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26 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You are going to either have to find more 3-4 mph more ball speed which is going to be hard or find a setup that produces more peak height without over doing spin so that you get more carry and rollout.

Imo chasing total distance is tough and it the best way to look at what club is the right one because you are relying on course conditions to be the same every time you play so that you get the same rollout. That’s going to be very inconsistent round to round and possibly hole to hole. Also if it’s to reach a green you run the risk of the ball running thru the green if there’s not enough spin and land angle to stop then ball. 
 

A 13* 3w that launches low and flies low and runs out a lot is a possibility if just looking for more total distance.

If reaching par 5 in 2 and longer par 4 in regulation is the goal why not just move up a tee box 

 

Yup, it seems I'm stuck in the muck.  I almost always play white tees and find total yardage between 5700-6100 manageable; that is to say well struck shots on the majority of holes are reachable in regulation.  Yeah, age-wise, I'm on the downhill side of gaining swing/ball speed and my left shoulder history has left me with the decision not to attempt swing speed training... at least to flat out levels.

Going back through the latest MGS Most Wanted FW's, I do note that the SFT models are among the shortest hitting, so while they do help reduce right side misses, looks to be a at cost.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Kenny at some yet TBD point (or two, or three) during rounds at the PNW Meet-up... "where the hell is my 3w?" 😆.

I just looked at these and there are a slew of options.  I thought you were making a play on words with the "Heavenwood" but they do have such a thing.  What loft do you have?

The Heavenwood has only one loft.  It's 20º whereas a 7W is 21º, but the length of the Heavenwood is 1/4" longer than their 5W.  Callaway has had a Heavenwood for a long time; it's not new.  

The 3W I have is 15º and I didn't have any luck hitting a Titleist TS2 16.5º FW.  Go figure.

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4 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yup, it seems I'm stuck in the muck.  I almost always play white tees and find total yardage between 5700-6100 manageable; that is to say well struck shots on the majority of holes are reachable in regulation.  Yeah, age-wise, I'm on the downhill side of gaining swing/ball speed and my left shoulder history has left me with the decision not to attempt swing speed training... at least to flat out levels.

Going back through the latest MGS Most Wanted FW's, I do note that the SFT models are among the shortest hitting, so while they do help reduce right side misses, looks to be a at cost.

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I don't think this chart accurately reflects distance rankings for your swing speed.  It's based on all swing speed testers... I believe.  It might fair better if the ranking was just showing slow swing speed testing results.

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9 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

The Heavenwood has only one loft.  It's 20º whereas a 7W is 21º, but the length of the Heavenwood is 1/4" longer than their 5W.  Callaway has had a Heavenwood for a long time; it's not new.  

The 3W I have is 15º and I didn't have any luck hitting a Titleist TS2 16.5º FW.  Go figure.

That is interesting.  Perhaps it's the flat profile as compared to the TS2?  I think that's what turned me onto the PING.  I had been bagging a Callaway Warbird 3w (don't even recall it's loft).  It was no problem off a tee but a bit less so off the fairway.  One of the guys in AZ gamed the G30 3w and 5w and had me try the 3w a few times.  It was a HUGE shift in reliability.  Oh, I can still mishit any club in the bag anytime, but my confidence with the G400's is very high.

Good point on the MGS MW Data but I suspect even if higher ss testers were parsed out, it would probably follow the same trend.

 

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10 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

  I almost always play white tees and find total yardage between 5700-6100 manageable; that is to say well struck shots on the majority of holes are reachable in regulation. 

 

... That is the key imo. Reaching a par 5 in two is not a right  😜  it is a privilege. Most Ams should not be able to reach a par 5 in two shots unless it is a short par 5 and a career shot, and as long as your 3rd shot on a par 5 is a short iron or wedge you are probably playing the right tees. I advocate moving up a tee box if you can't reach more than a few par 4's in regulation. Most courses have one or two long and challenging par 4's that call for a hybrid or fairway wood, but if you can't reach more than 75% of them in regulation it is probably time to move up. I think it goes without saying, the game is supposed to be difficult. 

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1 minute ago, fixyurdivot said:

That is interesting.  Perhaps it's the flat profile as compared to the TS2?  I think that's what turned me onto the PING.  I had been bagging a Callaway Warbird 3w (don't even recall it's loft).  It was no problem off a tee but a bit less so off the fairway.  One of the guys in AZ gamed the G30 3w and 5w and had me try the 3w a few times.  It was a HUGE shift in reliability.  Oh, I can still mishit any club in the bag anytime, but my confidence with the G400's is very high.

 

Could be.  Yes, I can mishit this Epic Max 3W.  I did it yesterday!!  But I hit it 5 times off the fairway and only had one mishit, and the ball still went straight down the middle of the fairway... just bouncing!  🤣  The others launched higher than any FW I have hit in recent memory, dead straight and long for me.  

I will say that last week I tried hitting it off a tee so that the ball was barely above the grass; that was no good!!  The ball launched much too high and no distance.  Off the grass is fine; tee no good.  It may be that I don't now how to hit FW/Hybrids off tees, since I never do it.  I always hit driver... or an iron.

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3 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... That is the key imo. Reaching a par 5 in two is not a right  😜  it is a privilege. Most Ams should not be able to reach a par 5 in two shots unless it is a short par 5 and a career shot, and as long as your 3rd shot on a par 5 is a short iron or wedge you are probably playing the right tees. I advocate moving up a tee box if you can't reach more than a few par 4's in regulation. Most courses have one or two long and challenging par 4's that call for a hybrid or fairway wood, but if you can't reach more than 75% of them in regulation it is probably time to move up. I think it goes without saying, the game is supposed to be difficult. 

Good points and to be clear, I am talking about the shorter par 5's or those that are downhill and with prevailing tail winds.  I guess my whole thing with this thread is my feeling like I should have more carry spread between a 16* and 19* wood.  Most times I feel like I absolutely coin the 3w off the tee only to find it barely out 200 yards. Conversely, I'll sometimes thin it off the deck and get 220 yards.  The former is what started me wondering about a lower trajectory, lower spin shaft vs. the Alta CB 🤔.

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29 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yup, it seems I'm stuck in the muck.  I almost always play white tees and find total yardage between 5700-6100 manageable; that is to say well struck shots on the majority of holes are reachable in regulation. 

Sooooo, are you going to play back with @Thin2win or up with me at the 2022 PNW Spy meet-up?  🤔

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1 minute ago, Kenny B said:

Sooooo, are you going to play back with @Thin2win or up with me at the 2022 PNW Spy meet-up?  🤔

Definitely back with that young buck... makes me swing out of my shoes 🤣.

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41 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Good point on the MGS MW Data but I suspect even if higher ss testers were parsed out, it would probably follow the same trend.

 

I might be wrong, but for things like 3 woods and driving iron testing they tend to pick testers with higher swing speeds so that they can get the most out of the club.  If the tester can't produce effective shots they are generally removed from the test pool.   

As for options,  you best bet is to try them but I voted for the 4 wood option;  a little more forgiving and a little more loft.   I have always been a fan of tour edge exotics in this category;  probably one of the most underrated OEMs.    You can pick up an older model for good prices;  I have played several over the years and have one in my backup bag.  

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I might be wrong, but for things like 3 woods and driving iron testing they tend to pick testers with higher swing speeds so that they can get the most out of the club.  If the tester can't produce effective shots they are generally removed from the test pool.   

As for options,  you best bet is to try them but I voted for the 4 wood option;  a little more forgiving and a little more loft.   I have always been a fan of tour edge exotics in this category;  probably one of the most underrated OEMs.    You can pick up an older model for good prices;  I have played several over the years and have one in my backup bag.  

I hadn't thought about the slow swingers not in the pool, but makes sense.  

I did try the TEE hybrid in 17º before the Epic FW.  I liked the 722 model, but not the 721; however, the 722 was shorter than my old W/S D300.  Tour Edge does have a nice try for 30 days program; free returns, including shipping.  

When I got my Epic Max FW, I went through Callaway PreOwned b because I could try them out and return them if I don't like them; minimal cost for return shipping.  I picked the right one, so no return!!

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14 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I might be wrong, but for things like 3 woods and driving iron testing they tend to pick testers with higher swing speeds so that they can get the most out of the club.  If the tester can't produce effective shots they are generally removed from the test pool. 

 

... I mentioned awhile ago my snowbird playing partner had knock off clubs and I finally convinced him to go to a Callaway full bag fitting (convinced as in made the appointment for him LOL) and he ended up buying everything. While he hit all his new clubs better the star of the show was his Rogue ST Max 5 wood. He was hitting the ball higher, straighter and longer than his old knock off 3 wood. And after hearing him say he could not hit fairway woods, it has become one of his favorite clubs. Being a guy and after 2 years of constant suggestions he said "why didn't you tell me getting fit for new clubs would help me play better sooner?" 🤣

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Good points and to be clear, I am talking about the shorter par 5's or those that are downhill and with prevailing tail winds.  I guess my whole thing with this thread is my feeling like I should have more carry spread between a 16* and 19* wood.  Most times I feel like I absolutely coin the 3w off the tee only to find it barely out 200 yards. Conversely, I'll sometimes thin it off the deck and get 220 yards.  The former is what started me wondering about a lower trajectory, lower spin shaft vs. the Alta CB 🤔.

All things being equal 3° isn’t a very big distance gap between clubs. Let’s look at irons. Most sets are 4*”° between clubs until you get to the longer irons then it’s 3°.  Gaps in those clubs are 10-16 yards. We are talking carry here. Rollout with them will vary based on golfers launch conditions and course conditions. So with a 3° in woods if you are hitting both  good you will see somewhere between 10-16 yard carry.

As for total yards again with the woods that’s going to vary as well based on the same things as the irons. Optimal launch and carry aren’t going to lead to a bunch of rollout unless playing on generous fairways. You will probably get more rollout with the 16 vice the 19 beaches of the ball flight.

A thin shot is going to travel further because it’s going to launch and fly lower and that’s going to cause it to rollout further once it hits the ground. This is why I say if you want a shot that’s just going to rollout to 200 or more going with a 13° could be an option because you are going to hit it lower and it’s going to have the potential to rollout more.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I might be wrong, but for things like 3 woods and driving iron testing they tend to pick testers with higher swing speeds so that they can get the most out of the club.  If the tester can't produce effective shots they are generally removed from the test pool. 

We've discussed this before under the "MGS Hit Squad Tester Profile" discussion, but here is a perfect example of where having that data as part of the review would be so very beneficial.  Being able to see how testers who have base swing profiles like mine hit any given club would be HUGE.  I get not having 20+ handicap, inconsistent strikers not test baby blades, but 3 woods?  

How about this as a discussion topic on an upcoming No Putts Given podcast?  Michael @GolfSpy MPR, do you have any input on podcast topics?  

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2 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Could be.  Yes, I can mishit this Epic Max 3W.  I did it yesterday!!  But I hit it 5 times off the fairway and only had one mishit, and the ball still went straight down the middle of the fairway... just bouncing!  🤣  The others launched higher than any FW I have hit in recent memory, dead straight and long for me.  

I will say that last week I tried hitting it off a tee so that the ball was barely above the grass; that was no good!!  The ball launched much too high and no distance.  Off the grass is fine; tee no good.  It may be that I don't now how to hit FW/Hybrids off tees, since I never do it.  I always hit driver... or an iron.

Sounds like to me that you are coming down too steep when the ball is on a tee.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

here is a perfect example of where having that data as part of the review would be so very beneficial.  Being able to see how testers who have base swing profiles like mine hit any given club would be HUGE.  I get not having 20+ handicap, inconsistent strikers not test baby blades, but 3 woods? 

 

... Considering Persimmon drivers were 43.5" and most current 3 woods are 43.25-43.5" with a larger head there is no mystery why these are more difficult to hit well. Modern 5 woods are 42.5-42.75 so more manageable, especially for higher index players. Risking sounding like a broken record, the only testing of 3 woods from higher index or slower swing speeds I would like to see is a comparison to them hitting a 5 wood, and for some maybe a 7 wood. Most modern 3 woods have too large a head, too long a shaft and are much better suited to be hit off a tee, not from the fairway. It is one thing to go to a fitting and hit balls til you dial in a 3 wood and quite another to have 1 - 3 shots a round with no chance to correct your last swing. 

... Golf is a crazy game and everyone is unique so if you think a 3 wood could improve your scoring by all means give it a go. But after teaching many mid to higher index players and watching them on golf courses over the last 30 years I could count the number of players that should be using a 3 wood from the fairway on both hands and still have some fingers left over. Off the tee is a different story. And for Stu one of my MacGregor M85's next to a Sim2 Max 3 wood and a 5 wood:



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45 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

We've discussed this before under the "MGS Hit Squad Tester Profile" discussion, but here is a perfect example of where having that data as part of the review would be so very beneficial.  Being able to see how testers who have base swing profiles like mine hit any given club would be HUGE.  I get not having 20+ handicap, inconsistent strikers not test baby blades, but 3 woods?  

 

Yes, we have discussed this and I think it might be something they are working on with the new website that they mentioned a while back on their social media accounts. 

 It isn't a handicap limit, but more of an ability to hit the club.   The testers have to hit a certain number of good shots within parameter windows; distance isn't one of them, but they do limit the number of attempts to get those shots.   I was removed from the driver test in 2021 since it took me too many shots to get an acceptable number of shots due to excessively low spin numbers.  

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Yes, we have discussed this and I think it might be something they are working on with the new website that they discussed a while back on their social media accounts.   It isn't a handicap limit, but more of an ability to hit the club.   The testers have to hit a certain number of good shots within parameter windows; distance isn't one of them, but they do limit the number of attempts to get those shots.   I was removed from the driver test in 2021 since it took me too many shots to get an acceptable number of shots due to excessively low spin numbers.  

They need to stop testing with left dash (I kid, these were maybe Prov1s?)

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5 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

They need to stop testing with left dash (I kid, these were maybe Prov1s?)

It was just outed that they used yellow balls... the mystery explained 😆.

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12 minutes ago, chisag said:

Golf is a crazy game and everyone is unique so if you think a 3 wood could improve your scoring by all means give it a go. But after teaching many mid to higher index players and watching them on golf courses over the last 30 years I could count the number of players that should be using a 3 wood from the fairway on both hands and still have some fingers left over.

Well, I would have hoped my True Spec fitter would have suggested this path if he felt a 3w should not be in my quiver.   I feel pretty confident there is a 3 wood + shaft combination out there that will outperform the G400 SFT.  Unless he cooked the books on the TSi2/Diamana Thump, theirs at least one.  

:ping-small: G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver 

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w

:srixon-small:  ZX5 Irons 4-AW 

:ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW   (removed from double secret probation 😍)

:EVNROLL: ER5v Putter  (Evnroll ER5v Official Review)

 

 

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