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How frequently are you putting for them?  This past Saturday and Monday, I had attempts on par 5's and converted neither (one birdie, one par) 😢.  It had been at least a month since the last opportunity. I figure I play about 80 rounds/year. [80 rounds/year * 4 par 5's/round] = 320 par 5's/year.    Of these, I'd estimate that I reach the green in two shots maybe 3% of the time (so ~10 putts for eagle/year).  That sounds horrid 😖. Worse, using last year as a reference, I only made 2 eagles... and one was a long RU kidding me putt from the apron. 

Maybe for most players in my handicap and distance group that's about right... dunno? I've heard that only about 10% of amateurs can reach even the shortest regulation par 5 (471 yards) in two shots, so maybe my numbers are typical.  Anyway, watching the pros, seemingly putting for eagles 30% of the time, got me to thinking about my own game.

What are your experiences and numbers putting for the Big Bird?

  

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I don't believe I've ever had an eagle putt in my life.

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2 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

I don't believe I've ever had an eagle putt in my life.

No way... really?

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Just now, fixyurdivot said:

No way... really?

None come to mind. There's a short par 4 at our course that I've driven past the green, but that I don't ever recall driving the green. We have a short par 5 that I've also been over in two, but that is also an extreme rarity, because of the narrowness and obstacles of the hole.

I've made an eagle, but it was a wedge hole out from about 80 yards.

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I had one a couple of weeks ago.  Left a 30 foot putt about 3 inches short, right on line.  I can't remember the last one I had before that.

(I proceeded to hole out a wedge from 105 on the very next hole for an eagle, but didn't putt for it.)

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1 minute ago, 00sportsman said:

I had one a couple of weeks ago.  Left a 30 foot putt about 3 inches short, right on line.  I can't remember the last one I had before that.

(I proceeded to hole out a wedge from 105 on the very next hole for an eagle, but didn't putt for it.)

B2B Big Birds...cool.  Now that is another feather absent from my hat.  I wonder what the odds are for that (amateur golf)?

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This past season i had two eagle opportunities but then i forgot how to hit my 3w. A season prior I had at least two because i could cut the corner and land on the green on a short par 4. That same round, i hit the pin from 165 out with my 7i on a par 5 (birdie putt ended up being 45 ft as the ball sailed after it hit the pin).

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3 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

B2B Big Birds...cool.  Now that is another feather absent from my hat.  I wonder what the odds are for that (amateur golf)?

Clarification...I had an eagle putt that I left 3 inches short, didn't have the eagle.  I did have the dunk for eagle on the next hole, and a birdie on the next.  -4 over those three holes.  I should have quit the game for good right there.  It'll never happen again.

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I've been putting for eagle a few times every season, I maybe make 1. It helps my home course has a 460 yard par 5. I've holed out once from about 65.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

B2B Big Birds...cool.  Now that is another feather absent from my hat.  I wonder what the odds are for that (amateur golf)?

2 years ago I did this. Short par 4 that I hit to pin high and chipped in. Next hole is reachable par 5 that I chipped in from about 15 feet. Probably will never happen again. 

 

As far as eagle putts, if I play the 4 par 5's at my club and don't have an eagle putt something happened. 190ish, 250ish, and 220ish are usually the approach distances I have to 3 of them. The 4th takes an otherwordly tee shot to get within striking distance due to a severe dogleg. 

Now that conversion rate of said eagles makes me want to puke. 2054607412_Screenshot2021-02-25145754.jpg.d1bff4210addde8af72efe9b8243ef19.jpg

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I get a few eagle putts over the course of a season.   Unfortunately,  I rarely make them. 😩

A few years ago got on a par 5 into two, had about 50' ft. downhiller for eagle that I putted off the green.   Had to walk back to the cart to get a club to chip with.   Then stubbed the chip, and whack, whack for a six.  One of my personal faves.

 

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Several a year in my younger days. But as sand flows through the hour glass of life my opportunities diminished over time. Now I look forward to birdies or the ever elusive chip or pitch in for eagle. I don't remember the last time I got one.

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I don't believe I've ever had an eagle putt in my life.

X2 - I consider myself lucky when I'm putting for par or an elusive birdie

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For 2020:
4/28 on eagle attempts
Of the 24 attempts I didn’t convert:
18/24 on 2 putt birdies
Of the 6 attempts not converted:
5/6 3 putt par (feels like a bogey)
1 4 putt bogey (might’ve spurred the putter fitting/ new putter purchase.

So for me, putting for eagle was in fact, more likely to lead to a 3 putt par than an eagle. Perhaps from being overly aggressive on those long eagle putts?



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I had 2 eagles in 2020, both on par 5’s. Not sure about denominator, I’d guess I was on in two on par 5’s at least 10 times last year (in 70 rounds or about 280 par 5’s), but just a guess. That would make my eagle attempts 3.6% and eagles 0.7% of par 5’s played - or 20% of opportunities.

I did drive the green twice on a couple short par 4's in 2020, one I 2-putted for a birdie and the other I 3-putted for a #@*! par (the green was in horrible condition but still no excuse). Is there a worse feeling than a 3-putt par?

And why is a 6 foot eagle putt > harder than a 6 foot birdie > or a 6 foot par? 😳

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This was from a little while ago, but it was in a tournament with my father ad my caddie who I normally see once a year due to living do far away. 

It was my hole 10 on the day and I had previously hit my tee shots OB right on practice and first rounds. So hitting the fairway really paid off! The green slopes left to right with s big ridge and I got very fortunate with a low draw (lefty) that flowed with the hole and took the ridge right down to the flag. It was as straight of a put as I could ask for. Took a quick look, marked it and looked at the ocean till it was my turn to play to not overthink the putt.Screenshot_20210226_114516.jpg.3501256f0d492fb118a50ca27e841a41.jpgScreenshot_20210226_114528.jpg.3630bdd6a4a78ab7fd12874d88264f91.jpg

I have had a few others on par 5s at my old home course, and 2 on par 4s but this will always be my most memorable.

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17 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

I don't believe I've ever had an eagle putt in my life.

Same. I have one eagle and it came on a heck of a lucky bounce where my pitch hit the pin and dropped straight down. If it hadn't hit the pin I would have been 30 feet off the back of the green. 

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8 hours ago, Micah T said:

So for me, putting for eagle was in fact, more likely to lead to a 3 putt par than an eagle. Perhaps from being overly aggressive on those long eagle putts?

I suspect this happens more than we think.  I turn quite a few into pars probably because I walk up saying to myself... "ok self, don't eff this up and get anything worse than a birdie" 🙂

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I'm with many of you.  I don't have nearly as many eagle putts as I feel I should in a year.  I may have 12 looks at eagle in a year and I play round 25 times each year.  I might convert 2 of them, but when you see the pros, it seems like it should be happening once every third round.  

I did have a great 73 last year where I had 30 ft for eagle or less on all par 5's in one round.  Did not eagle any, but birdied all 4 holes.  Just a big ask when usually you still face 200+ yards on the second shot, and to have a legitimate chance, would need to be 12-15 feet or less statistically.

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Have holed out from the fairway once, and might be lucky to get on in two once a year. Just the nature of the course I play the most which only has 2 par 5s and one has water short so tough to go for. Another course around here has the traditional 4 par 5s with the two on the back being much more reachable, but don't get to play enough. But gained some speed this off-season so hoping there will be more opportunities this year.

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23 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

What are your experiences and numbers putting for the Big Bird?

I honestly don't know. Never thought to keep track of that specifically. I have unfortunately, only had two eagles EVER. The first was on a very short par 4 and I holed out from ~35 yards. The second was on a Par 5 playing ~525 yards. Hit a good drive up the right side and then a hybrid to about 10', putt went right in the jar! I know I've had several attempts at eagle before, but was always too far away or having to putt with a severe break in one direction or another. My approach game is perhaps the weakest part of my game and so it is rare for me to be putting for eagle.

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I had 2 eagles in 2020, both on par 5’s. Not sure about denominator, I’d guess I was on in two on par 5’s at least 10 times last year (in 70 rounds or about 280 par 5’s), but just a guess. That would make my eagle attempts 3.6% and eagles 0.7% of par 5’s played - or 20% of opportunities.

I did drive the green twice on a couple short par 4's in 2020, one I 2-putted for a birdie and the other I 3-putted for a #@*! par (the green was in horrible condition but still no excuse). Is there a worse feeling than a 3-putt par?

And why is a 6 foot eagle putt > harder than a 6 foot birdie > or a 6 foot par? 😳

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4 hours ago, Kenny B said:

At my current course in over 5 years, I have never had an eagle putt.  Other than an ace, I've had two eagles from the fairway.

It most definitely becomes a hitting distance issue.  This raises the question whether the tees we choose to play from are correct.  Is it reasonable to expect to be able to reach some of the shorter 5's in two shots?  Personally, I think so.  If you're playing appropriate course length, you should be able to reach at least one par 5 with two solid shots on average difficulty courses.  Love to hear opinions on this.

It takes me a longer than average drive and average+ 3w to reach the ones I play, which range from 470 to 566, and I've have never reached the 566 here in Yuma.  Oddly enough, the shortest one is also the most difficult due to prevailing wind direction, a huge tree guarding the right side, and a fast downslope that moves long, left side drives behind some palms, requiring a thread the needle shot.

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I putt for Eagle quite often on my home course. There is a par 5 that should no way be a par 5. There is not really any difference in the hole from a longer par 4. It is straight up the gut from the tee. It takes a carry distance of 220 to clear the water. I'm on the green in 2 very often. I've probably Eagled it a dozen times or so. It's really nothing to be proud of. Eagleing that hole is like a birdie on any other hole.

All it would take is to move the tee to another location to make it a legitimate par 5. That location exists. The reason for not moving it is because they/he doesn't want to piss people off. 🙄

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1 hour ago, silver & black said:

I putt for Eagle quite often on my home course. There is a par 5 that should no way be a par 5. There is not really any difference in the hole from a longer par 4. It is straight up the gut from the tee. It takes a carry distance of 220 to clear the water. I'm on the green in 2 very often. I've probably Eagled it a dozen times or so. It's really nothing to be proud of. Eagleing that hole is like a birdie on any other hole.

All it would take is to move the tee to another location to make it a legitimate par 5. That location exists. The reason for not moving it is because they/he doesn't want to piss people off. 🙄

Yes, well there are certainly a good many par 5's you describe out there.  According to most information I read, the minimum distance for a par 5 is 450 yards.  

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This seems a bit short to me unless there are other unique features that make a shorter distance play harder (like the one I describe above).  I agree with you that if I was making eagle on a par 5 as frequently as you describe, I too would discount its merit. There is a par 4 on one of the courses here in Yuma that I rarely reach in two shots and par infrequently.  It is uphill into the prevailing winds and has a very sloped green to boot.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

It most definitely becomes a hitting distance issue.  This raises the question whether the tees we choose to play from are correct.  Is it reasonable to expect to be able to reach some of the shorter 5's in two shots?  Personally, I think so.  If you're playing appropriate course length, you should be able to reach at least one par 5 with two solid shots on average difficulty courses.  Love to hear opinions on this.

It takes me a longer than average drive and average+ 3w to reach the ones I play, which range from 470 to 566, and I've have never reached the 566 here in Yuma.  Oddly enough, the shortest one is also the most difficult due to prevailing wind direction, a huge tree guarding the right side, and a fast downslope that moves long, left side drives behind some palms, requiring a thread the needle shot.

Of our 5 par 5's there is one that I might be able to reach from the Forward tees if I have a tail wind.  The others will still require a layup; just a different club.

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This past summer I had 3 eagle putts and missed them .. never had an eagle but starting to come close .. I don’t hit far so it’s tough for me to get a lot of eagle putts so 3 is a lot for me 

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I used to be able to reach par 5s quite regularly and have had my share of eagles.  Have had quite a few eagles on par 4s as well by holing out from the fairway.  But, those days seem to be gone.  On my current course, which I've been playing for the last 18 years, we have 5 par 5s on the 27 holes.  2 of them, I could never reach in 2.  The other 3, I have reached before and of those, I have eagled 2 of the 3 on more than one occasion.  Now that I'm older, there's only one that I can reach in two and that's only if I'm playing the senior tees and hit a really good drive.  It's our shortest par 5, but it's protected by water on the left and a big tree and sand trap on the right.  I did eagle it last season during a scramble, but the drive was not my drive (the shot in and the putt were mine).  Only a couple of other times last year, and once this year, that I reached it, but I missed the putt.

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It most definitely becomes a hitting distance issue.  This raises the question whether the tees we choose to play from are correct.  Is it reasonable to expect to be able to reach some of the shorter 5's in two shots?  Personally, I think so.  If you're playing appropriate course length, you should be able to reach at least one par 5 with two solid shots on average difficulty courses.  Love to hear opinions on this.

I can only think of 2 par 5’s I play regularly that I can’t reach: one is 600+ from the blues and bunkered on both sides from 260-290. The other is 570+ from the tips, and would require me to carry a 4iron 225 over a 50 yard wide pond directly guarding the front of the green. Par is a great score on the former, and birdie is a 50/50 proposition on the latter if you play it as a 3 shot par 5.


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