Magnum, Le Tigre, Ferrari, Blue Steel. Wedges, they are all the same.

[Thin2win]

7 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

I relinquish my opportunity for a cookie. 

Never give up on the cookie

[ZenGolfer]

6 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options that make one different from another, I get that . Alsohaving used them, I can attest to the differences between a CBX2 wedge and a 588 clone.

I've used the Sub70, Mac Daddy Forged, Mizuno, Ping, Cleveland, TM and Vokey wedges. Besides for the Vokeys feeling clicky, I don't think I could tell a discernible difference. They are all basically the exact same shape and weight.

I'm looking for a new 54 and 58 right now, and I need someone to explain why any brand is any different than any other. An Anser style putter is an Anser style putter. Without face tech they are only separated by levels of shinny. Aren't basic wedges the same? 

I'm not trying to incite a riot here, just after 4 years of Forums, I need some more education on why I would pick one over the other. I love the Sub70 I have, it replaced some used Mac Daddy Forged wedges. If they were the same finish, I couldn't tell you the difference between them. And looking at wedges in the store this week, I mean its the same wedge in 7 different finishes and at 5 different price points. 

I looked back, and apparently MGS also feels they are the same and warrant no testing, because as far as I can see, there has never been a Most Wanted Wedge test. 

I'll probably just order some more Sub70 because the are the least expensive. But if one of you can convince me there is an actual difference, I will ship you a cookie as a thank you. 

Agree.  A wedge is a wedge.  I love my Mizuno wedges for their soft feel but Im sure part of it is my own brand bias.

[Tom the Golf Nut]

9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Never give up on the cookie

 It's ok... i just has a Krispy Kreme doughnut.

[cnosil]

4 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

 It's ok... i just has a Krispy Kreme doughnut.

was it hot?

[Thin2win]

3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

was it hot?

The most important question asked today

[Tom the Golf Nut]

10 minutes ago, cnosil said:

was it hot?

Yes, and rasberry filled. 

[Thin2win]

8 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Yes, and rasberry filled. 

That does sound good... 

[cnosil]

On 2/25/2021 at 2:11 PM, Thin2win said:

Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options that make one different from another, I get that . Alsohaving used them, I can attest to the differences between a CBX2 wedge and a 588 clone.

I've used the Sub70, Mac Daddy Forged, Mizuno, Ping, Cleveland, TM and Vokey wedges. Besides for the Vokeys feeling clicky, I don't think I could tell a discernible difference. They are all basically the exact same shape and weight.

I'm looking for a new 54 and 58 right now, and I need someone to explain why any brand is any different than any other. An Anser style putter is an Anser style putter. Without face tech they are only separated by levels of shinny. Aren't basic wedges the same? 

I'm not trying to incite a riot here, just after 4 years of Forums, I need some more education on why I would pick one over the other. I love the Sub70 I have, it replaced some used Mac Daddy Forged wedges. If they were the same finish, I couldn't tell you the difference between them. And looking at wedges in the store this week, I mean its the same wedge in 7 different finishes and at 5 different price points. 

I looked back, and apparently MGS also feels they are the same and warrant no testing, because as far as I can see, there has never been a Most Wanted Wedge test. 

I'll probably just order some more Sub70 because the are the least expensive. But if one of you can convince me there is an actual difference, I will ship you a cookie as a thank you. 

This may give you some insight.  Looks like the answer is CoG location

 

 

[Thin2win]

27 minutes ago, cnosil said:

This may give you some insight.  Looks like the answer is CoG location

 

 

Obviously Matt and Ian were following this thread and wanted to give some input. I still don't think I can justify almost twice the price for an edison over a Sub70. 

Were you sold on this?

[Thin2win]

20 hours ago, JDHolmes said:

Most wedges are cast. Therefore, most wedges can only be bent 2 degrees safely. I play my clubs 3 upright and 1" long. I play Ping wedges because I can get them in something besides standard lie and length.

They are the only wedges I've really been able to play. And, I have at least 10 non-ping wedges in the garage to prove my inability to play "standard" wedges, regardless of loft, bounce, head shape, or sole configuration.

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Definitely can see why you go with Ping needing those specs. There are a few forged wedges out there that could be made to that spec, but it does look like Pings have the best wet weather spin retention of any brand.  So you get that. 

[Kenny B]

Not wanting to buy a set which is what Edison wants you to do, I bought an Edison 49 to try out and replace my SCOR 50; both TK wedges.  Personally, I don't see much difference in launch or spin, other than the grooves are new.  Overpriced IMO; I could find several wedges that play the same for my game.  I like the 49, but would have been happier if I had spent less money.

[cnosil]

9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Obviously Matt and Ian were following this thread and wanted to give some input. I still don't think I can justify almost twice the price for an edison over a Sub70. 

Were you sold on this?

I wasn't referring you to the video for the edison wedge but how CoG impacted performance of the wedge.  At the end they compare a mizuno and titleist wedge. 

[Thin2win]

Just now, cnosil said:

I wasn't referring you to the video for the edison wedge but how CoG impacted performance of the wedge.  At the end they compare a mizuno and titleist wedge. 

Yeah, i just watched it. Thanks for the link. The CG definitely plays a role. Looking at the shots they got, I don't know that the Mizuno or SM8 had any difference in performance. very similar for sure. 

[cnosil]

33 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Yeah, i just watched it. Thanks for the link. The CG definitely plays a role. Looking at the shots they got, I don't know that the Mizuno or SM8 had any difference in performance. very similar for sure. 

I think the most interesting comment was that they put wedges in the same category as drivers on how CG can impact performance. 

[silver & black]

On 2/25/2021 at 2:30 PM, Thin2win said:

 

let me ask this differently, what differences led you to pick the wedge(s) you have over any other brands 588 clone?

I'm a Titleist guy for drivers and wedges. I've never hit anything other than a Vokey. I have no desire to hit anything else. The Vokeys have always worked for me. That's really all there is to it...lol.

Edited February 27, 2021 by silver & black
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[silver & black]

On 2/25/2021 at 3:27 PM, StrokerAce said:

In a blind test is a new sm4 just about the same as a sm6 ? probably pretty close would be my guess.

I hope so, because I'm still playing my SM4's. 

[Thin2win]

On 2/25/2021 at 2:21 PM, fixyurdivot said:

Sorry, I cannot.  As someone who only recently added a non-set wedge to the quiver, I just honestly don't know that much about wedge designs and differences.  I will say the Sub70 is the coolest name... in addition to being lower cost option.  But if cost is the driver, and your position is sound, wouldn't these be the best option?  Did I win the cookie?

I was at Costco this week, went for milk and eggs... got these wedges too. The price is just too attractive. Also, the wedges look really good. 

[bcanini]

On 2/25/2021 at 3:12 PM, Thin2win said:

If they had a 50/54/58 option I'd have ordered them! 

I've played Vokey and Cleveland for years. I purchased these 2 weeks ago for a test run, I found no discernable difference in feel or distance, spin is fine (they stop) flight is good and sound is just fine. I hit Vokey, then Kirkland etc..

If these stay spinney for the season, I can buy new wedges every spring and not break the bank and get the performance of new wedges for the price of one wedge. I can afford new Vokeys every year, I just don't see the need for it if I cant find a great difference. I can chunk and blade Kirkland just like Vokeys, the feel is there and the distance is there. I really believe fresh wedges = better scoring. So I'll come back and tell everyone about my findings. So far so good, I'm a 13, took a 23 year break to raise a family and now play 3-5 times a week, so while not a great player, can play a bit and get a few low scores a year, hopefully more this year, when I stopped I was a 7. YMMV.

Brian

[JohnSmalls]

3 hours ago, Thin2win said:

I was at Costco this week, went for milk and eggs... got these wedges too. The price is just too attractive. Also, the wedges look really good. 

And this is how Costco wins.

[Thin2win]

1 hour ago, JohnSmalls said:

And this is how Costco wins.

At lest I held off on the pulled pork..... 

[Tom the Golf Nut]

What, no pulled pork. You would get shot in TN for leaving it behind.

[Thin2win]

10 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

What, no pulled pork. You would get shot in TN for leaving it behind.

I am having regrets

[Tom the Golf Nut]

9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

I am having regrets

Its ok then. 

[BIG STU]

Most "traditional" shaped wedges take their design from the famed 1958 Wilson Staff SW.  Now a lot of difference in "feel" for some folks can be linked to the blends of metals and the processes themselves for lack of a proper word "brewing" of the metal. Good example Mizuno and Miura wedges have a softer feel. Newer Vokeys for me do not have the feel like the old ( non conforming) 252 and 256 series. None of the "new" Cleveland wedges have the feel for me like the old 588s.  Since the groove rule of 2010 "legal" wedges have more aggressive grooves IMHO which are deemed conforming. The Wishon PCF wedges come to mind in fact their technology is so good Cleveland bought into the technology. I had a set of PCFs when I had considered coming out of retirement and playing some mini events etc. Never could get the right feel for me with the Wishon wedges. On the other hand my bud Bear who is as old school as I am loves those things. 

Wedges can be confusing for some folks now because there are so many different bounce and sole options. Wedges IMHO are something no matter the brand absolutely have to be fine tuned for ones feel and game. And another thought pepole need to learn how to properly utitilize wedges. I have seen people try to hit high bounce wedges off of tight lies and wonder why they hit the ball in the equator. Now high bounce wedges have their place. Notice in my signature I carry only 12 clubs. That leaves me room to like slip in a high bounce wedge for courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. But in all fairness I learned the game when we only had 2 wedges usually a 50* PW and a 56* SW. We learned how to make those be versitile for us. 

On the original post I can see the price point thing. There was a guy 2 weeks ago in the shootout that had a set of those Kirkland wedges. We got to talking about them and I looked at them. They set good for my eye but were a little light for me but of course they make lead tape. But overall I would say on sight they seem to be a good value. But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .

[Thin2win]

6 hours ago, BIG STU said:

But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .

My favorite set of wedges I've ever had were a set of BeCu 588's from the late 90's. Apparently they were more damaging to the environment to make than dropping a nuclear bomb, but man were they wonderful. 

[BIG STU]

8 hours ago, Thin2win said:

My favorite set of wedges I've ever had were a set of BeCu 588's from the late 90's. Apparently they were more damaging to the environment to make than dropping a nuclear bomb, but man were they wonderful. 

What a lot of people do not know is BECU is a waste type copper. The EPA and Osha decided it was hazardous for people to be grinding or working on them. Oh well 

[Tom the Golf Nut]

5 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

What a lot of people do not know is BECU is a waste type copper. The EPA and Osha decided it was hazardous for people to be grinding or working on them. Oh well 

Agreed, right up there with grinding hot dip galvanized parts. 

[Thin2win]

Yep, horrible stuff, but still wonderful clubs. 

[TBT]

Most "traditional" shaped wedges take their design from the famed 1958 Wilson Staff SW.  Now a lot of difference in "feel" for some folks can be linked to the blends of metals and the processes themselves for lack of a proper word "brewing" of the metal. Good example Mizuno and Miura wedges have a softer feel. Newer Vokeys for me do not have the feel like the old ( non conforming) 252 and 256 series. None of the "new" Cleveland wedges have the feel for me like the old 588s.  Since the groove rule of 2010 "legal" wedges have more aggressive grooves IMHO which are deemed conforming. The Wishon PCF wedges come to mind in fact their technology is so good Cleveland bought into the technology. I had a set of PCFs when I had considered coming out of retirement and playing some mini events etc. Never could get the right feel for me with the Wishon wedges. On the other hand my bud Bear who is as old school as I am loves those things. 
Wedges can be confusing for some folks now because there are so many different bounce and sole options. Wedges IMHO are something no matter the brand absolutely have to be fine tuned for ones feel and game. And another thought pepole need to learn how to properly utitilize wedges. I have seen people try to hit high bounce wedges off of tight lies and wonder why they hit the ball in the equator. Now high bounce wedges have their place. Notice in my signature I carry only 12 clubs. That leaves me room to like slip in a high bounce wedge for courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. But in all fairness I learned the game when we only had 2 wedges usually a 50* PW and a 56* SW. We learned how to make those be versitile for us. 
On the original post I can see the price point thing. There was a guy 2 weeks ago in the shootout that had a set of those Kirkland wedges. We got to talking about them and I looked at them. They set good for my eye but were a little light for me but of course they make lead tape. But overall I would say on sight they seem to be a good value. But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .

I’m like you, I played for years with a PW and a SW and that was it and they all had standard grinds and bounce.

I’m in Houston so I get a lot of thin lies in the fairway and sand in the bunkers are much thicker so I carry a 58* wedge with only 4* of bounce.....otherwise I would be skulling all my green side wedge shots


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[BIG STU]

6 hours ago, TBT said:

 

I’m like you, I played for years with a PW and a SW and that was it and they all had standard grinds and bounce.

I’m in Houston so I get a lot of thin lies in the fairway and sand in the bunkers are much thicker so I carry a 58* wedge with only 4* of bounce.....otherwise I would be skulling all my green side wedge shots


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On certain courses here but not my home course I slip either my 588 60* in or my  (gasp!!!) Ping Zing 2 60* in for the same reasons you stated. But for me 2 wedges leads to less decisions. As a norm I only carry 12 clubs leaves room for certain clubs for certain courses. I have been known on the top end to slip a persimmon driver or persimmon 2 wood for certain shots. I think outside the box quite a bit so the conventional thinker can not go by me