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For the one on the left, if the ball is on the grass, no not a divot.

And we differ, I consider it still a divot I’m taking relief.
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These are Rules of Golf, written in words, not comic books.  An effective rule needs to define the characteristics which justify relief,, and to define when those characteristics no longer justify rel

When I was kid, several balls in my range bucket were devoted to practicing less than ideal lies - rough, divots, etc. - because they are inevitable. Playing from a divot is an opportunity to tes

Sure seems like this place is becoming awfully argumentative and combative.    It should be simple.  When playing for fun play however you want. When posting scores for tournaments or handica

6 minutes ago, cnosil said:


And we differ, I consider it still a divot I’m taking relief.

The rules official will tell you that you are wrong.

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44 minutes ago, LICC said:

The embedded ball rule used an illustration. I think it is clear as I stated it. If it has grass and is at fairway level, it is no longer a divot.

Did you read the actual words, or just look at the pictures?  The words define, the pictures clarify.

 

20 minutes ago, cnosil said:


And we differ, I consider it still a divot I’m taking relief.

 

13 minutes ago, LICC said:

The rules official will tell you that you are wrong.

Hahahaha, the one on the lift actually IS a divot, replaced in its hole.  Does the grass actually have to be attached to mean it gets no relief, or do replaced divots count?  Or maybe some grass clippings would count.  BTW, you never answered any of my previous questions, so add this one to the list.

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29 minutes ago, LICC said:

The rules official will tell you that you are wrong.

We are talking about changing the rules to get relief from a divot.  I consider the one the left to still be a divot since I can clearly see the outline where the grass was replaced. 

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1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

Did you read the actual words, or just look at the pictures?  The words define, the pictures clarify.

 

 

Hahahaha, the one on the lift actually IS a divot, replaced in its hole.  Does the grass actually have to be attached to mean it gets no relief, or do replaced divots count?  Or maybe some grass clippings would count.  BTW, you never answered any of my previous questions, so add this one to the list.

I'll let the record show that you don't know what is or isn't a divot. I answered your questions. Multiple times. You just want to ignore the answer.

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Sure seems like this place is becoming awfully argumentative and combative. 
 

It should be simple. 
When playing for fun play however you want. When posting scores for tournaments or handicap follow THIER rules because it is THIER tourney or handicap. And this goes for the double penalty thread as well. This ERA of “This doesn’t suit me or what I think so it needs to change” is getting out of hand. 

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3 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

Sure seems like this place is becoming awfully argumentative and combative. 
 

It should be simple. 
When playing for fun play however you want. When posting scores for tournaments or handicap follow THIER rules because it is THIER tourney or handicap. And this goes for the double penalty thread as well. This ERA of “This doesn’t suit me or what I think so it needs to change” is getting out of hand. 

But I don't want to have to hole every putt. Can we change that rule? 

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5 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

But I don't want to have to hole every putt. Can we change that rule? 

Nope. I’m not budging on this one! 😂

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2 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

But I don't want to have to hole every putt. Can we change that rule? 

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3 hours ago, Shankster said:

Grand Canyon sized unrepaired divots... 100%, sand filled or “healed” deal with it.

I was being a touch sarcastic gents.  In all reality, I only remember being in a divot 3 times in recent years.  They were all like 1” deep... tried to hit the first one, topped the heck our of it.  The other two... I moved them out of the divot 🤯, luckily I don’t keep an official handicap, nor play on tour.  So to improve my enjoyment... I made my own “local rule” to whatever cart number I wa driving that day.  

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How can I feel happy about undeserved good breaks when I won't accept undeserved bad breaks?  @PMookie had it right about hitting a tree and bouncing back into play.

How can I explain to our First Tee participants that hitting a good tee shot into a divot teaches you perseverance if the rules let you move it?

 

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If everyone did what they were supposed to do there wouldn't be an issue.

Fix your pitch mark on the green

Rake the bunker after you hit out, which includes your foot prints on the way out.

Fill you divots in the fairway.

Nothing is more irritating than people not leaving the course in good condition for the next player. I feel that the architect designed and built the course to be played the way he intended it. Im sure it wasnt intended to play across indentations in the green, foot prints in the bunker, or deep divots in the fairway. If everyone fixed these things as they play, we wouldn't feel the need to try to change the rules. 

 

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42 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

If everyone did what they were supposed to do there wouldn't be an issue.

Fix your pitch mark on the green

Rake the bunker after you hit out, which includes your foot prints on the way out.

Fill you divots in the fairway.

Nothing is more irritating than people not leaving the course in good condition for the next player. I feel that the architect designed and built the course to be played the way he intended it. Im sure it wasnt intended to play across indentations in the green, foot prints in the bunker, or deep divots in the fairway. If everyone fixed these things as they play, we wouldn't feel the need to try to change the rules. 

 

That's all well and good, and probably has a better chance of happening at a private club where the pro can talk to the members; possibly withholding some playing rights if they don't comply.  Playing at a muni, where people don't respect the carts, let alone the course, it will never happen.  Some of the worst offenders are the Men's club; they are lazy.  Following them first thing in the morning, I could hold up people behind me fixing all the ball marks.  They just don't care; only fix a ball mark if it interferes with their putt.  AND for a year, we have no rakes for the bunkers, and no sand bottles for divots.  I don't see that changing this year.  If people don't see equipment to take care of the course now, they are less likely to repair it in the future.  JMO.

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On 3/27/2021 at 12:58 AM, Shankster said:

I was being a touch sarcastic gents.  In all reality, I only remember being in a divot 3 times in recent years.  They were all like 1” deep... tried to hit the first one, topped the heck our of it.  The other two... I moved them out of the divot 🤯, luckily I don’t keep an official handicap, nor play on tour.  So to improve my enjoyment... I made my own “local rule” to whatever cart number I wa driving that day.  

Same for me, dude. If memory serves me correctly, I haven't been in a divot more than 3 times in my 10 years of golf. That's probably cause I don't hit the fairways too often, so it's luxury problem you guys are having.

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