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1 hour ago, IONEPUTT said:

I could make a video but I will NOT waste my time doing that. I have done the putt the ball over the cup test, and my High CG putter passed and a few OEM putters I did the same test with did NOT pass. As I stated before, I had a dozen of so PGA golf instructors hit my putter and they ALL said my putter rolled the ball better then what they were using. So I did my testing and am happy with the results. I have all the proof I need, and I have no need to prove it again to anyone. Either accept my test results or you don't. Or YOU could modify your putter to be a high CG putter and do your own testing. 

I hope that D-Star will look at what I posted and build a new putter with a HG and learn from my testing. If not that is his choose. 

Okay.  I was hoping you’d be willing to demonstrate what you have learned but apparently not.   It isn’t that I don’t believe you, but the world is full of claims that don’t prove out to be factual.  I was just hoping that as is the spirit of this forum to help demonstrate and show actual club performance.
 

 I am going to give your test a shot and see how my putter does.   What green speed is required for your test as a stroke to roll the ball 20 feet on an 11 stimp green will be much different than a 9 or slower green.  And as previously mentioned the results will vary based on the individuals impact conditions.   

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Unless you have a meter to measure the speed of the green you use, me telling you the speed of the green I used for the test would be useless, and in fact I did NOT measure the speed of the green as my Stimp meter was at home at the time and hot available to use. Just hit a few balls until you find a stroke that hits the ball 20-25 feet and try the test. When I first learned of this test there was NO green speed rating so I have no idea what the speed of the green was when the test was created, so just go for it and see what happens. 

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On 11/11/2021 at 2:40 PM, IONEPUTT said:

What you do is hit a few balls to get the feel of HOW hard you have to hit the ball to get it to go 20-25 feet on level ground. Then set up with a ball about 12 inches from the cup, and hit the ball AT the cup. Right over the center of the cup. IF the ball goes right over the cup with NO problem, the ball was UP in the air as it went over the cup. NOT what you want to have happen. IF the ball was on the grass and rolling when it got to the front edge of the cup, the ball would nave started to go DOWN into the cup due to gravity. And when the ball got to the far side of the cup, it would have been part way down into the cup and the ball would have then HIT the back edge of the cup and it would have then Bounces UP a bit from hitting the cup. I tried this little test with my Odyssey putter and my custom built putter and it was quire an eye opener. With my Odyssey putter the ball DID NOT hit the far edge of the cup, and it FLEW right over the cup with no problem. But when I hit a ball with my High CG putter the ball DID hit the back lip of the cup and it bounced off the lip and UP into the air. proof that the ball had started to go down into the cup due to it rolling on the ground and NOT being up in the air.  This is a simple test YOU can do at your local putting green to see just how much AIR TIME your golf ball is getting coming of the face of your putter. A very simple and easy test anyone can do on the course that does not require any fanny equipment. Try it with your putter and see what happens.

I was finally able to get to the course today and was able to repeat your test with my putter.   What I found was that balls I attempted to roll 25 feet hit the back of the cup and the majority ended up in the hole;  a few bounced up and landed on the green behind the hole.    I then did a few experiments and played with loft at impact and was able to get ball to jump over and miss the hole.   The intent of high CG is to lower launch and spin and your putter does that.  I still contend that there are other ways to accomplish the same thing; one of which is a loft adjustment; which was done with my putter.  I also believe that green speed would impact the results of your test.  

 

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@IONEPUTT I was listening to a podcast that feature a putting expert and he mentioned raising the CG higher and said the benefit is more about how the putter swings and that people can benefit from this design and that it works better than the deep low CG mallet putters.   This may be what the pros you had try your putter were experiencing.  

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So I've done the putter & ball marker. Thought I'd better make a pitch mark repairer.

Pretty basic but works well. Going to flame it to tey and match my game putter:

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On 12/1/2021 at 1:04 PM, cnosil said:

@IONEPUTT I was listening to a podcast that feature a putting expert and he mentioned raising the CG higher and said the benefit is more about how the putter swings and that people can benefit from this design and that it works better than the deep low CG mallet putters.   This may be what the pros you had try your putter were experiencing.  

I'm glad you found a podcast that agrees with what I was telling D-Star and why he should consider making a new putter with a high CG. I think it would work just that much better than his design, which is what all the OEM's are selling. I hope he gives it a try soon. 

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1 hour ago, IONEPUTT said:

I'm glad you found a podcast that agrees with what I was telling D-Star and why he should consider making a new putter with a high CG. I think it would work just that much better than his design, which is what all the OEM's are selling. I hope he gives it a try soon. 

But he isn't building putters with low deep CG (mallet putters).  Also it is about how the putter swings through the stroke; not the roll which is what you were saying it improved.

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Now colour coded 😁

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On 12/15/2021 at 2:49 PM, cnosil said:

But he isn't building putters with low deep CG (mallet putters).  Also it is about how the putter swings through the stroke; not the roll which is what you were saying it improved.

IF you look at this putter design you should notice that it IS a low CG design as I said it was. Look again. 

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On 12/15/2021 at 9:13 AM, DStar said:

So I've done the putter & ball marker. Thought I'd better make a pitch mark repairer.

Pretty basic but works well. Going to flame it to tey and match my game putter:

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Nice!  Are you going to make a belt with a magnet and use this as a belt buckle?  😃

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11 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

IF you look at this putter design you should notice that it IS a low CG design as I said it was. Look again. 

I'm going to just go back and admire the great work being done on the putters being built.  

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Made a start on my new putter. Along the lines of a Scotty Fastback.

I've roughed out the shape and quite pleased with it so far. 

It's 304cold rolled stainless steel, curved bottom. Will have replaceable weights on the sole and a name plate in the rear cavity.

Hopefully have a bulk of it done tomorrow:

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This is so cool to watch - just caught up on the whole thread - thanks for taking the time to document all this.  

I have a few questions, if you don't mind:

a) If it's not inappropriate, I'd love to know what you charged/are charging for the ones you've already made.

b) Is the goal to make this a full-time thing, or is it (for now) just a hobby? 

c) Is there a weight limit/threshold?  I got fitted into a 335g mallet-style putter from a custom-fitter based in NZ (I'm in CA and went to a fitter with their equipment), and I have all the specs, but the pricing was a bit out of my range, but I'm curious if you have the ability to match (roughly) something like this.

d) Are you able to mill the loft directly into the face, or is the loft predicated on how the putter sits? 

Regardless of any of the answers, congrats again on making something truly beautiful.

-Swanny

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10 hours ago, Jondough said:

This is so cool to watch - just caught up on the whole thread - thanks for taking the time to document all this.  

I have a few questions, if you don't mind:

a) If it's not inappropriate, I'd love to know what you charged/are charging for the ones you've already made.

b) Is the goal to make this a full-time thing, or is it (for now) just a hobby? 

c) Is there a weight limit/threshold?  I got fitted into a 335g mallet-style putter from a custom-fitter based in NZ (I'm in CA and went to a fitter with their equipment), and I have all the specs, but the pricing was a bit out of my range, but I'm curious if you have the ability to match (roughly) something like this.

d) Are you able to mill the loft directly into the face, or is the loft predicated on how the putter sits? 

Regardless of any of the answers, congrats again on making something truly beautiful.

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Hi Swanny

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated that people are enjoying the process.

In answer to your questions:

a: The ones I've sold have varied in price as one was a demo that sold for £140 with a generic headcover and the other was to my aunty so did her a great price 😉

b: More of a hobby at the moment but I've had some great feedback from the pro and the users of the couple I've sold. Might do a couple more demo's and go from there. I have all the kit at work to be able to make small batches.

c:Weight is something I'm not too bothered by. I have a ballpark figure from 340-380g for the stainless steel ones. Not looked at doing a mallet style yet as I need to look into the design a bit more. As I learn I'll be trying to come up with different designs.

d: I can mill the loft directly onto the face as that's the last operation I do. With the few I've tried myself I found 3° works for me.

Cheers

Steve

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A bit more progress this morning: 

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Really pleased with how it's going. Did some more research on our CAD package and have worked out how to include blend radii on all the edges which makes it look so much cleaner 🙂 

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Just knocked up a quick logo insert for the rear cavity. This one is acrylic but could do any material/any engraving to suit. 

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Alignment & hosel port done!

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On 3/17/2022 at 6:09 AM, DStar said:

Alignment & hosel port done!

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That's beautiful... but, the hosel port is on the wrong side!😉

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Next step - add the weight ports & buff up the sole:

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