LeftyRM7 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I’d say there is good reason that they have chosen not to make a rule change. Like a lot of proposed rule changes, it looks great on paper but in reality it just opens up a whole can of worms. You have to define a “divot” and have some sort of protocol in place for how to police it. Which, as Patrick Reed has proven, the tour doesn’t seem too concerned about policing the rules. Play it as it lies like any other situation on course and move on.Here’s a thought... Why don’t they fill their divots in the first place? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchat07 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Play it as it lies. Part of the beauty of golf, good shot can lead to a bad outcome and bad shot can lead to a good outcome.Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app HardcoreLooper and Tarheelvolvo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheelvolvo Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, LeftyRM7 said: I’d say there is good reason that they have chosen not to make a rule change. Like a lot of proposed rule changes, it looks great on paper but in reality it just opens up a whole can of worms. You have to define a “divot” and have some sort of protocol in place for how to police it. Which, as Patrick Reed has proven, the tour doesn’t seem too concerned about policing the rules. Play it as it lies like any other situation on course and move on. Here’s a thought... Why don’t they fill their divots in the first place? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oh man, you KNOW Reed would push the limits of that rule the first chance he gets, lol HardcoreLooper and LeftyRM7 2 Quote In my Hoofer: G410 LST 10.5* - Kai'Li White 60 X-flex VRS Covert 3W 15* - Kuro Kage 65 S-flex T200 4-GW, DG X100 Tour Issue - Tester Glide 2.0 Stealth 54.12 SS & 58.10 SS Zing 2 LW - 60* Anser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Not a fan of Paige really, but she could be on to something here: [/url] What do you think? Did Westwood catch a bad break after hitting a great drive on 18? Not sure about you guys, but when I'm not playing in a match I definitely move it out of any fairway "holes" when I find one. (And I say holes because these are rarely smooth and clean sand-filled divots LOL)I’ve always said that should be a rule...during some PGA events where the fairway is sloped one direction it looks like a mine field of divots by the end of the week.You should never be punished for hitting a drive in the middle of the fairway. If the ball came to rest on a sprinkler head you get relief, if it hits casual water you get relief...heck if it’s an ant bed you get relief!!A fairway divot should be considered ground under repair and you should be entitled to relief. Plain and simpleSent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Tarheelvolvo, Tom the Golf Nut and Kenny B 3 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 If you move your ball out of a divot, you're cheating yourself out of one of the greatest thrills in golf when you rip a low screamer with tons of spin out of an old divot. downlowkey, Peaksy68, Tarheelvolvo and 1 other 3 1 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 hours ago, LeftyRM7 said: I’d say there is good reason that they have chosen not to make a rule change. Like a lot of proposed rule changes, it looks great on paper but in reality it just opens up a whole can of worms. You have to define a “divot” and have some sort of protocol in place for how to police it. Which, as Patrick Reed has proven, the tour doesn’t seem too concerned about policing the rules. Play it as it lies like any other situation on course and move on. Here’s a thought... Why don’t they fill their divots in the first place? I agree almost 100%. As for Reed, he was penalized (appropriately) for moving sand in a backswing, thus improving his lie. He followed every rule during the embedded ball drama recently. The Rule that the Tour seems not to care about is "backstopping", and that's done fairly regularly by players that are generally well liked. And of course they're well-liked, they're leaving balls in place to help other players, when they really should be marking and lifting. Tarheelvolvo 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, DaveP043 said: I agree almost 100%. As for Reed, he was penalized (appropriately) for moving sand in a backswing, thus improving his lie. He followed every rule during the embedded ball drama recently. The Rule that the Tour seems not to care about is "backstopping", and that's done fairly regularly by players that are generally well liked. And of course they're well-liked, they're leaving balls in place to help other players, when they really should be marking and lifting. Those guys are better than me. If I were playing for the kind of money they play for, I'm not liking the other players very much. And, I'm marking my ball!!! LOL Kenny B and Tarheelvolvo 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said: If you move your ball out of a divot, you're cheating yourself out of one of the greatest thrills in golf when you rip a low screamer with tons of spin out of an old divot. Balls don't come out of non-sand filled divots very well with a hybrid, which I use a lot where other use irons. I have taken an unplayable lie in the middle of the fairway. Another reason I don't play in tournaments anymore. fixyurdivot, Tarheelvolvo and HardcoreLooper 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/9/2021 at 8:21 PM, GolfSpy_THV said: Oh man, you KNOW Reed would push the limits of that rule the first chance he gets, lol Every single golfer out there would use the rule to its maximum advantage. I know I do, I take relief when it allowed and it helps me. That's one reason a good understanding of the rules is a real asset in playing competitively. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Ha! When one plays a public goat ranch like I do, hitting out of a divot would be an improved lie most days! I could see a change needed if it happened all the time, but since it’s rare, it goes to the “rub of the green” idea for me. It’s almost like we’d also have to say, “If your ball hits a tree, and ends-up in the fairway, you have to place the ball amongst the trees.” There are good and bad breaks, but they are rare occasions. Kenny B, HardcoreLooper and downlowkey 3 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I was listening to PGA Tour radio today and they were suggesting that OB stakes only be used to delineate private property and that all other stakes be red. That would be an interesting change... though I don't know if that technically falls within a rule change or left to the owners/superintendent of the course? Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I was listening to PGA Tour radio today and they were suggesting that OB stakes only be used to delineate private property and that all other stakes be red. That would be an interesting change... though I don't know if that technically falls within a rule change or left to the owners/superintendent of the course?I have always said that OB should be used for property borders and everything else be a hazard, it could definitely speed up play and make the game a little easier.Although the course I play the most winds through a neighborhood so almost every hole has OB on at least 1 sideSent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy fixyurdivot 1 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 12:51 AM, fixyurdivot said: I was listening to PGA Tour radio today and they were suggesting that OB stakes only be used to delineate private property and that all other stakes be red. That would be an interesting change... though I don't know if that technically falls within a rule change or left to the owners/superintendent of the course? Technically, marking the course falls to "the Committee". Depending on the course, its likely done by the head pro and/or the superintendent and/or a committee of members. For more detail you can refer to Section 2A under Committee Procedures: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=cp§ion=rule&rulenum=2&subrulenum=1 The second part of that, "all other stakes be red" would imply that lateral relief is available, even for penalty areas that have traditionally been yellow. I don't know how much impact the first part is, although it would disallow internal OB, which got a little publicity at the Players. Usually internal OB is established for safety reasons, so I'd hate to remove that option. As for all stakes being red, I don't think that's a great idea, there are some penalty areas that you SHOULD be required to clear. I'm wondering, which radio personality at PGA Tour radio was suggesting the changes, and why? Some of those guys don't know the rules any better than the TV commentators, which is to say they don't know them very well at all. GaDawg and cnosil 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, DaveP043 said: Technically, marking the course falls to "the Committee". Depending on the course, its likely done by the head pro and/or the superintendent and/or a committee of members. For more detail you can refer to Section 2A under Committee Procedures: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=cp§ion=rule&rulenum=2&subrulenum=1 The second part of that, "all other stakes be red" would imply that lateral relief is available, even for penalty areas that have traditionally been yellow. I don't know how much impact the first part is, although it would disallow internal OB, which got a little publicity at the Players. Usually internal OB is established for safety reasons, so I'd hate to remove that option. As for all stakes being red, I don't think that's a great idea, there are some penalty areas that you SHOULD be required to clear. I'm wondering, which radio personality at PGA Tour radio was suggesting the changes, and why? Some of those guys don't know the rules any better than the TV commentators, which is to say they don't know them very well at all. I don't recall who it was but they were doing a recap of The Players. His key point was that OB should only be used to protect private property and keep players from hacking divots out of someone's backyard... but no one would do that...right? Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 hours ago, TBT said: I have always said that OB should be used for property borders and everything else be a hazard, it could definitely speed up play and make the game a little easier. Great point. They did not mention pace of play and most agree that needs to be improved on. A good many courses I play have private property along part of the periphery and those boundaries are typically white staked. Presuming this did become a rule change (or unofficial preferred marking standard), can any of you think of situations at your courses where this would improve pace of play? It might actually have the opposite effect - folks walking into hazard areas in search of that $4 Pro V1. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/16/2021 at 5:30 AM, PMookie said: Ha! When one plays a public goat ranch like I do, hitting out of a divot would be an improved lie most days! I could see a change needed if it happened all the time, but since it’s rare, it goes to the “rub of the green” idea for me. It’s almost like we’d also have to say, “If your ball hits a tree, and ends-up in the fairway, you have to place the ball amongst the trees.” There are good and bad breaks, but they are rare occasions. A ball hits a tree and ends up in the fairway?? That's as likely as an Irishman walking out of a bar; but I suppose it could happen. Shapotomous and PMookie 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: I don't recall who it was but they were doing a recap of The Players. His key point was that OB should only be used to protect private property and keep players from hacking divots out of someone's backyard... but no one would do that...right? The only things that would really keep players from doing that are a fence and a big mean dog. The Players Championship got some publicity when they created internal OB left of the lake on the 18th hole. Apparently with no grandstands, that side of the lake offered a much less dangerous tee shot than the actual 18th fairway does. It was a big deal, reported to be an effort at anti-Brysoning the course, even though there was internal OB at Bay Hill just a week before. The PGA Tour press release says it was specifically a safety issue, it would put players and spectators at the 9th hole in danger of being hit from the 18th tee. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 12:22 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: I have lots of courses here that have spots where grass is designated to be but there isn’t any and some courses the fairways may not even be grass. If anyone wants to have a clean lie they should play indoors Paige and @DiscipleofPenick are exactly right. The course isn't designed to play in divots in the fairway. Those are man made alterations that require repair. The argument that you can't tell what is and isn't a divot doesn't hold much weight. If there is missing grass and the ball sits below the intended fairway, and it is apparent it was caused by a prior golf stroke, it's a divot. I can tell you 100% of the time if something is a divot or not. Judgement is needed to call a ball embedded, so the same can be said for divots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 1:48 AM, TBT said: I have always said that OB should be used for property borders and everything else be a hazard, it could definitely speed up play and make the game a little easier. Although the course I play the most winds through a neighborhood so almost every hole has OB on at least 1 side Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy The double penalty for OB is one of the worst rules in golf. OB should be treated the same as a penalty area- drop based where it entered OB and play from there with one stroke added for the drop. It is illogical to treat hitting a ball past an OB stake differently than hitting a ball into the bottom of a pond next to the fairway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, LICC said: I can tell you 100% of the time if something is a divot or not. OK, write it down. Put it in writing how can we ALL agree that something is NOT a divot hole today when yesterday it justified free relief. 54 minutes ago, LICC said: It is illogical to treat hitting a ball past an OB stake differently than hitting a ball into the bottom of a pond next to the fairway. Not going down this particular rabbit-hole, you've said this enough in other threads. RickyBobby_PR, cnosil and THEZIPR23 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 oh geez... here we go again. Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad Buggy- Clicgear 4.0 Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 17 hours ago, DaveP043 said: OK, write it down. Put it in writing how can we ALL agree that something is NOT a divot hole today when yesterday it justified free relief. If the grass is back and it is back up to the level of the fairway, it is no longer a divot hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 If the grass is back and it is back up to the level of the fairway, it is no longer a divot hole.It is about grass height? Grass grows in holes and when cut can be fairway height but the ball can sit below the edge of the divot. For non Bermuda courses where the turf is replaced and grass still exists; if the ball sitsIn a depression between the edge of the replaced divot and the fairway am I in a divot? Should I be allowed to move my ball off the pelt of grass and turf; it isn’t attached to anything? Is a bare spot with no grass a divot that hasn’t recovered? Probably still need more detailIn your written rule. HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, cnosil said: It is about grass height? Grass grows in holes and when cut can be fairway height but the ball can sit below the edge of the divot. For non Bermuda courses where the turf is replaced and grass still exists; if the ball sits In a depression between the edge of the replaced divot and the fairway am I in a divot? Should I be allowed to move my ball off the pelt of grass and turf; it isn’t attached to anything? Is a bare spot with no grass a divot that hasn’t recovered? Probably still need more detail In your written rule. Show me a picture and I'll tell you if it is a divot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Show me a picture and I'll tell you if it is a divot.If you get to the point of needing pictures, the rule isn’t written clearly enough as there is too much interpretation. It isn’t that people disagree with your perception, the hard part is writing the rule with enough clarity. DaveP043, Blueberry_Squishie, RickyBobby_PR and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Show me a picture and I'll tell you if it is a divot.But here is a picture. Is the one on the left a divot? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kao364t9DVI/U_NkjGZyRaI/AAAAAAAAAhs/F1xua_S7Q8E/s1600/Divot%2B1.jpg Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, LICC said: Show me a picture and I'll tell you if it is a divot. These are Rules of Golf, written in words, not comic books. An effective rule needs to define the characteristics which justify relief,, and to define when those characteristics no longer justify relief, so we all interpret it the same. You might want to review the current definitions in the Rules of Golf, to see how clearly they are written. Yes, there are illustrations in the rules, but they serve to clarify, the actual words are what matters. As an example, many courses use a sand/seed mix to fill divots. Initially, a divot hole might be filled perfectly smooth with the surrounding turf. Based on your "definition" that would qualify for relief, there's no grass. Then little wispy tendrils of grass start growing. The ball still plays as if it was on sand, but there IS grass, and the grass IS at the level of the surrounding turf. Playability unchanged, but by your definition its no longer a divot hole as soon as the first bit of green shows. Is that what you're picturing? Or does the grass need to be back to the consistency of the surrounding turf? Or somewhere in between, we need to call you to make the decision? Or maybe you want your playing partner to decide for you. If its your friend, you get one answer, if the guy hates you, its a different answer. You need to define it so there's no individual judgement required. GolfSpy_BNG, yungkory, downlowkey and 4 others 6 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Learn to hit the ball out of a divot!!!! It's really not the end of the world. In most cases, it's no more difficult than being in the rough. HardcoreLooper and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 hours ago, cnosil said: If you get to the point of needing pictures, the rule isn’t written clearly enough as there is too much interpretation. It isn’t that people disagree with your perception, the hard part is writing the rule with enough clarity. The embedded ball rule used an illustration. I think it is clear as I stated it. If it has grass and is at fairway level, it is no longer a divot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 hours ago, cnosil said: But here is a picture. Is the one on the left a divot? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kao364t9DVI/U_NkjGZyRaI/AAAAAAAAAhs/F1xua_S7Q8E/s1600/Divot%2B1.jpg For the one on the left, if the ball is on the grass, no not a divot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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