Jump to content

Magnum, Le Tigre, Ferrari, Blue Steel. Wedges, they are all the same.


Recommended Posts

Not wanting to buy a set which is what Edison wants you to do, I bought an Edison 49 to try out and replace my SCOR 50; both TK wedges.  Personally, I don't see much difference in launch or spin, other than the grooves are new.  Overpriced IMO; I could find several wedges that play the same for my game.  I like the 49, but would have been happier if I had spent less money.

  • Like 3

We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.”

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 62
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options th

okay, that is exactly where I am at. I also have Sub70, and I got it because of price. And having used it, I can't come up with any reason to spend more on a wedge than it costs. I'm fishing for someo

@Thin2win usually lets me buy the expensive stuff and then wants to take it off my hands after my ADHD brain moves on to my next idea lol

Posted Images

9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Obviously Matt and Ian were following this thread and wanted to give some input. I still don't think I can justify almost twice the price for an edison over a Sub70. 

Were you sold on this?

I wasn't referring you to the video for the edison wedge but how CoG impacted performance of the wedge.  At the end they compare a mizuno and titleist wedge. 

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  Bellum Winmore 787

Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330, :taylormade-small:TM-180

 

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, cnosil said:

I wasn't referring you to the video for the edison wedge but how CoG impacted performance of the wedge.  At the end they compare a mizuno and titleist wedge. 

Yeah, i just watched it. Thanks for the link. The CG definitely plays a role. Looking at the shots they got, I don't know that the Mizuno or SM8 had any difference in performance. very similar for sure. 

WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Yeah, i just watched it. Thanks for the link. The CG definitely plays a role. Looking at the shots they got, I don't know that the Mizuno or SM8 had any difference in performance. very similar for sure. 

I think the most interesting comment was that they put wedges in the same category as drivers on how CG can impact performance. 

  • Like 3

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  Bellum Winmore 787

Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330, :taylormade-small:TM-180

 

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/25/2021 at 2:30 PM, Thin2win said:

 

let me ask this differently, what differences led you to pick the wedge(s) you have over any other brands 588 clone?

I'm a Titleist guy for drivers and wedges. I've never hit anything other than a Vokey. I have no desire to hit anything else. The Vokeys have always worked for me. That's really all there is to it...lol.

Edited by silver & black
spelling
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 4 weeks later...
On 2/25/2021 at 2:21 PM, fixyurdivot said:

Sorry, I cannot.  As someone who only recently added a non-set wedge to the quiver, I just honestly don't know that much about wedge designs and differences.  I will say the Sub70 is the coolest name... in addition to being lower cost option.  But if cost is the driver, and your position is sound, wouldn't these be the best option?  Did I win the cookie?

image.png.248eb1cba57d136c30a6c5b37cbbfef6.png

I was at Costco this week, went for milk and eggs... got these wedges too. The price is just too attractive. Also, the wedges look really good. 

  • Haha 1

WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/25/2021 at 3:12 PM, Thin2win said:

If they had a 50/54/58 option I'd have ordered them! 

I've played Vokey and Cleveland for years. I purchased these 2 weeks ago for a test run, I found no discernable difference in feel or distance, spin is fine (they stop) flight is good and sound is just fine. I hit Vokey, then Kirkland etc..

If these stay spinney for the season, I can buy new wedges every spring and not break the bank and get the performance of new wedges for the price of one wedge. I can afford new Vokeys every year, I just don't see the need for it if I cant find a great difference. I can chunk and blade Kirkland just like Vokeys, the feel is there and the distance is there. I really believe fresh wedges = better scoring. So I'll come back and tell everyone about my findings. So far so good, I'm a 13, took a 23 year break to raise a family and now play 3-5 times a week, so while not a great player, can play a bit and get a few low scores a year, hopefully more this year, when I stopped I was a 7. YMMV.

Brian

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Thin2win said:

I was at Costco this week, went for milk and eggs... got these wedges too. The price is just too attractive. Also, the wedges look really good. 

And this is how Costco wins.

  • Like 1

2020 MGS Hard Rock Challenge

 

SkyCaddie SX400
OGIO Silencer:  Followed by Arccos
:ping-small: G410+, Tensei Orange
:callaway-small:  Mavrik 3w, Evenflow Riptide
:nike-small: Covert 2.0 3H, Kuro Kage Black
:wilson-small:
Wilson D7 Irons 4-GW,  Dynamic Gold AMT
:ping-small: Glide  52, 56 ES
:EVNROLL: ER2
:titelist-small: -ProV1x (left dash)

Romans 10:9

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, JohnSmalls said:

And this is how Costco wins.

At lest I held off on the pulled pork..... 

  • Like 2

WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

What, no pulled pork. You would get shot in TN for leaving it behind.

  • Like 1

:ping-small: Driver, G400 11* SR Flex

:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR  HL 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:Sub70:  JB Wedge 56*

:cleveland-small: Wedge, CBX 60*

:odyssey-small: Putter, Marksman Fang 35"

Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

What, no pulled pork. You would get shot in TN for leaving it behind.

I am having regrets

WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

I am having regrets

Its ok then. 

  • Like 1

:ping-small: Driver, G400 11* SR Flex

:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR  HL 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:Sub70:  JB Wedge 56*

:cleveland-small: Wedge, CBX 60*

:odyssey-small: Putter, Marksman Fang 35"

Link to post
Share on other sites

Most "traditional" shaped wedges take their design from the famed 1958 Wilson Staff SW.  Now a lot of difference in "feel" for some folks can be linked to the blends of metals and the processes themselves for lack of a proper word "brewing" of the metal. Good example Mizuno and Miura wedges have a softer feel. Newer Vokeys for me do not have the feel like the old ( non conforming) 252 and 256 series. None of the "new" Cleveland wedges have the feel for me like the old 588s.  Since the groove rule of 2010 "legal" wedges have more aggressive grooves IMHO which are deemed conforming. The Wishon PCF wedges come to mind in fact their technology is so good Cleveland bought into the technology. I had a set of PCFs when I had considered coming out of retirement and playing some mini events etc. Never could get the right feel for me with the Wishon wedges. On the other hand my bud Bear who is as old school as I am loves those things. 

Wedges can be confusing for some folks now because there are so many different bounce and sole options. Wedges IMHO are something no matter the brand absolutely have to be fine tuned for ones feel and game. And another thought pepole need to learn how to properly utitilize wedges. I have seen people try to hit high bounce wedges off of tight lies and wonder why they hit the ball in the equator. Now high bounce wedges have their place. Notice in my signature I carry only 12 clubs. That leaves me room to like slip in a high bounce wedge for courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. But in all fairness I learned the game when we only had 2 wedges usually a 50* PW and a 56* SW. We learned how to make those be versitile for us. 

On the original post I can see the price point thing. There was a guy 2 weeks ago in the shootout that had a set of those Kirkland wedges. We got to talking about them and I looked at them. They set good for my eye but were a little light for me but of course they make lead tape. But overall I would say on sight they seem to be a good value. But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .

  • Like 3

Driver --- Honma G1-X Stock R Flex----  3W Callaway Steelhead UST Pro Force Gold 65 stiff--- 2 iron 1980 Macgregor VIP Nike R flex-------- Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex shafts--- SW Cleveland 588 Sensicore S-400-- Putter Rusty Santa Fe Bulls Eye Fluted shaft-- Bag Old School Hoofer I had in the stash--- Goes along with my raggety persona

 

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, BIG STU said:

But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .

My favorite set of wedges I've ever had were a set of BeCu 588's from the late 90's. Apparently they were more damaging to the environment to make than dropping a nuclear bomb, but man were they wonderful. 

  • Like 1

WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Thin2win said:

My favorite set of wedges I've ever had were a set of BeCu 588's from the late 90's. Apparently they were more damaging to the environment to make than dropping a nuclear bomb, but man were they wonderful. 

What a lot of people do not know is BECU is a waste type copper. The EPA and Osha decided it was hazardous for people to be grinding or working on them. Oh well 

  • Like 2

Driver --- Honma G1-X Stock R Flex----  3W Callaway Steelhead UST Pro Force Gold 65 stiff--- 2 iron 1980 Macgregor VIP Nike R flex-------- Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex shafts--- SW Cleveland 588 Sensicore S-400-- Putter Rusty Santa Fe Bulls Eye Fluted shaft-- Bag Old School Hoofer I had in the stash--- Goes along with my raggety persona

 

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

What a lot of people do not know is BECU is a waste type copper. The EPA and Osha decided it was hazardous for people to be grinding or working on them. Oh well 

Agreed, right up there with grinding hot dip galvanized parts. 

  • Like 2

:ping-small: Driver, G400 11* SR Flex

:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR  HL 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:Sub70:  JB Wedge 56*

:cleveland-small: Wedge, CBX 60*

:odyssey-small: Putter, Marksman Fang 35"

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yep, horrible stuff, but still wonderful clubs. 

WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :callaway-small:  Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Most "traditional" shaped wedges take their design from the famed 1958 Wilson Staff SW.  Now a lot of difference in "feel" for some folks can be linked to the blends of metals and the processes themselves for lack of a proper word "brewing" of the metal. Good example Mizuno and Miura wedges have a softer feel. Newer Vokeys for me do not have the feel like the old ( non conforming) 252 and 256 series. None of the "new" Cleveland wedges have the feel for me like the old 588s.  Since the groove rule of 2010 "legal" wedges have more aggressive grooves IMHO which are deemed conforming. The Wishon PCF wedges come to mind in fact their technology is so good Cleveland bought into the technology. I had a set of PCFs when I had considered coming out of retirement and playing some mini events etc. Never could get the right feel for me with the Wishon wedges. On the other hand my bud Bear who is as old school as I am loves those things. 
Wedges can be confusing for some folks now because there are so many different bounce and sole options. Wedges IMHO are something no matter the brand absolutely have to be fine tuned for ones feel and game. And another thought pepole need to learn how to properly utitilize wedges. I have seen people try to hit high bounce wedges off of tight lies and wonder why they hit the ball in the equator. Now high bounce wedges have their place. Notice in my signature I carry only 12 clubs. That leaves me room to like slip in a high bounce wedge for courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. But in all fairness I learned the game when we only had 2 wedges usually a 50* PW and a 56* SW. We learned how to make those be versitile for us. 
On the original post I can see the price point thing. There was a guy 2 weeks ago in the shootout that had a set of those Kirkland wedges. We got to talking about them and I looked at them. They set good for my eye but were a little light for me but of course they make lead tape. But overall I would say on sight they seem to be a good value. But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .


I’m like you, I played for years with a PW and a SW and that was it and they all had standard grinds and bounce.

I’m in Houston so I get a lot of thin lies in the fairway and sand in the bunkers are much thicker so I carry a 58* wedge with only 4* of bounce.....otherwise I would be skulling all my green side wedge shots


Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy
  • Like 1

 

:cobra-small: King F7+ UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 6F4 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 5 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 6-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts

:cobra-small: King PuR Wedges 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts

:odyssey-small: Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 3.0 grip

Arccos Generation 1 Sensors on all clubs

Snell MTB



Twitter: @timldotson
Instagram: timldotson
Facebook: TimDotson

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, TBT said:

 


I’m like you, I played for years with a PW and a SW and that was it and they all had standard grinds and bounce.

I’m in Houston so I get a lot of thin lies in the fairway and sand in the bunkers are much thicker so I carry a 58* wedge with only 4* of bounce.....otherwise I would be skulling all my green side wedge shots


Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy

 

On certain courses here but not my home course I slip either my 588 60* in or my  (gasp!!!) Ping Zing 2 60* in for the same reasons you stated. But for me 2 wedges leads to less decisions. As a norm I only carry 12 clubs leaves room for certain clubs for certain courses. I have been known on the top end to slip a persimmon driver or persimmon 2 wood for certain shots. I think outside the box quite a bit so the conventional thinker can not go by me

Driver --- Honma G1-X Stock R Flex----  3W Callaway Steelhead UST Pro Force Gold 65 stiff--- 2 iron 1980 Macgregor VIP Nike R flex-------- Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex shafts--- SW Cleveland 588 Sensicore S-400-- Putter Rusty Santa Fe Bulls Eye Fluted shaft-- Bag Old School Hoofer I had in the stash--- Goes along with my raggety persona

 

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...