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I plan to reshaft my irons with graphite, I’ve never had anything but steel but my joints just can’t take it anymore. I have TT XP95 S300 shafts now (fitted in 2018), so I assume a graphite shaft of about the same weight would be a good starting point if not a good substitute, though regular flex as I’m not getting younger or faster. After a bad $450+ experience with a driver fitting and a totally ridiculous quote for new JPX921F’s with MMT shafts from CC - I’m not going there again anytime soon. I’m leaning toward just going to GG and seeing what the latest Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D recommends, guessing it will be the UST and Aerotech shafts below, but that won’t permit me to try MMT’s. The ones I’m looking at are all similar weights, regular flex and mid launch.
I’m doing this to:

  1. reduce impact in my joints first and foremost,
  2. I certainly don’t want dispersion to increase (at least as good), 
  3. but I don’t care at all about extra distance.
  • UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$45ea

  • Mitsubishi MMT Iron 80 Regular (84g) @$60ea
  • Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$51ea

Any insights into the differences between the three? Again, I realize many will suggest a full blown fitter, but that’s an expensive crapshoot IME unless your swing is reasonably repeatable AND you’ve already narrowed the contenders substantially.

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I haven’t hit the mmt so can’t compare them to the other two options.

The steelfibers to me feel harsh compared to the recoils. They also tend to play stiff to flex. I know Snedeker plays them in i95 S. I don’t recall if Kuchar or someone else also went with the S flex.

Ive tried the steelfiber in the original apex irons and again in the cf16 and hated them.

The recoils have lots of options with weight and design. The smacwrap versions have even more stability and vibration dampening than the recoils without 

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The Accra ICWT series is worth adding to the list at least for doing due diligence

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In order of stoutness they will fall pretty much in this order

SteelFiber

Then a whole lot of space

Recoil

Then just a little bit of space

MMT

Regardless of weight, the SteelFiber is going to be the toughest to swing and load,  Recoils as RickyBobby said, have a lot of good options in both weight and profile, such as 680's are much less stout than Recoil 95's.   

MMT's are going to be the less harsh and easiest to launch of the 3s.  For example a MMT90 will be much easier to swing than a SteelFiber 95 even though the MMT is actually 3 grams heavier (98 vs 95 in Stiff) in weight.

 

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Steelfiber i95 Stiff has a profile almost identical to DGS; I've always assumed that is the source of its reputation for playing stiff.  I have i125 in a GW and notice a stiffer bottom section, but don't think it plays stiff to flex.  Then again, I'm a DGS player.  <shrug>

Recoil seems to have a softer lower section, and produces a higher flight.  I'm guessing on the characteristics of your current XP95 shaft, but I would think the Recoil a better fit.  Emphasis on "guessing."  😉

No experience/knowledge with the MMT 80.

Have you explored the possibility of the Steelfiber FC 90 instead of the i95?  It's said to have a softer tip and a higher flight than the i-series Steelfibers.

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2h or 3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S
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6 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Steelfiber i95 Stiff has a profile almost identical to DGS; I've always assumed that is the source of its reputation for playing stiff.  I have i125 in a GW and notice a stiffer bottom section, but don't think it plays stiff to flex.  Then again, I'm a DGS player.  <shrug>

 

 

I used to be a s300 player forever. To me the steelfibers felt worse. 

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5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I used to be a s300 player forever. To me the steelfibers felt worse. 

Which did you have?  The 110 is especially notorious in golf nerddom, as I'm sure you know.  🙂

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19 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

Which did you have?  The 110 is especially notorious in golf nerddom, as I'm sure you know.  🙂

Only tested the i95s based on the fitters recommendation. 

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3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Only tested the i95s based on the fitters recommendation. 

Interesting.  And a little unsettling.

🤔

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41 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

Steelfiber i95 Stiff has a profile almost identical to DGS; I've always assumed that is the source of its reputation for playing stiff.  I have i125 in a GW and notice a stiffer bottom section, but don't think it plays stiff to flex.  Then again, I'm a DGS player.  <shrug>

Recoil seems to have a softer lower section, and produces a higher flight.  I'm guessing on the characteristics of your current XP95 shaft, but I would think the Recoil a better fit.  Emphasis on "guessing."  😉

No experience/knowledge with the MMT 80.

Have you explored the possibility of the Steelfiber FC 90 instead of the i95?  It's said to have a softer tip and a higher flight than the i-series Steelfibers.

The shafts I noted are simply based on what Mizuno offers from the factory (and their fitting cart), and because I intend to use the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D instead of an all out fitting to decide. Sounds like the Recoil is more likely for me, or I can take a flying leap on the MMT.

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1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

Interesting.  And a little unsettling.

🤔

Some people find them to not be harsh and prefer three over recoils. 

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Just did a session with the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D and then hit my XP95 S300 7i vs a JPX921F 7i with Recoil 95 F3 (regular flex). My dispersion seemed about the same and if anything I gained a couple yards and a couple hundred RPMs spin. And they felt a touch softer, I am hoping that over the course of a round a touch softer translates to a noticeable reduction in wrist and (left) elbow pain. Tried the Steelfiber i95, they felt harsher and I got a couple yards less. Ordered a set of Recoil 95 shafts for my 4-GW, I'm going to leave my S18 SW and LW in steel as it's very rare I take a full swing with either. I would have ordered MMT's but my irons are 0.355" tips and they can only get MMT's in 0.370" tips thru GolfWorks. Read that MMT's can be special ordered in 0.355" tips but the shop said they couldn't and I decided I wasn't going to argue with them. I'll have new shafts at about 1/3rd to cost of all new irons ($488 vs $1399+tax). Wish me luck, and thanks for all the input!

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33 minutes ago, Middler said:

Just did a session with the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D and then hit my XP95 S300 7i vs a JPX921F 7i with Recoil 95 F3 (regular flex). My dispersion seemed about the same and if anything I gained a couple yards and a couple hundred RPMs spin. And they felt a touch softer, I am hoping that over the course of a round a touch softer translates to a noticeable reduction in wrist and (left) elbow pain. Tried the Steelfiber i95, they felt harsher and I got a couple yards less. Ordered a set of Recoil 95 shafts for my 4-GW, I'm going to leave my S18 SW and LW in steel as it's very rare I take a full swing with either. I would have ordered MMT's but my irons are 0.355" tips and they can only get MMT's in 0.370" tips thru GolfWorks. Read that MMT's can be special ordered in 0.355" tips but the shop said they couldn't and I decided I wasn't going to argue with them. I'll have new shafts at about 1/3rd to cost of all new irons ($488 vs $1399+tax). Wish me luck, and thanks for all the input!

That’s awesome. I can tell you that your body will enjoy the effects of the shafts throughout the round. When I did my fitting with UST I could have gone with the recoil 125s but we decided that going 110 would be beneficial for helping with late round fatigue. The combination of the graphite and the lower weight from the s300 amt would help overall and save the joints at the same time

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I played the Steelfibers in Regular flex for a couple of years...loved them! Really tight dispersion....the R flex plays really close to stiff.

I play Recoils now, but I miss the Steelfibers


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I was in a similar situation. Had shoulder surgery, turned 47 and my joints couldn't take it anymore. I had played TTS300 or Rifle shafts in my irons since I was 25. I went for a fitting to get new irons and was recommended the Recoils. Great shaft and I loved it. PGA SS recommended a set if Mizuno's that would have cost me $1,200+ and I just didn't want to spend that much.  I bought a set from Sub70 and based on my specs and what PGA SS recommended, they put me in a set with the Aldila NV iron shaft. These shafts are great. Very similar feel to the Recoils. I would add those to your list.

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I don't have much to offer on all three, but I just have to chime in re: MMT. I recently picked up a Ping i500 3i with the MMT 125tx...disclaimer that it has only been 2 range sessions and one round but I am in one of the best honeymoon periods I've ever had with a club.

For reference my driver ss is ~108, not exactly screaming for rebar-type shafts, but with a fast tempo and quick transition; my stock shot is a draw and my misses are a pull hook and an overcooked draw.

The MMT feels more stout than my $ Taper 130 X iron shafts when you waggle it, kind of more like C-tapers, but when you swing it feels much more $ taper than C-taper, which for me is a massive plus. Despite the pleasant feel it performs like a very stout shaft. I was stepping on it and hitting nice tight fades at the range and in the round, and couldn't really turn it over. Seeing this ball flight without making a dedicated effort to change anything in my swing was a total revelation. I think I have my fairway finder off the tee for the foreseeable future, and while I won't be purchasing new irons until the end of this season I am 90% positive that they will be shafted with the MMT 125tx soft stepped once. YMMV

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As noted above, since my OP I had my irons reshafted with Recoil 95 F3’s, just got them back yesterday so I haven’t even hit them yet. Also as mentioned above, I would have gone with MMT’s but the 0.370” tip wouldn’t fit my 0.355” hosel JPX900F’s. Wish me luck.

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4 hours ago, Middler said:

As noted above, since my OP I had my irons reshafted with Recoil 95 F3’s, just got them back yesterday so I haven’t even hit them yet. Also as mentioned above, I would have gone with MMT’s but the 0.370” tip wouldn’t fit my 0.355” hosel JPX900F’s. Wish me luck.

Good luck with the Recoils, hope you hit them well.

Just an FYI for others in general, you can easily put 0.370" shafts in a 0.355" hose. On a 0.355" taper tip shaft, it really is only about the final 1/2" that is tapered to 0.355", and then it tapers up to a 0.370". People are always arguing which is better, but you can either taper the last 1/2" of the 0.370" graphite shaft or you can hand ream the hosel to 0.370". I'm not going to argue which one is better, but both are common and doable DIY.

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2 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Good luck with the Recoils, hope you hit them well.

Just an FYI for others in general, you can easily put 0.370" shafts in a 0.355" hose. On a 0.355" taper tip shaft, it really is only about the final 1/2" that is tapered to 0.355", and then it tapers up to a 0.370". People are always arguing which is better, but you can either taper the last 1/2" of the 0.370" graphite shaft or you can hand ream the hosel to 0.370". I'm not going to argue which one is better, but both are common and doable DIY.

Some pros and cons re: 0.370” graphite shafts in 0.355” iron hostels. 

 

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On 3/15/2021 at 2:37 PM, Middler said:

The ones I’m looking at are all similar weights, regular flex and mid launch.
I’m doing this to:

  1. reduce impact in my joints first and foremost,
  2. I certainly don’t want dispersion to increase (at least as good), 
  3. but I don’t care at all about extra distance.
  • UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$45ea

  • Mitsubishi MMT Iron 80 Regular (84g) @$60ea
  • Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$51ea

One thing and this is just a suggestion the shaft is a timing device and kind of needs to match the head you want the best... if your set on the Mizuno the shaft optimizer is a good place to start however it’s limited to things Mizuno carries... if you’re looking for dispersion to actually get better there is Accra then everyone else in my opinion... as @dlow206 mentioned the work is not that difficult to perform yourself and the iCWT 2.0 is discrete meaning that each shaft gets a 1/2” shorter to make it easier to fit and build... happy to chat more as well!

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  • 1 year later...

I tried the steel fiber they too harsh no matter the weight.  The recoils have a better feel played with the recoil 95 regular for a few years.

I just got fitted in the PXG irons with the MMT shafts 80 gram stiff and they feel great.

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again..late to the topic...but I have experience with all three...not in the same club but the same flex.

As mentioned before...I tried steel fiber but they were too stiff in the irons..but played very well in my wedges in "R" flex.

Had recoils in my CF16's and they were OK..had a decent flex and did absorb vibrations but I felt like I was not getting everything out of the irons with them

Got PXG's with the MMT shaft and really they made the irons feel and perform as well as they did. From what I understand they have a metal mesh tip that gives the club more stability. don't know if it's true, but I really like them in the irons that I have.

More on the wedges...I like the feel of graphite over steel for the added touch, but some graphite was too stiff or too flexible. Tried the steel fiber shafts and found the perfect balance between stiffness, flexibility and feel. have them is 3 wedges, 58*, 56*, 54*.

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On 3/18/2021 at 10:40 PM, TBT said:

I played the Steelfibers in Regular flex for a couple of years...loved them! Really tight dispersion....the R flex plays really close to stiff.

I play Recoils now, but I miss the Steelfibers

 

... I have Recoil 95's in S-flex and Recoil Prototype 95's in R-flex. While there is no such thing as "true to flex" having played stiff flex shafts in my irons for years the Recoil 95's feel similar to other S-flex iron shafts I have played. The Recoil Prototypes are between S and R but closer to R. I have never played shafts that were so different from S to R flex as the Steelfiber 95s. I hated the i95 S-flex that felt boardy and harsh compared to Recoils, although I had not played the Prototypes at that time. After my 2nd round with them it was clear they were not good for my swing. Yet the fact that so many LPGA players used the Steelfibers with similar swing speeds or even slower, always peaked my interest.

... I talked to an Aerotech Engineer at the PGA Show and he told me someone with a smooth swing may feel a full flex difference in Steelfibers, while those with an aggressive swing may find about a 1/2 flex difference. So I took a chance and bought some i95's in R-flex and it was the best move I have made with iron shafts. They are very tight and accurate with a good feel. I would not call them smooth feeling like Recoils but for me a pleasant feel that just seems to match my unloading of the shaft. I was always looking at shafts for my irons but Steelfibers have ended that search and I can't see me playing anything else. For my swing, they are the most accurate iron shafts I have ever played.  

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Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

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33 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

Apples-to-oranges comparison, but the SteelFiber i125s feel less boardy/more lively for me than the MMT 105TXs did.

I think you'll like the SteelFibers a lot.

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1 hour ago, yungkory said:

Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

They play stiffer right flex and those with more aggressive transitions are the ones who have more of the boardy feel.

As a note the PGA tour pros like Brandt Snedeker play the i95s and moved away from the heavier ones for better feel and control

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On 3/15/2021 at 1:37 PM, Middler said:

I plan to reshaft my irons with graphite, I’ve never had anything but steel but my joints just can’t take it anymore. I have TT XP95 S300 shafts now (fitted in 2018), so I assume a graphite shaft of about the same weight would be a good starting point if not a good substitute, though regular flex as I’m not getting younger or faster. After a bad $450+ experience with a driver fitting and a totally ridiculous quote for new JPX921F’s with MMT shafts from CC - I’m not going there again anytime soon. I’m leaning toward just going to GG and seeing what the latest Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D recommends, guessing it will be the UST and Aerotech shafts below, but that won’t permit me to try MMT’s. The ones I’m looking at are all similar weights, regular flex and mid launch.
I’m doing this to:

  1. reduce impact in my joints first and foremost,
  2. I certainly don’t want dispersion to increase (at least as good), 
  3. but I don’t care at all about extra distance.
  • UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$45ea

  • Mitsubishi MMT Iron 80 Regular (84g) @$60ea
  • Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$51ea

Any insights into the differences between the three? Again, I realize many will suggest a full blown fitter, but that’s an expensive crapshoot IME unless your swing is reasonably repeatable AND you’ve already narrowed the contenders substantially.

I would recommend you forget about getting new graphite shafts in your irons and just have vibration dampening insrts installed in the steel shafts you were fitted for. Much cheaper and they work better than graphite at reducing the vibrations you don't like and your joints can't stand. I've been installing them in shafts for my customers for years and have not had one complaint yet. 

All my clubs are custom built with aftermarket shafts that have been spine and FLO aligned for max performance every swing. 

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I've had graphite for over 20 years, my last four sets Recoil. I had to go to graphite due to a lower arm and elbow issue. My current Ping i500's have the Recoil SmacWrap and they are incredible. Over 80% of my fittings for graphite were Recoil SmacWrap. I haven't found another graphite shaft to match it.

Regarding weight, that can be causing issues with your body, and I suggest going from your current 98gm steel to a 75gm graphite. Big difference. I also suggest a soft grip, Winn, Lamkin Sonar+, which will also take the vibrations out. Adding inserts to dampen the vibration doesn't solve all your issues, especially weight. 

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3 hours ago, IONEPUTT said:

just have vibration dampening insrts installed in the steel shafts you were fitted for. Much cheaper and they work better than graphite at reducing the vibrations you don't like and your joints can't stand.

 

... Oh Boy, they most assuredly do not. Lots of research regarding this false claim. When I had my first serious bout of tendonitis I tried all the inserts including Sensicore and while the feel was more dampened the shock to my elbow was not. First time I switched to graphite in my irons (frowned upon at that time) it made all the difference for my tendonitis and have not had an issue until playing my MIM's with Nippon 950GH shafts and the tendonitis came back. Installed Steelfiber 95's and it disappeared again.  

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Hi, I was forced to go to graphite because of an illness. My preferred shaft used to be True Temper S300. 
Like you I thought that I would need a heavy shaft but after going through 4 performance centres they all recommend 65g shafts. Interestingly there was a slight club head speed increase with the 65g shaft. As far as overall club weight, yes you will notice it initially however after a few rounds you won’t. Due to my illness I am really susceptible to vibration and we found that the heavier shafts also did vibrate more.

The shafts I went for were the Recoil and I am very happy with them. Only issue I have found is that you do loose some feel which has to be expected.

I should point out that I replaced my irons (WIlson V6) with Callaway Steelhead Pro that have up Urethane insets to reduce vibration which could also effect feel. I have never it them with steel shafts.

I therefore still use steel shafts in my 50 and 56* wedges.

So I would recommend that before you decide on a replacement, if possible you should go the performance centre - fitting centre and try them.

BTW, as far as consistency, no different to steel, distance hard to judge as I changed irons, however based on the loft they are slightly shorter in my case.

Here Is a like to a Rick Sheils video where he plays with graphite shafts, it is well worth watching as the only downside he finds is $$$$.

 https://fb.watch/eZ4ZIR_MGh/?fs=e&s=cl

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