Kenny B 25,275 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Not wanting to buy a set which is what Edison wants you to do, I bought an Edison 49 to try out and replace my SCOR 50; both TK wedges. Personally, I don't see much difference in launch or spin, other than the grooves are new. Overpriced IMO; I could find several wedges that play the same for my game. I like the 49, but would have been happier if I had spent less money. 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 16,995 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 9 minutes ago, Thin2win said: Obviously Matt and Ian were following this thread and wanted to give some input. I still don't think I can justify almost twice the price for an edison over a Sub70. Were you sold on this? I wasn't referring you to the video for the edison wedge but how CoG impacted performance of the wedge. At the end they compare a mizuno and titleist wedge. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: TM-180 Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Thin2win 2,091 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 Just now, cnosil said: I wasn't referring you to the video for the edison wedge but how CoG impacted performance of the wedge. At the end they compare a mizuno and titleist wedge. Yeah, i just watched it. Thanks for the link. The CG definitely plays a role. Looking at the shots they got, I don't know that the Mizuno or SM8 had any difference in performance. very similar for sure. Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro Utility: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X Irons: D7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils Wedges: Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 16,995 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 33 minutes ago, Thin2win said: Yeah, i just watched it. Thanks for the link. The CG definitely plays a role. Looking at the shots they got, I don't know that the Mizuno or SM8 had any difference in performance. very similar for sure. I think the most interesting comment was that they put wedges in the same category as drivers on how CG can impact performance. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: TM-180 Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
silver & black 5,749 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/25/2021 at 2:30 PM, Thin2win said: let me ask this differently, what differences led you to pick the wedge(s) you have over any other brands 588 clone? I'm a Titleist guy for drivers and wedges. I've never hit anything other than a Vokey. I have no desire to hit anything else. The Vokeys have always worked for me. That's really all there is to it...lol. Edited February 27 by silver & black spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
silver & black 5,749 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/25/2021 at 3:27 PM, StrokerAce said: In a blind test is a new sm4 just about the same as a sm6 ? probably pretty close would be my guess. I hope so, because I'm still playing my SM4's. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thin2win 2,091 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 On 2/25/2021 at 2:21 PM, fixyurdivot said: Sorry, I cannot. As someone who only recently added a non-set wedge to the quiver, I just honestly don't know that much about wedge designs and differences. I will say the Sub70 is the coolest name... in addition to being lower cost option. But if cost is the driver, and your position is sound, wouldn't these be the best option? Did I win the cookie? I was at Costco this week, went for milk and eggs... got these wedges too. The price is just too attractive. Also, the wedges look really good. 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro Utility: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X Irons: D7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils Wedges: Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Link to post Share on other sites
bcanini 10 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 2/25/2021 at 3:12 PM, Thin2win said: If they had a 50/54/58 option I'd have ordered them! I've played Vokey and Cleveland for years. I purchased these 2 weeks ago for a test run, I found no discernable difference in feel or distance, spin is fine (they stop) flight is good and sound is just fine. I hit Vokey, then Kirkland etc.. If these stay spinney for the season, I can buy new wedges every spring and not break the bank and get the performance of new wedges for the price of one wedge. I can afford new Vokeys every year, I just don't see the need for it if I cant find a great difference. I can chunk and blade Kirkland just like Vokeys, the feel is there and the distance is there. I really believe fresh wedges = better scoring. So I'll come back and tell everyone about my findings. So far so good, I'm a 13, took a 23 year break to raise a family and now play 3-5 times a week, so while not a great player, can play a bit and get a few low scores a year, hopefully more this year, when I stopped I was a 7. YMMV. Brian 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnSmalls 6,201 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Thin2win said: I was at Costco this week, went for milk and eggs... got these wedges too. The price is just too attractive. Also, the wedges look really good. And this is how Costco wins. 1 Quote 2020 MGS Hard Rock Challenge SkyCaddie SX400 OGIO Silencer: Followed by Arccos G410+, Tensei Orange Mavrik 3w, Evenflow Riptide Covert 2.0 3H, Kuro Kage Black Wilson D7 Irons 4-GW, Dynamic Gold AMT Glide 52, 56 ES ER2 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Link to post Share on other sites
Thin2win 2,091 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, JohnSmalls said: And this is how Costco wins. At lest I held off on the pulled pork..... 2 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro Utility: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X Irons: D7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils Wedges: Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Link to post Share on other sites
Tom the Golf Nut 3,525 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 What, no pulled pork. You would get shot in TN for leaving it behind. 1 Quote Driver, G400 11* SR Flex 3 Wood, SLDR HL 17* R Flex 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW) JB Wedge 56* Wedge, CBX 60* Putter, Marksman Fang 35" Link to post Share on other sites
Thin2win 2,091 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 10 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said: What, no pulled pork. You would get shot in TN for leaving it behind. I am having regrets Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro Utility: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X Irons: D7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils Wedges: Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Link to post Share on other sites
Tom the Golf Nut 3,525 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, Thin2win said: I am having regrets Its ok then. 1 Quote Driver, G400 11* SR Flex 3 Wood, SLDR HL 17* R Flex 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW) JB Wedge 56* Wedge, CBX 60* Putter, Marksman Fang 35" Link to post Share on other sites
BIG STU 7,710 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Most "traditional" shaped wedges take their design from the famed 1958 Wilson Staff SW. Now a lot of difference in "feel" for some folks can be linked to the blends of metals and the processes themselves for lack of a proper word "brewing" of the metal. Good example Mizuno and Miura wedges have a softer feel. Newer Vokeys for me do not have the feel like the old ( non conforming) 252 and 256 series. None of the "new" Cleveland wedges have the feel for me like the old 588s. Since the groove rule of 2010 "legal" wedges have more aggressive grooves IMHO which are deemed conforming. The Wishon PCF wedges come to mind in fact their technology is so good Cleveland bought into the technology. I had a set of PCFs when I had considered coming out of retirement and playing some mini events etc. Never could get the right feel for me with the Wishon wedges. On the other hand my bud Bear who is as old school as I am loves those things. Wedges can be confusing for some folks now because there are so many different bounce and sole options. Wedges IMHO are something no matter the brand absolutely have to be fine tuned for ones feel and game. And another thought pepole need to learn how to properly utitilize wedges. I have seen people try to hit high bounce wedges off of tight lies and wonder why they hit the ball in the equator. Now high bounce wedges have their place. Notice in my signature I carry only 12 clubs. That leaves me room to like slip in a high bounce wedge for courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. But in all fairness I learned the game when we only had 2 wedges usually a 50* PW and a 56* SW. We learned how to make those be versitile for us. On the original post I can see the price point thing. There was a guy 2 weeks ago in the shootout that had a set of those Kirkland wedges. We got to talking about them and I looked at them. They set good for my eye but were a little light for me but of course they make lead tape. But overall I would say on sight they seem to be a good value. But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s . 3 Quote Driver --- Honma G1-X Stock R Flex---- 3W Callaway Steelhead UST Pro Force Gold 65 stiff--- 2 iron 1980 Macgregor VIP Nike R flex-------- Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex shafts--- SW Cleveland 588 Sensicore S-400-- Putter Rusty Santa Fe Bulls Eye Fluted shaft-- Bag Old School Hoofer I had in the stash--- Goes along with my raggety persona Link to post Share on other sites
Thin2win 2,091 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 6 hours ago, BIG STU said: But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s . My favorite set of wedges I've ever had were a set of BeCu 588's from the late 90's. Apparently they were more damaging to the environment to make than dropping a nuclear bomb, but man were they wonderful. 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro Utility: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X Irons: D7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils Wedges: Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Link to post Share on other sites
BIG STU 7,710 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 hours ago, Thin2win said: My favorite set of wedges I've ever had were a set of BeCu 588's from the late 90's. Apparently they were more damaging to the environment to make than dropping a nuclear bomb, but man were they wonderful. What a lot of people do not know is BECU is a waste type copper. The EPA and Osha decided it was hazardous for people to be grinding or working on them. Oh well 2 Quote Driver --- Honma G1-X Stock R Flex---- 3W Callaway Steelhead UST Pro Force Gold 65 stiff--- 2 iron 1980 Macgregor VIP Nike R flex-------- Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex shafts--- SW Cleveland 588 Sensicore S-400-- Putter Rusty Santa Fe Bulls Eye Fluted shaft-- Bag Old School Hoofer I had in the stash--- Goes along with my raggety persona Link to post Share on other sites
Tom the Golf Nut 3,525 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, BIG STU said: What a lot of people do not know is BECU is a waste type copper. The EPA and Osha decided it was hazardous for people to be grinding or working on them. Oh well Agreed, right up there with grinding hot dip galvanized parts. 2 Quote Driver, G400 11* SR Flex 3 Wood, SLDR HL 17* R Flex 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW) JB Wedge 56* Wedge, CBX 60* Putter, Marksman Fang 35" Link to post Share on other sites
Thin2win 2,091 Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 Yep, horrible stuff, but still wonderful clubs. Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro Utility: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X Irons: D7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils Wedges: Mac Daddy Forged 52° , 56° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Link to post Share on other sites
TBT 2,791 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Most "traditional" shaped wedges take their design from the famed 1958 Wilson Staff SW. Now a lot of difference in "feel" for some folks can be linked to the blends of metals and the processes themselves for lack of a proper word "brewing" of the metal. Good example Mizuno and Miura wedges have a softer feel. Newer Vokeys for me do not have the feel like the old ( non conforming) 252 and 256 series. None of the "new" Cleveland wedges have the feel for me like the old 588s. Since the groove rule of 2010 "legal" wedges have more aggressive grooves IMHO which are deemed conforming. The Wishon PCF wedges come to mind in fact their technology is so good Cleveland bought into the technology. I had a set of PCFs when I had considered coming out of retirement and playing some mini events etc. Never could get the right feel for me with the Wishon wedges. On the other hand my bud Bear who is as old school as I am loves those things. Wedges can be confusing for some folks now because there are so many different bounce and sole options. Wedges IMHO are something no matter the brand absolutely have to be fine tuned for ones feel and game. And another thought pepole need to learn how to properly utitilize wedges. I have seen people try to hit high bounce wedges off of tight lies and wonder why they hit the ball in the equator. Now high bounce wedges have their place. Notice in my signature I carry only 12 clubs. That leaves me room to like slip in a high bounce wedge for courses with fluffy greenside bunkers. But in all fairness I learned the game when we only had 2 wedges usually a 50* PW and a 56* SW. We learned how to make those be versitile for us. On the original post I can see the price point thing. There was a guy 2 weeks ago in the shootout that had a set of those Kirkland wedges. We got to talking about them and I looked at them. They set good for my eye but were a little light for me but of course they make lead tape. But overall I would say on sight they seem to be a good value. But all of this is coming from an old fart that carries 20 year old rusty 588s .I’m like you, I played for years with a PW and a SW and that was it and they all had standard grinds and bounce.I’m in Houston so I get a lot of thin lies in the fairway and sand in the bunkers are much thicker so I carry a 58* wedge with only 4* of bounce.....otherwise I would be skulling all my green side wedge shotsSent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy 1 Quote King F7+ UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 6F4 Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft King F7 5 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft King F7 6-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts King PuR Wedges 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 3.0 grip Arccos Generation 1 Sensors on all clubs Snell MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to post Share on other sites
BIG STU 7,710 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 hours ago, TBT said: I’m like you, I played for years with a PW and a SW and that was it and they all had standard grinds and bounce. I’m in Houston so I get a lot of thin lies in the fairway and sand in the bunkers are much thicker so I carry a 58* wedge with only 4* of bounce.....otherwise I would be skulling all my green side wedge shots Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy On certain courses here but not my home course I slip either my 588 60* in or my (gasp!!!) Ping Zing 2 60* in for the same reasons you stated. But for me 2 wedges leads to less decisions. As a norm I only carry 12 clubs leaves room for certain clubs for certain courses. I have been known on the top end to slip a persimmon driver or persimmon 2 wood for certain shots. I think outside the box quite a bit so the conventional thinker can not go by me Quote Driver --- Honma G1-X Stock R Flex---- 3W Callaway Steelhead UST Pro Force Gold 65 stiff--- 2 iron 1980 Macgregor VIP Nike R flex-------- Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex shafts--- SW Cleveland 588 Sensicore S-400-- Putter Rusty Santa Fe Bulls Eye Fluted shaft-- Bag Old School Hoofer I had in the stash--- Goes along with my raggety persona Link to post Share on other sites
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