The Players Championship - 2021

[gobama84]

Anybody having problems with Fantrax not updating today?

[fixyurdivot]

Nesmith just becomes #31 on Hole 17.  How many will go see Davey's Locker before close of business Sunday? I'm going with 53.

This provides some insights on making the guess along with some interesting facts about the infamous #17.

How many balls went into the water at No. 17 at TPC Sawgrass? (thegolfnewsnet.com)

And estimated 100k balls/year... RU Kidding Me??!!  I'm guessing most who play Sawgrass don't play junk balls so I'm putting the average cost/ball at a conservative $2.50... or a cool quarter million .  I wonder what the reclamation contract sells for?

[fixyurdivot]

Kevin Na withdraws after carding an 8 on #17... in route to a 81...yikes.

Players 2021: Kevin Na has total meltdown on No. 17, promptly WDs | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

[StrokerAce]

28 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Kevin Na withdraws after carding an 8 on #17... in route to a 81...yikes.

Players 2021: Kevin Na has total meltdown on No. 17, promptly WDs | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

...and Ben An cards an 11 !!

Why did these guys keep firing at the pin? Just hit the middle of the green and putt out. That's amateur golf 101 right there.

[Chip Strokes]

1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Nesmith just becomes #31 on Hole 17.  How many will go see Davey's Locker before close of business Sunday? I'm going with 53.

This provides some insights on making the guess along with some interesting facts about the infamous #17.

How many balls went into the water at No. 17 at TPC Sawgrass? (thegolfnewsnet.com)

And estimated 100k balls/year... RU Kidding Me??!!  I'm guessing most who play Sawgrass don't play junk balls so I'm putting the average cost/ball at a conservative $2.50... or a cool quarter million .  I wonder what the reclamation contract sells for?

Random Golf Clubs did a great piece on a golf ball diver. the amount of money he makes from diving and recovering golf balls was pretty staggering. 

[tony@CIC]

19 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

Random Golf Clubs did a great piece on a golf ball diver. the amount of money he makes from diving and recovering golf balls was pretty staggering. 

Having seen the alligators around Florida courses he's entitled to every $

[aerospace_ray]

Pretty neat stats discussed regarding Sergio and his top 3 performances in this tournament and the respect for his ball striking.

"Best shoulder turn through ball" comment by golf channel guys.... geeez I got got a pretty good over the top shoulder move at times that I bet rivals anyone  . Seriously though I wish I had Sergio's swing. 

[RollingGreens]

25 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

Random Golf Clubs did a great piece on a golf ball diver. the amount of money he makes from diving and recovering golf balls was pretty staggering. 

 

4 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Having seen the alligators around Florida courses he's entitled to every $

It's a dangerous gig, it seems like one a year pass away from various things while on the job

[fixyurdivot]

37 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

...and Ben An cards an 11 !!

Why did these guys keep firing at the pin? Just hit the middle of the green and putt out. That's amateur golf 101 right there.

Well, they may have been firing at the middle.  Wow, I hadn't heard about Ben's meltdown . The commentators were saying that with today's pin location that taking the penalty shots from the tee was easier than the drop area.

[RollingGreens]

1 minute ago, aerospace_ray said:

Pretty neat stats discussed regarding Sergio and his top 3 performances in this tournament and the respect for his ball striking.

"Best shoulder turn through ball" comment by golf channel guys.... geeez I got got a pretty good over the top shoulder move at times that I bet rivals anyone  . Seriously though I wish I had Sergio's swing. 

I'll take that ball striking ability with his irons any day of the week!!

[ncwoz]

2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Kevin Na withdraws after carding an 8 on #17... in route to a 81...yikes.

Players 2021: Kevin Na has total meltdown on No. 17, promptly WDs | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

And he said it was because of a back injury. Ooookay! I can honestly say I've never...well...come to think of it ailments are the exclusive reason I have all my bad rounds!

[revkev]

I hardly saw any of it but Sirius radio made the 3 hour drive across state seem like 3 minutes!


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[StrokerAce]

Henrik Stenson shot an 85 on Thursday.... 

This is an Open Champion... and he shot EIGHTY FIVE

I thought this from his coach was pretty telling:

“Between us, we’ve confused his mind trying to get him back to the level he was at in 2016, searching too much for perfection instead of sticking to the basic stuff,” Cowen said. “I blame myself as much as anybody. The coach has to take the blame when that happens. It could be mental as well. He’s thinking about how to swing it when he’s hitting the shot, which is a recipe for disaster.”

The line in bold is my HUGE takeaway. I remember my good rounds vs bad and I never recall thinking about HOW to swing when I'm playing well. When I'm not.... that could be a reason why (among probably many others LOL)...

 

 

[ncwoz]

Sungjae, from E par and 7 back... 7 holes later and he's -7 and tied for the lead! What a run!

[fixyurdivot]

Big kudos to Stenson for finishing out with the +15, and Kyle Stanley at +23... could have easily developed back spasm's from the added work. And how about Rory - would have lost my Duluth underwear on that bet. Kidding aside, I'm amazed at some of the names heading home today.  Team Lee Westwood/Helen Storey getting it done...again. 

Dammit, Webb just went fishing at the 17th... victim #47. 

[FrogginBullfish]

Bryson effect...

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[aerospace_ray]

Couple of thoughts from today's scores. Happy Spieth battled back to even par. Charley Hoffman impressive run to -4. I so wish I could be unfocused and card six birdies in a round, Phil Mickelson... Ok, honestly wish I could make six birdies in a round  focused or not. 

[revkev]

In regards to Stenson I read something recently that was positing that he killed himself by hitting the 3 wood and not hitting driver. In just that amount of time giving away the distance he was off the tee made it very difficult to compete putting pressure on the rest of his bag and it spiraled out of control on him.

Is this field bunched or what. Anyone who makes the cut has a chance depending upon what the leaders do.


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[fixyurdivot]

57 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Bryson effect...
 

 

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I had been wondering about this very thing. Rory is long enough and would be wise not to fall into the chase Bryson trap. I am still of the opinion that Bryson's ball mauling stroke will have a limited shelf life. 

Listening to Rory's interview he did mention that people are not giving enough credit to Bryson for his ability to get out of the thick rough.  He also attributed some of that to his longer short irons (one length) and the ability to generate more speed with them.  Great point... I hadn't even thought about the one-length factor.

[tony@CIC]

Heck I can do this also: 

https://golf.com/news/sergio-garcia-misses-1-foot-putt-players/?utm_campaign=forecast&utm_source=golf.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content={date(&utm_term=GOLFcom Top Stories Newsletter

[fixyurdivot]

26 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Heck I can do this also: 

https://golf.com/news/sergio-garcia-misses-1-foot-putt-players/?utm_campaign=forecast&utm_source=golf.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content={date(&utm_term=GOLFcom Top Stories Newsletter

Finally, something we have over the pros... SLP .

[revkev]

I had been wondering about this very thing. Rory is long enough and would be wise not to fall into the chase Bryson trap. I am still of the opinion that Bryson's ball mauling stroke will have a limited shelf life. 
Listening to Rory's interview he did mention that people are not giving enough credit to Bryson for his ability to get out of the thick rough.  He also attributed some of that to his longer short irons (one length) and the ability to generate more speed with them.  Great point... I hadn't even thought about the one-length factor.

I listened to Rory’s interview while working out this morning and I must say that I was stunned. I guess that’s the difference between the mentality of a touring pro and athletes in other sports. Could you imagine Lawrence Taylor saying, “So they’re going to block me with tackles, I’m going to have to get bigger and stronger?” He was saying, “Better bring a tight end and fullback too because I’m going to kick all their butts.”

In golf you need to look at the data, analyze it and say, “Here’s my weakness either I can work around it or I need to improve in that area.” Distance and ball striking have always been a strength for Rory, to think he’d chase distance because a guy win a US Open is ridiculous. Was he watching Jordan Spieth the last 3 seasons or not?

Most guys on tour are long enough, top 1/3 I distance has always been long enough.


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[fixyurdivot]

6 minutes ago, revkev said:

 

I listened to Rory’s interview while working out this morning and I must say that I was stunned. I guess that’s the difference between the mentality of a touring pro and athletes in other sports. Could you imagine Lawrence Taylor saying, “So they’re going to block me with tackles, I’m going to have to get bigger and stronger?” He was saying, “Better bring a tight end and fullback too because I’m going to kick all their butts.”

In golf you need to look at the data, analyze it and say, “Here’s my weakness either I can work around it or I need to improve in that area.” Distance and ball striking have always been a strength for Rory, to think he’d chase distance because a guy win a US Open is ridiculous. Was he watching Jordan Spieth the last 3 seasons or not?

Most guys on tour are long enough, top 1/3 I distance has always been long enough.


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Good points.  Plus, middle of the pack and even short hitters win their share of events.  That said, it's easy to understand how these guys get sucked into the long drive chase... whether we care to admit it or not, it is in our DNA.

[Middler]

Lee Westwood? Out of nowhere last week and then again this week! I don't have anything for or against him, but he sure has come into fine form lately. Maybe sleeping with your caddie does wonders?

[daviddvm]

24 minutes ago, Middler said:

Lee Westwood? Out of nowhere last week and then again this week! I don't have anything for or against him, but he sure has come into fine form lately. Maybe sleeping with your caddie does wonders?

He's been rounding into form since last year and has long been considered one of the best players never to win a major

[ncwoz]

16 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Listening to Rory's interview he did mention that people are not giving enough credit to Bryson for his ability to get out of the thick rough.  He also attributed some of that to his longer short irons (one length) and the ability to generate more speed with them.  Great point... I hadn't even thought about the one-length factor.

Totally agree, that's a great insight I hadn't thought about before either. Some of the announcers have also mentioned how the steepness of his swing helps him out of the rough as well. A few months back I remember watching a Crossfield video saying that when he's in the rough he swings steeper to minimize how much grass the clubhead interacts with before the ball. Is that a pretty common concept good players use out of the rough? If it's easier with a steeper swing out of the rough, are there any major downsides to just always swinging steeper so you don't need to swing differently when you're in the roughh vs out of it?

[fixyurdivot]

39 minutes ago, ncwoz said:

Totally agree, that's a great insight I hadn't thought about before either. Some of the announcers have also mentioned how the steepness of his swing helps him out of the rough as well. A few months back I remember watching a Crossfield video saying that when he's in the rough he swings steeper to minimize how much grass the clubhead interacts with before the ball. Is that a pretty common concept good players use out of the rough? If it's easier with a steeper swing out of the rough, are there any major downsides to just always swinging steeper so you don't need to swing differently when you're in the roughh vs out of it?

Hoping this will be a benefit I'll see from the new v-soles... when I finally get them .

[cnosil]

3 hours ago, revkev said:

In golf you need to look at the data, analyze it and say, “Here’s my weakness either I can work around it or I need to improve in that area.” Distance and ball striking have always been a strength for Rory, to think he’d chase distance because a guy win a US Open is ridiculous. Was he watching Jordan Spieth the last 3 seasons or not?
 

I didn't take Rory's comments as a chase for distance but a chase for more speed.  The benefit he saw at the US Open was his play out of rough;  more speed and steeper AoA minimized the penal nature of the rough. 

[Rickp]

Heck I can do this also: 
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Yup, me too


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[GunnarB]

JT finally coming back into form! His putter has been on fire today  it's nice to see him bounce back last week and today after the Genesis showing.