 90 X /// OR /// Callaway XForged UT 20* - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX Srixon Z745 4-P - PX LZ 7.0 Vokey SM7 49F / 53F / 58K - DG TI S400 Odyssey Black #3 34” Titleist AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Funny I posted this a while back In the Bifurcation is coming Posted February 3 Either I saw an interview or read an article. But in any case I think it was Greg Norman. He said the easiest way to address this issue was to restrict the tee height. Then they proceeded to show how they are now using longer tees to hit up on the ball much more than in the past. They showed Bryson's ball on the tee and his swing path and compared it to a shorter tee and the path it needs to take. Could this help? I don't know, but I thought it was a very different approach to the distance issue. Glad to see this does make a difference. But then they would just change the face angle of their driver from 6 or 8 degrees to our normal 10.5 or something and we would be right back where we are. GolfSpy_SHARK, MattF, tony@CIC and 2 others 5 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruskater Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I always used a normal tee height. Maybe 1/2 to 1/4 of ball above the club face. After a fitting last year, I began teeing it much higher for AoA and launch. I concur with the findings but always thought I had a better chance of finding the fairway with the ball teed lower and hitting my low cut. Anyway...great article. MattF 1 Quote Visit my blog! Cruskatergolf.com for reviews, pictures, travel tips, and more! Callaway Mavrik Subzero 9*, Project X Hrzdus Black 65 Callaway Big Bertha Fusion Fairway 15* Callaway Rogue Hybrid 19* TaylorMade Gapr Lo 4 Iron Callaway Rogue Irons (5-AW) Dynamic Gold X100 Callaway Mack Daddy 4 Wedges Ball: Vice Pro Plus / Bag: Sun Mountain 4.5 Cobalt Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdawg Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I've always teed it lower if I want a lower ball flight. I found this article to be very interesting and passed it on to my golf group. Quote Club: Crown Isle Golf Community Handicap: 12 Ping G Driver Ping G 3 Wood Titleist T2 5 Wood Mizuno JPX Pro Irons Miura Sand Wedge Titleist SM7 Lob Wedge Scotty Cameron Newport Mid Slant Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, cnosil said: I actually tee the ball a bit lower since I tend to have a descending AoA. Teeing the ball up puts me in danger of skying the ball and losing considerable ball speed since I hit it too high on the face. Because if this my distance lass Is negligible. Not sure it will solve the “distance problem” as many pga pros hit down with the driver. Tee it high and watch it fly! I'm similar to you. I'm fairly neutral to maybe 1-2 degrees up, but when I'm not swinging well I have a tendency to hit down and pop it sky high. I feel like the tour pro's would just move to shallower faced, more compact designs where they could still get the launch and spin they want, albeit they might not be as forgiving driver heads as they play now, which could lead to more missed FW, but maybe not the drop in distance they're after. MattF, tony@CIC, GolfSpy_SHARK and 1 other 4 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phvanvle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I have ball in hand, top of tee against the ball, as I start to push the tee into the ground, I extend my index finger and when the finger touches the ground I stop pushing. Consistent ball height every time. MattF and tony@CIC 2 Quote I have played golf for more than 52 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Pro's and elite amateur's have the time and desire. The problem with golf club design right now is the clubs we used are designed for pro's who can swing up on the ball.While pros can swing up on the ball the average across male pros is that they swing down with the driver. https://blog.trackmangolf.com/trackman-average-tour-stats/Time and desire is an individual thing and shouldn’t be a blanket statement. There are players that do nothing to improve and there are players that dedicate lots of time to improvement. As with any tool, you have to figure out the best way to use it. I can use a hammer to drive screws and I can use a screwdriver to hit in nails. While that works I don’t get the best performance. Same goes for golf clubs. I can hit down with a driver or I can hit up and I can use tee height to influence. In this case, don’t think the tools are the problem. sirchunksalot, tony@CIC, russtopherb and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach84 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I just recently started teeing the ball a little higher. Not sure what the distance difference is yet because of it being winter since I made the change. The dispersion seems to be a lot better. tony@CIC and MattF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonW Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Limiting tee height to try to limit distance... From what I have seen in the last 2 weeks, which is when this topic was first raised on "No Putts Given" (Great show, by the way guys), I started to take notice, Pebble Beach and yesterday at Riviera Both Phil M and Bryson tee theirs up, I would say nearly 2 inches (to the naked eye).... Neither of them hit too many fairways. Point is, let them hit big.... if they're good enough they'll hit straight. If not, they'll miss big and it's not even worth the extra 10 or 20 yards they might gain. Just to add, long drivers, like Kyle B etc.... are hitting 2 out of 8 inside the grid (which is generously wide).... See where I'm going with this??.... Risk vs Reward, always been part of the game, my opinion only of course. Quote SIM2 Max-D Driver @ 10.5° 3-wood F-Max @ 16° 5-wood F9 @ 19° 6-hybrid T-Rail @ 23° F-Max Airspeed 7 - PW Irons RTX Zipcore Wedges 48°, 52° & 58° White Hot OG #1 Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Good stuff, but this isn’t anything new. TXG did a video on this a year or so ago, as did Mark Crossfield it’s all about angle of attack and spin loft Sure, the governing bodies can limit tee height, but give these world class athletes and brilliant golf oems time and they will create equipment and techniques that will offset any dumb tee limitations silver & black, sirchunksalot, GolfSpy BOS and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart007 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 So- the folks at Club Champion would disagree with this article and it's findings. Having a recent shaft fitting done for my driver and considering I have a downward AoA with this club, I was fitted for a shaft that was tailored to my teeing the ball lower to reduce the imparting of spin. Not claiming CC is the be all end all answer - but - I am a bit confused now as I was teeing the ball higher prior to this fitting. I do get more run out from the lower teeing of the ball but can't say accuracy nor distance in total has been significantly affected. MattF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumissy Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I use Martini tees for my driver that are preset for height. The height appears higher than I used to place a regular tee and I have been more consistent in my driving. Quote NC Golfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamamoe Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 the lower i tee it the higher the ball flight and the frequency of hitting the big ball increases tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanMan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Sure, having played golf for many years, I believe my ideal height is right at one inch. I check this with my thumb when placing the ball on the tee. Thanks tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BMart007 said: So- the folks at Club Champion would disagree with this article and it's findings. Having a recent shaft fitting done for my driver and considering I have a downward AoA with this club, I was fitted for a shaft that was tailored to my teeing the ball lower to reduce the imparting of spin. Not claiming CC is the be all end all answer - but - I am a bit confused now as I was teeing the ball higher prior to this fitting. I do get more run out from the lower teeing of the ball but can't say accuracy nor distance in total has been significantly affected. A shaft doesn’t spin the ball. It may change your delivery and thus your angle of attack or strike location which in turn could reduce spin. RickyBobby_PR, tony@CIC and MattF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, B.Boston said: I feel like the tour pro's would just move to shallower faced, more compact designs where they could still get the launch and spin they want, albeit they might not be as forgiving driver heads as they play now, which could lead to more missed FW, but maybe not the drop in distance they're after. Bingo. Pros would adjust technique and manufacturers would adjust equipment and the governing bodies will be left, yet again, chasing their tales MattF, cnosil, GolfSpy BOS and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_engel Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Short tees, tighten the fairway around 320–380, and plant trees near the tee boxes so they have to shape drives if they are longer hitters. Quote What's in the bag Custom Classic XL, 9, Fujikura Vista Pro 75 stiff Ping, i20, 15, TFC 707 F (stock) stiff Idea Black Super Hybrid, 19 Aldila Voodoo stiff Mizuno MP Fli-hi, 18, DG SL S300, MP 52, 3–6, DG S300, Mizuno MP 62, 7–PW, DG S300 Titleist SM5 50/8, SM5 54/10, SM5 58/8, SM5 52/8, SM5 58/8 Odyssey Black Series #1 34" with black oxide finish Vice Pro+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Limiting tee height to try to limit distance... From what I have seen in the last 2 weeks, which is when this topic was first raised on "No Putts Given" (Great show, by the way guys), I started to take notice, Pebble Beach and yesterday at Riviera Both Phil M and Bryson tee theirs up, I would say nearly 2 inches (to the naked eye).... Neither of them hit too many fairways. Point is, let them hit big.... if they're good enough they'll hit straight. If not, they'll miss big and it's not even worth the extra 10 or 20 yards they might gain. Just to add, long drivers, like Kyle B etc.... are hitting 2 out of 8 inside the grid (which is generously wide).... See where I'm going with this??.... Risk vs Reward, always been part of the game, my opinion only of course.Couple of comments: I’d suggest reading up on strokes gained. The 10 to 20 yards you discuss does provide an advantage and it isn’t about hitting fairways. AlsoThe faster you swing they farther the ball goes and the farther it goes offline. A 1* open clubface will be farther offline at 300 yards than it is at 200 yards; that is how angles work. While the strategy may not work every hole the percentages play out over time. MattF, GolfSpy BOS, Bruce bb and 3 others 5 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Bingo. Pros would adjust technique and manufacturers would adjust equipment and the governing bodies will be left, yet again, chasing their talesMost definitely. I heard on a podcast where they addressed going back to persimmon drivers and the feedback from manufacturers was that they wouldn’t be built or designed like they used to thus would get better performance. null and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Tee it high and watch it fly! I'm similar to you. I'm fairly neutral to maybe 1-2 degrees up, but when I'm not swinging well I have a tendency to hit down and pop it sky high. I feel like the tour pro's would just move to shallower faced, more compact designs where they could still get the launch and spin they want, albeit they might not be as forgiving driver heads as they play now, which could lead to more missed FW, but maybe not the drop in distance they're after. Pros don’t miss the center of the face so while it would impact most of us, pros and manufacturers would solve the problem and it would be a very short term fix. MattF, GolfSpy BOS and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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