Lie Angle

[fixyurdivot]

How many of you have varying lie angle on your irons?  I've more recently been noticing that both my W and UW appear more upright.  Everything I read speaks to the importance of having optimum lie angle.  It also seems not uncommon to have differing lie from long to short irons.  My latest fitting still has me at a 2* upright, this time testing with a 6i as opposed to a 7i at my prior fittings. I've not had all the clubs checked since purchasing new a couple years ago - so perhaps one or more is off?  It's not that I feel I'm pulling or pushing the short irons out of the ordinary, just me over thinking everything . 

The new irons are going to be 2* up as well but the visual look of my wedges got me to wondering about whether lie should change from one end to the other? 

[Shapotomous]

My irons and wedges are 2* flat.  

[Micah T]

@fixyurdivot Are you making full swings with your wedges? If so, you might want the same lie as your upright irons, so they start/fly in the same window.


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[RickyBobby_PR]

I tend to play my irons 1* flat as a way to help eliminate the left side, but ordered my pxg Gen 3 std because that’s what I was for for in gen2

I play my wedges 1* flat

[fixyurdivot]

4 minutes ago, Micah T said:

@fixyurdivot Are you making full swings with your wedges? If so, you might want the same lie as your upright irons, so they start/fly in the same window.


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Yes, about 80% of the time.  Presuming they were made to spec from PING, they are green dot 2* up.  My question was more about whether having the lie be the same through all clubs is the norm or not.  

[LeftyHawk]

For what it's worth,  2 seasons ago I did extensive lie testing on my own.  I figured who knows me better than me.

Did a lot of reading and research to understand what lie angle was all about.  Tons of testing different lies (I bought quite a few clubs with different lie angles), got out the blue painters tape and a sharpie and started hitting balls.

For me 2 degrees upright on all irons and wedges worked the best. It gave the most consistent results on ball flight and target line. Even with the wedges on pitches and chips as well as full shots.

Chris

Edited March 7, 2021 by LeftyHawk

[RickyBobby_PR]

27 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yes, about 80% of the time.  Presuming they were made to spec from PING, they are green dot 2* up.  My question was more about whether having the lie be the same through all clubs is the norm or not.  

Since there’s a lot of the public who don’t get fit for anything standard lies thru the set is pretty normal. 
 

I would say the number of people who get fit for wedges is smaller than the number who get fit for irons and those buyers tend to just buy wedges off the rack and they may or may not match the irons depending on brand. Those who tend to play upright irons and buy off the rack wedges will have wedges that are flatter than their irons. There’s probably a small percent of golfers who order their wedges at a different low angle than irons or have wherever they buy off the rack adjust the lie.

ive had fitters and instructors recommend wedges be flatter by at least 1* flatter than irons. Because they arent usually used for full shots and due this there isn’t the same amount of droop as with irons.

I don’t recall what golf publication did an article on tour players or if I saw it on trottie’s ig stories or if it was txg but they said most pros play flatter lies for that reason too

[fixyurdivot]

7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

ive had fitters and instructors recommend wedges be flatter by at least 1* flatter than irons. Because they arent usually used for full shots and due this there isn’t the same amount of droop as with irons.

That makes sense.  I was considering not buying the ZX5 PW and/or AW as part of the set and perhaps getting another Glide or Cleveland wedge to take those spots.  I decided to get the full set but just wondering about lie setting for the higher lofted clubs.  This isn't something I've discussed with the TS fitter or the club builder.  Probably best to leave them at 2* and keep an eye on strike location and left/right bias.

[RickyBobby_PR]

7 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

That makes sense.  I was considering not buying the ZX5 PW and/or AW as part of the set and perhaps getting another Glide or Cleveland wedge to take those spots.  I decided to get the full set but just wondering about lie setting for the higher lofted clubs.  This isn't something I've discussed with the TS fitter or the club builder.  Probably best to leave them at 2* and keep an eye on strike location and left/right bias.

With the percentage of full swings you take you should be ok. If you notice any “issues” go 1* flat from where they are and see how that works out 

[edingc]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

ive had fitters and instructors recommend wedges be flatter by at least 1* flatter than irons. Because they arent usually used for full shots and due this there isn’t the same amount of droop as with irons.

 

For Cobra Connect my wedges were ordered two degrees more flat than my irons at the recommendation of my fitter. Honestly, I hated them that way. I understand the concept but anything outside of chipping was difficult for me. I recently had them bent two degrees more upright to match my Sub70 PW and GW and they are much better (to me) now.

I do take a lot of full shots with my 54 degree wedge, however. 

[GolfSpy BOS]

I’m currently 2 flat on irons and wedges. I could see myself going a touch more flat on wedges if I found myself pulling them a lot. But so far so good. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

21 minutes ago, edingc said:

For Cobra Connect my wedges were ordered two degrees more flat than my irons at the recommendation of my fitter. Honestly, I hated them that way. I understand the concept but anything outside of chipping was difficult for me. I recently had them bent two degrees more upright to match my Sub70 PW and GW and they are much better (to me) now.

I do take a lot of full shots with my 54 degree wedge, however. 

It’s an interesting topic for sure. My old fitter had a set of vokeys come in and he was struggling with contact and couldn’t figure out if it was him or the wedge. He’s the first one who recommended going flatter. He had me take some swings and I noticed similar flight and where contact was. He texted me later to say he put them on the lie machine and they were 2* upright, he bent them to where he ordered them and everything was back to he was used to for contact 

[dlow206]

51 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It’s an interesting topic for sure. My old fitter had a set of vokeys come in and he was struggling with contact and couldn’t figure out if it was him or the wedge. He’s the first one who recommended going flatter. He had me take some swings and I noticed similar flight and where contact was. He texted me later to say he put them on the lie machine and they were 2* upright, he bent them to where he ordered them and everything was back to he was used to for contact 

What potential types of issues could occur if wedges are not flat enough? I know about the ball starting left. The reason I ask is because of an observation with my play today. Found that in general, my hands have started getting too high at address and have been striking the ball poorly on the course. I lowered by hands a bit at address and was striking the ball much better. However, couldn't hit a full or 3/4 wedge shot to save my life. However, prior to changing the hand height, I had bit hitting my wedges well over multiple rounds, probably the only irons in the bag i was hitting well was wedges over the last few months. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

30 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

What potential types of issues could occur if wedges are not flat enough? I know about the ball starting left. The reason I ask is because of an observation with my play today. Found that in general, my hands have started getting too high at address and have been striking the ball poorly on the course. I lowered by hands a bit at address and was striking the ball much better. However, couldn't hit a full or 3/4 wedge shot to save my life. However, prior to changing the hand height, I had bit hitting my wedges well over multiple rounds, probably the only irons in the bag i was hitting well was wedges over the last few months. 

The the lefts from just being too upright will be there but also a good chance your heel will dig also causing the lefts. It’s going to have more impact on longer swings the 3/4 to full. 
 

Like with irons contact location is going to be off center. This was the problem my fitter was having and especially with his stock pitches and chips

[TBT]

I was 2* up for years...started hitting more balls left than normal....was recently hitting balls at a range next to a guy teaching lessons....when he finished with his student he said I was watching you...your making great contact but I think your lie angle might be off.

I told him I had been fit more than once and I was always 2* up....he went into his bag and pulled out a lie board....I hit 10 shots....he said you are maybe a 1/2* up and handed me his 7 iron and said this is standard lie, it was a Callaway APEX MB which was pretty intimidating...but I hit it a few times....after 3-4 swings I pured a couple and they were high and dead straight.

So even after 10 years of being *2 up I guess my swing has changed


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[aerospace_ray]

Two of best things I have done for my wedge game regarding center strike consistencies was going to 3/8" vs 1/2" for differences in lengths and 2 degree flat lie angles for my wedges (specifically 62 lie angle vs common 64 std lie in most OEM wedges).

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[Rtracymog]

My irons are 1up and wedges are standard. On shorter shots my heel would dig and turn over, so I went back to standard and it helped.


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[fixyurdivot]

On 3/7/2021 at 11:16 PM, Rtracymog said:

My irons are 1up and wedges are standard. On shorter shots my heel would dig and turn over, so I went back to standard and it helped.


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I'm going to contact my TS fitter and club builder about this.  My Glide 2.0 is black dot standard lie and I'm catching it dead center the majority of the time.  Jumping from flat to 2* up in the AW and PW just seems odd and that there should be a more gradual transition.

[cnosil]

I'm going to contact my TS fitter and club builder about this.  My Glide 2.0 is black dot standard lie and I'm catching it dead center the majority of the time.  Jumping from flat to 2* up in the AW and PW just seems odd and that there should be a more gradual transition.

It really comes down to how you use the clubs. I was talking with Harry after he did a wedge fitting and I think he has a 2* difference between hit wedges and irons. It just worked better for his partial shots.

[fixyurdivot]

19 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It really comes down to how you use the clubs. I was talking with Harry after he did a wedge fitting and I think he has a 2* difference between hit wedges and irons. It just worked better for his partial shots.

When you say "hit wedges" are you referring to full swing, or nearly so most of the time?

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

So since most don’t hit wedges full, having a flatter lie in them makes sense since you are likely having a different path that a full swing PW if that makes sense. 

[Kenny B]

2 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

So since most don’t hit wedges full, having a flatter lie in them makes sense since you are likely having a different path that a full swing PW if that makes sense. 

Many pros have flatter lies in their high-lofted wedges, and that is also recommended by Terry Koehler... The Wedge Guy.

[cnosil]

When you say "hit wedges" are you referring to full swing, or nearly so most of the time?

Sorry that was an autocorrect type; should be “his wedges”. Hit mostly uses them to hit partial shots.