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  1. 1. What was the most surprising result from the 2021 Most Wanted Driver results?

    • PXG being the best value
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    • PING G425 not finishing in the top 3
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    • TaylorMade SIM2 in the middle of the pack
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    • Two top-5 places for Cobra
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4 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said:

I bought an off-the-rack hybrid and off-the-rack wedge last year and I've posted 1150+ times in this forum.

 


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So true I have very limited fitting options, would need to drive about 2 hours. So this give a starting point and truly True Golf Fit is what I used to buy my last driver and it has worked great, which is built with a model on top of the MSG testing data. 

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Who would ever think that someone would say best value and PXG in the same sentence.

...all of the conspiracy theorists are going to be upset that a Ping club isn't somewhere in the list. LOL

And can't wait to hear the Callaway loyalist who scream MGS has a bias against them..ha

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2 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

 

Business analytics.  The methodology and collection of the data is flawed. 

A person that reads MGS is not purchasing an off the rack Driver and shaft unless fitted for it.

So your knowledge is in data analysis which would position you in data interpretation and not the capture of the specific data MGS is trying to capture.   Robotic tests are useful in testing some aspects of the club.   The MGS test starts to take into consideration how the human element influences the performance of a club.  For example attach a club to a robot and it will return the club to basically the same point with basically the same impact conditions.   In human testing,  the shape and markings, shaft, weight, etc. influence how people actually swing the club and you may have a clubs that performs well on a robot but results in a massive hook for actual humans.  

As others have said,  the most wanted results aren't geared toward people that spend lots of time on golf forums. It is geared toward the 90% that walk into a store and buy clubs off the rack with little fitting.   The MGS staff say you should get fit for any club and the most wanted winner may not be the best club for you.   

Also,  if you are against the way MGS captures and analyzes the data I guess you a don't support fitting since it is basically the same process.  Talk off the shelf drivers,  attempt to get good basic fitting, hit some shots, and analyze the results to see trends across a pool of golfers instead of a single golfer (what a fitting does)

Interested in how you would change the capture and analysis of the data to make it more relevant and meaningful.  If you were in charge what would you do and why would it be better and achieve the goal of what MGS is doing.   This is an honest question, I have documented and communicated how I would change some of the testing,  but enjoy hearing others opinions.  Just saying it is wrong is really a meaningless and useless post. 

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i feel like the conversation drifted a bit from the OP but it is what it is. Certainly happy to see the "winner" on there but SIM results are interesting given the huge amount of SIM drivers i'm seeing course and in bags on the ranges.

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4 hours ago, B.Boston said:

Sorry dog... Matty is most certainly NOT human. 😂

Sometimes Matt confuses the heck out of me he will use a mid launch mid spin shaft and then go with the lowest launch and lowest spin and I can't even really tell which numbers are the better ones because their both amazing, Ian is a master at club building and is a great example of mixing and matching almost any head and shaft combos for  optimal results

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

So your knowledge is in data analysis which would position you in data interpretation and not the capture of the specific data MGS is trying to capture.   Robotic tests are useful in testing some aspects of the club.   The MGS test starts to take into consideration how the human element influences the performance of a club.  For example attach a club to a robot and it will return the club to basically the same point with basically the same impact conditions.   In human testing,  the shape and markings, shaft, weight, etc. influence how people actually swing the club and you may have a clubs that performs well on a robot but results in a massive hook for actual humans.  

As others have said,  the most wanted results aren't geared toward people that spend lots of time on golf forums. It is geared toward the 90% that walk into a store and buy clubs off the rack with little fitting.   The MGS staff say you should get fit for any club and the most wanted winner may not be the best club for you.   

Also,  if you are against the way MGS captures and analyzes the data I guess you a don't support fitting since it is basically the same process.  Talk off the shelf drivers,  attempt to get good basic fitting, hit some shots, and analyze the results to see trends across a pool of golfers instead of a single golfer (what a fitting does)

Interested in how you would change the capture and analysis of the data to make it more relevant and meaningful.  If you were in charge what would you do and why would it be better and achieve the goal of what MGS is doing.   This is an honest question, I have documented and communicated how I would change some of the testing,  but enjoy hearing others opinions.  Just saying it is wrong is really a meaningless and useless post. 

To add to what you are saying @cnosil, looks and feel are the subjective portion of fittings that can't be captured with a robot. For many it could be the best driver, but a new appearance compared to the classic head shape, or have an unfriendly sound at impact. Those are the important details in addition to everything objective. A high percentage of golfers on this site I would think are mid to high handicapper, we have a difficult time replicating swings, a robot won't have difficulty replicating or being consistent

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6 minutes ago, RollingGreens said:

Sometimes Matt confuses the heck out of me he will use a mid launch mid spin shaft and then go with the lowest launch and lowest spin and I can't even really tell which numbers are the better ones because their both amazing, Ian is a master at club building and is a great example of mixing and matching almost any head and shaft combos for  optimal results

Yes, they’re great at using the right combo of head, loft, and shaft.

It actually has made me want to try some 9* “max” heads like the XB versus my 10.5* Speedzone and see if there’s a shaft that will get me good launch and spin and maybe a ball speed increase from the lower loft. 

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5 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

 

Business analytics.  The methodology and collection of the data is flawed. 

A person that reads MGS is not purchasing an off the rack Driver and shaft unless fitted for it.

Well since you are clearly the expert do you have any suggestions or do you just like going around telling people that their data is flawed without providing any solutions?

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5 hours ago, jlukes said:

However, the MGS blog (articles, most wanted testing results) is read by a far larger population of golfers and 99.999% of those readers don’t post on the MGS forums. 

And based on their recent social media post they are estimating 16 million readers of the site this year and there nowhere near that many forum members of even guests who check the forums 

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2 hours ago, ACA_619 said:

i feel like the conversation drifted a bit from the OP but it is what it is. Certainly happy to see the "winner" on there but SIM results are interesting given the huge amount of SIM drivers i'm seeing course and in bags on the ranges.

We're not really getting off topic.  We are talking about the driver results and the validity of the data.  The fact that SIM drivers are on the course are either the results of fitting or that people just walk into a store and buy a SIM driver because the TM staffers (Tiger, DJ, Rory) play a SIM driver. 

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7 hours ago, ACA_619 said:

i feel like the conversation drifted a bit from the OP but it is what it is. Certainly happy to see the "winner" on there but SIM results are interesting given the huge amount of SIM drivers i'm seeing course and in bags on the ranges.

I believe a lot of that also has to do with just how popular TM is. They have a huge following, top tier marketing and are a generally good looking club. I believe an average consumer would be drawn to them or Callaway withouth much thought. Regardless of where they end up on the most wanted they will likely always be purchased more then say Titleist, Cobra and even Ping. For me personally I would like to try out the PXG 0211 and Mizuno series given their price and compare it towards the Sim and new Epic. If there isn't a great difference between them then I wont be spending the extra money for them. 
I have a feeling a lot of people with be in a similar situation as me and we may start to see some of those other brands in more bags as the price differences are just so big now. 

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5 hours ago, Apolloshowl said:

I believe a lot of that also has to do with just how popular TM is. They have a huge following, top tier marketing and are a generally good looking club. I believe an average consumer would be drawn to them or Callaway withouth much thought. Regardless of where they end up on the most wanted they will likely always be purchased more then say Titleist, Cobra and even Ping. For me personally I would like to try out the PXG 0211 and Mizuno series given their price and compare it towards the Sim and new Epic. If there isn't a great difference between them then I wont be spending the extra money for them. 
I have a feeling a lot of people with be in a similar situation as me and we may start to see some of those other brands in more bags as the price differences are just so big now. 

Brands like mizuno and Cobra have to over come brand perceptions. Mizuno isn’t known for their drivers, in some places they are hard to find so people will look at Mizuno and think solely about irons, their woods have come along way in the last 10 years. Cobra has a perception of being cheap. This goes back to the days when they were under the acushnet brand and titleist was the main line.

Titleist has some perceptions to overcome too. They were always seen as the brand for the better player, their drivers off the shelf weren’t as long as the TM and Callaway drivers. They’ve stepped up that with the 917 lineup and even more so with the TS and now TSI.

I do think PXG with their pricing of the 0211 line will get some added business and take away a little of the market from the big 3-4 brands and will make it hard for a Wilson and cobra. 
 

As you mention people are going to gravitate to certain brands and a lot of them are the ones who aren’t on forums or Facebook groups but just see the tv ads and tour use.

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10 hours ago, Apolloshowl said:

I believe a lot of that also has to do with just how popular TM is. They have a huge following, top tier marketing and are a generally good looking club. I believe an average consumer would be drawn to them or Callaway withouth much thought. Regardless of where they end up on the most wanted they will likely always be purchased more then say Titleist, Cobra and even Ping. For me personally I would like to try out the PXG 0211 and Mizuno series given their price and compare it towards the Sim and new Epic. If there isn't a great difference between them then I wont be spending the extra money for them. 
I have a feeling a lot of people with be in a similar situation as me and we may start to see some of those other brands in more bags as the price differences are just so big now. 

 

4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Brands like mizuno and Cobra have to over come brand perceptions. Mizuno isn’t known for their drivers, in some places they are hard to find so people will look at Mizuno and think solely about irons, their woods have come along way in the last 10 years. Cobra has a perception of being cheap. This goes back to the days when they were under the acushnet brand and titleist was the main line.

Titleist has some perceptions to overcome too. They were always seen as the brand for the better player, their drivers off the shelf weren’t as long as the TM and Callaway drivers. They’ve stepped up that with the 917 lineup and even more so with the TS and now TSI.

I do think PXG with their pricing of the 0211 line will get some added business and take away a little of the market from the big 3-4 brands and will make it hard for a Wilson and cobra. 
 

As you mention people are going to gravitate to certain brands and a lot of them are the ones who aren’t on forums or Facebook groups but just see the tv ads and tour use.

Taylormade social media is killing it with their videos and segments. Not really a fan of the Trott videos but the Tour Truck Tuesday shorts with both Wade and Chris are great. Definitely not something I thought would happen again but it appears with Callaway tapering off some of their social, it was only a matter of time before another OEM took the top spot

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23 minutes ago, ACA_619 said:

 

Taylormade social media is killing it with their videos and segments. Not really a fan of the Trott videos but the Tour Truck Tuesday shorts with both Wade and Chris are great. Definitely not something I thought would happen again but it appears with Callaway tapering off some of their social, it was only a matter of time before another OEM took the top spot

Agree that TM is doing some good stuff. Even their YouTube channel has some cool videos and they do a good job of using their brand ambassadors/teaching staff well to help promote the product and their players on all the tours.

I enjoy when wade or trottie show the building process and other randomness in the van

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