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8 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Yeah yeah yeah. Why did you get a sub 70 wedge? I know you've had good luck with the 699 Pro's, decided to give their wedge a try too? 

The cookie has not been decided yet, but you are in the running. 

I'll add a bit to my price comment above. Like Tom, I was impressed with my 699 Pro irons. Sub 70 had a pretty solid selection of used clubs, making the barely used wedges (basically demos) even cheaper. And then Sub 70 bent them to my desired spec (a degree flat) at no additional charge.

So maybe add personalized customer service to price as a reason to choose one wedge over another.

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Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options th

okay, that is exactly where I am at. I also have Sub70, and I got it because of price. And having used it, I can't come up with any reason to spend more on a wedge than it costs. I'm fishing for someo

@Thin2win usually lets me buy the expensive stuff and then wants to take it off my hands after my ADHD brain moves on to my next idea lol

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5 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Yeah yeah yeah. Why did you get a sub 70 wedge? I know you've had good luck with the 699 Pro's, decided to give their wedge a try too? 

The cookie has not been decided yet, but you are in the running. 

Liked the irons so much I thought I would give it a try.  My Cleveland would bounce on me sometimes if the sand was wet or I tried to use it on a tight lie Then you get the dreaded skull. I love my 60 degree. So I needed something in between the 50 gap and the 60. I ordered a 56 bent to 55. Which in return also reduced the bounce from 12 to 11 degrees. The sole design will also let me experiment a little more with different shots.

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:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

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1 hour ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

 Raw wil rust over time which will increase the spin due to the rougher surface. 

I am pretty sure it has been shown that rust isn't the reason for the additional spin.  The lack of plating makes the grooves a bit sharper which generates the additional spin.  

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56 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

I'll add a bit to my price comment above. Like Tom, I was impressed with my 699 Pro irons. Sub 70 had a pretty solid selection of used clubs, making the barely used wedges (basically demos) even cheaper. And then Sub 70 bent them to my desired spec (a degree flat) at no additional charge.

So maybe add personalized customer service to price as a reason to choose one wedge over another.

 

51 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Liked the irons so much I thought I would give it a try.  My Cleveland would bounce on me sometimes if the sand was wet or I tried to use it on a tight lie Then you get the dreaded skull. I love my 60 degree. So I needed something in between the 50 gap and the 60. I ordered a 56 bent to 55. Which in return also reduced the bounce from 12 to 11 degrees. The sole design will also let me experiment a little more with different shots.

I wasn't  trying to make a Sub70 fan forum here guys... Lol. 

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I am pretty sure it has been shown that rust isn't the reason for the additional spin.  The lack of plating makes the grooves a bit sharper which generates the additional spin.  

I didn't know that there was a study on that. It would be interesting to read.

I would have thought that the sharp edge of the groove exposed to moisture and oxygen which causes the electrons to rise up and form hydroxyl ions.  These react with the metal to cause the rust. The edge of the groove would be attacked quicker causing a softer edge as rust is softer than the base metal which would break down quicker during use.  But thats my materials background speaking.

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1 minute ago, Thin2win said:

 

I wasn't  trying to make a Sub70 fan forum here guys... Lol. 

My 60 is still a Cleveland if that helps. My last 60 was a Cobra.

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3 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

I didn't know that there was a study on that. It would be interesting to read.

The most wanted 2019 wedge article @GolfSpy MPRlinked in the 2nd post of this thread actually talks about it. 

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4 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

I didn't know that there was a study on that. It would be interesting to read.

I would have thought that the sharp edge of the groove exposed to moisture and oxygen which causes the electrons to rise up and form hydroxyl ions.  These react with the metal to cause the rust. The edge of the groove would be attacked quicker causing a softer edge as rust is softer than the base metal which would break down quicker during use.  But thats my materials background speaking.

Quick google search; here is one article.

https://www.golfmonthly.com/videos/gear-video/truth-rusty-wedges#:~:text=TaylorMade says%2C and it has,grooves for longer-lasting spin.

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Most wedges are cast. Therefore, most wedges can only be bent 2 degrees safely. I play my clubs 3 upright and 1" long. I play Ping wedges because I can get them in something besides standard lie and length.

They are the only wedges I've really been able to play. And, I have at least 10 non-ping wedges in the garage to prove my inability to play "standard" wedges, regardless of loft, bounce, head shape, or sole configuration.

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I just read a few and I stand corrected. I did read one article from Today's Golfer October 2020 that stated the opposite only when applied to chrome. Once the chrome wore through the spin increased. It also stated that today's milling technology is better at imparting spin than the rust. 

I relinquish my opportunity for a cookie. 😪

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:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

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7 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

I relinquish my opportunity for a cookie. 😪

Never give up on the cookie

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6 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options that make one different from another, I get that . Alsohaving used them, I can attest to the differences between a CBX2 wedge and a 588 clone.

I've used the Sub70, Mac Daddy Forged, Mizuno, Ping, Cleveland, TM and Vokey wedges. Besides for the Vokeys feeling clicky, I don't think I could tell a discernible difference. They are all basically the exact same shape and weight.

I'm looking for a new 54 and 58 right now, and I need someone to explain why any brand is any different than any other. An Anser style putter is an Anser style putter. Without face tech they are only separated by levels of shinny. Aren't basic wedges the same? 

I'm not trying to incite a riot here, just after 4 years of Forums, I need some more education on why I would pick one over the other. I love the Sub70 I have, it replaced some used Mac Daddy Forged wedges. If they were the same finish, I couldn't tell you the difference between them. And looking at wedges in the store this week, I mean its the same wedge in 7 different finishes and at 5 different price points. 

I looked back, and apparently MGS also feels they are the same and warrant no testing, because as far as I can see, there has never been a Most Wanted Wedge test. 

I'll probably just order some more Sub70 because the are the least expensive. But if one of you can convince me there is an actual difference, I will ship you a cookie as a thank you. 

Agree.  A wedge is a wedge.  I love my Mizuno wedges for their soft feel but Im sure part of it is my own brand bias.

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9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Never give up on the cookie

 It's ok... i just has a Krispy Kreme doughnut.

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:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

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4 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

 It's ok... i just has a Krispy Kreme doughnut.

was it hot?

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

was it hot?

The most important question asked today

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10 minutes ago, cnosil said:

was it hot?

Yes, and rasberry filled. 

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8 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Yes, and rasberry filled. 

That does sound good... 

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On 2/25/2021 at 2:11 PM, Thin2win said:

Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options that make one different from another, I get that . Alsohaving used them, I can attest to the differences between a CBX2 wedge and a 588 clone.

I've used the Sub70, Mac Daddy Forged, Mizuno, Ping, Cleveland, TM and Vokey wedges. Besides for the Vokeys feeling clicky, I don't think I could tell a discernible difference. They are all basically the exact same shape and weight.

I'm looking for a new 54 and 58 right now, and I need someone to explain why any brand is any different than any other. An Anser style putter is an Anser style putter. Without face tech they are only separated by levels of shinny. Aren't basic wedges the same? 

I'm not trying to incite a riot here, just after 4 years of Forums, I need some more education on why I would pick one over the other. I love the Sub70 I have, it replaced some used Mac Daddy Forged wedges. If they were the same finish, I couldn't tell you the difference between them. And looking at wedges in the store this week, I mean its the same wedge in 7 different finishes and at 5 different price points. 

I looked back, and apparently MGS also feels they are the same and warrant no testing, because as far as I can see, there has never been a Most Wanted Wedge test. 

I'll probably just order some more Sub70 because the are the least expensive. But if one of you can convince me there is an actual difference, I will ship you a cookie as a thank you. 

This may give you some insight.  Looks like the answer is CoG location

 

 

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27 minutes ago, cnosil said:

This may give you some insight.  Looks like the answer is CoG location

 

 

Obviously Matt and Ian were following this thread and wanted to give some input. I still don't think I can justify almost twice the price for an edison over a Sub70. 

Were you sold on this?

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20 hours ago, JDHolmes said:

Most wedges are cast. Therefore, most wedges can only be bent 2 degrees safely. I play my clubs 3 upright and 1" long. I play Ping wedges because I can get them in something besides standard lie and length.

They are the only wedges I've really been able to play. And, I have at least 10 non-ping wedges in the garage to prove my inability to play "standard" wedges, regardless of loft, bounce, head shape, or sole configuration.

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Definitely can see why you go with Ping needing those specs. There are a few forged wedges out there that could be made to that spec, but it does look like Pings have the best wet weather spin retention of any brand.  So you get that. 

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Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

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