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I tried the steel fiber they too harsh no matter the weight.  The recoils have a better feel played with the recoil 95 regular for a few years.

I just got fitted in the PXG irons with the MMT shafts 80 gram stiff and they feel great.

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again..late to the topic...but I have experience with all three...not in the same club but the same flex.

As mentioned before...I tried steel fiber but they were too stiff in the irons..but played very well in my wedges in "R" flex.

Had recoils in my CF16's and they were OK..had a decent flex and did absorb vibrations but I felt like I was not getting everything out of the irons with them

Got PXG's with the MMT shaft and really they made the irons feel and perform as well as they did. From what I understand they have a metal mesh tip that gives the club more stability. don't know if it's true, but I really like them in the irons that I have.

More on the wedges...I like the feel of graphite over steel for the added touch, but some graphite was too stiff or too flexible. Tried the steel fiber shafts and found the perfect balance between stiffness, flexibility and feel. have them is 3 wedges, 58*, 56*, 54*.

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On 3/18/2021 at 10:40 PM, TBT said:

I played the Steelfibers in Regular flex for a couple of years...loved them! Really tight dispersion....the R flex plays really close to stiff.

I play Recoils now, but I miss the Steelfibers

 

... I have Recoil 95's in S-flex and Recoil Prototype 95's in R-flex. While there is no such thing as "true to flex" having played stiff flex shafts in my irons for years the Recoil 95's feel similar to other S-flex iron shafts I have played. The Recoil Prototypes are between S and R but closer to R. I have never played shafts that were so different from S to R flex as the Steelfiber 95s. I hated the i95 S-flex that felt boardy and harsh compared to Recoils, although I had not played the Prototypes at that time. After my 2nd round with them it was clear they were not good for my swing. Yet the fact that so many LPGA players used the Steelfibers with similar swing speeds or even slower, always peaked my interest.

... I talked to an Aerotech Engineer at the PGA Show and he told me someone with a smooth swing may feel a full flex difference in Steelfibers, while those with an aggressive swing may find about a 1/2 flex difference. So I took a chance and bought some i95's in R-flex and it was the best move I have made with iron shafts. They are very tight and accurate with a good feel. I would not call them smooth feeling like Recoils but for me a pleasant feel that just seems to match my unloading of the shaft. I was always looking at shafts for my irons but Steelfibers have ended that search and I can't see me playing anything else. For my swing, they are the most accurate iron shafts I have ever played.  

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Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

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33 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

Apples-to-oranges comparison, but the SteelFiber i125s feel less boardy/more lively for me than the MMT 105TXs did.

I think you'll like the SteelFibers a lot.

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1 hour ago, yungkory said:

Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

They play stiffer right flex and those with more aggressive transitions are the ones who have more of the boardy feel.

As a note the PGA tour pros like Brandt Snedeker play the i95s and moved away from the heavier ones for better feel and control

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On 3/15/2021 at 1:37 PM, Middler said:

I plan to reshaft my irons with graphite, I’ve never had anything but steel but my joints just can’t take it anymore. I have TT XP95 S300 shafts now (fitted in 2018), so I assume a graphite shaft of about the same weight would be a good starting point if not a good substitute, though regular flex as I’m not getting younger or faster. After a bad $450+ experience with a driver fitting and a totally ridiculous quote for new JPX921F’s with MMT shafts from CC - I’m not going there again anytime soon. I’m leaning toward just going to GG and seeing what the latest Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D recommends, guessing it will be the UST and Aerotech shafts below, but that won’t permit me to try MMT’s. The ones I’m looking at are all similar weights, regular flex and mid launch.
I’m doing this to:

  1. reduce impact in my joints first and foremost,
  2. I certainly don’t want dispersion to increase (at least as good), 
  3. but I don’t care at all about extra distance.
  • UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$45ea

  • Mitsubishi MMT Iron 80 Regular (84g) @$60ea
  • Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Graphite Regular (95g) @$51ea

Any insights into the differences between the three? Again, I realize many will suggest a full blown fitter, but that’s an expensive crapshoot IME unless your swing is reasonably repeatable AND you’ve already narrowed the contenders substantially.

I would recommend you forget about getting new graphite shafts in your irons and just have vibration dampening insrts installed in the steel shafts you were fitted for. Much cheaper and they work better than graphite at reducing the vibrations you don't like and your joints can't stand. I've been installing them in shafts for my customers for years and have not had one complaint yet. 

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I've had graphite for over 20 years, my last four sets Recoil. I had to go to graphite due to a lower arm and elbow issue. My current Ping i500's have the Recoil SmacWrap and they are incredible. Over 80% of my fittings for graphite were Recoil SmacWrap. I haven't found another graphite shaft to match it.

Regarding weight, that can be causing issues with your body, and I suggest going from your current 98gm steel to a 75gm graphite. Big difference. I also suggest a soft grip, Winn, Lamkin Sonar+, which will also take the vibrations out. Adding inserts to dampen the vibration doesn't solve all your issues, especially weight. 

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3 hours ago, IONEPUTT said:

just have vibration dampening insrts installed in the steel shafts you were fitted for. Much cheaper and they work better than graphite at reducing the vibrations you don't like and your joints can't stand.

 

... Oh Boy, they most assuredly do not. Lots of research regarding this false claim. When I had my first serious bout of tendonitis I tried all the inserts including Sensicore and while the feel was more dampened the shock to my elbow was not. First time I switched to graphite in my irons (frowned upon at that time) it made all the difference for my tendonitis and have not had an issue until playing my MIM's with Nippon 950GH shafts and the tendonitis came back. Installed Steelfiber 95's and it disappeared again.  

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Hi, I was forced to go to graphite because of an illness. My preferred shaft used to be True Temper S300. 
Like you I thought that I would need a heavy shaft but after going through 4 performance centres they all recommend 65g shafts. Interestingly there was a slight club head speed increase with the 65g shaft. As far as overall club weight, yes you will notice it initially however after a few rounds you won’t. Due to my illness I am really susceptible to vibration and we found that the heavier shafts also did vibrate more.

The shafts I went for were the Recoil and I am very happy with them. Only issue I have found is that you do loose some feel which has to be expected.

I should point out that I replaced my irons (WIlson V6) with Callaway Steelhead Pro that have up Urethane insets to reduce vibration which could also effect feel. I have never it them with steel shafts.

I therefore still use steel shafts in my 50 and 56* wedges.

So I would recommend that before you decide on a replacement, if possible you should go the performance centre - fitting centre and try them.

BTW, as far as consistency, no different to steel, distance hard to judge as I changed irons, however based on the loft they are slightly shorter in my case.

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When I’m 40 in two years I’ll be going for my next full bag fitting and I don’t intend to have any steel shafts in my fitting selection. 

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4 hours ago, yungkory said:

Interesting that people feel the steelfibers are boardy. I'm usually really sensitive to stout shafts because I'm weaksauce, but I didn't find the i95 S to feel harsh. They felt very similar to the Modus 105S that I've been gaming for the last 7 years or so. I didn't expect the steelfibers to fit me best after what everyone said about them.

Can't wait till the new sticks get here!!

Those were the i95 S parallel tip right (the Private Reserve)? Usually the boardy comment is in regard to the i95 CW. 

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I have been playing recoil shafts for a few years now, and while I can't do a personal comparison to this others I can say that switching from the s300 shafts that came in my Mizuno irons to the recoil shafts was a great change for me. I love the feel and launch. I wasn't looking for more distance, and sure to some recent physical limitations I won't be chasing distance any time soon, do it all comes down to the feel, launch, and as you seem to be looking for, the effect on joints and tendons. I love me recoils. 

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I recently switched from Recoil 90's to Aerotech Steel Fiber FC 80's when I purchased new irons and am very pleased with them.  I'm an 18 handicap using game improvement irons.  Can't say how much of it is do to the shafts as opposed to the irons themselves (both sets are Callaway oversized).  The differences are not enormous, but positive.  And as a 72-year-old high handicapper, I certainly don't find the Aerotech's too "stout" or at all difficult to swing.

I also switched to graphite shafts around age 60, when I started having wrist and elbow issues.  I think they've helped a lot.   Good luck.

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1 hour ago, chisag said:

 

... Oh Boy, they most assuredly do not. Lots of research regarding this false claim. When I had my first serious bout of tendonitis I tried all the inserts including Sensicore and while the feel was more dampened the shock to my elbow was not. First time I switched to graphite in my irons (frowned upon at that time) but it made all the difference for my tendonitis and have not had an issue until playing my MIM's with Nippon 950GH shafts and the tendonitis came back. Installed Steelfiber 95's and it disappeared again.  

I have been hitting the Steelfiber shafts for about 6 weeks now. Not having any issues with wrist or elbow pain anymore and they are just as long and accurate as steel. Speaking for me - I Love Them!

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I’ve tried all 3 shafts in various weights:

Steelfiber 95S.  Hated it!

MMT 105TX. Liked, but not great!

Recoil 110 F4 Prototype was hands down best of the bunch for me!   Dispersion was very good.  Best launch numbers, an smooth feel 

I was fitted at a local country club an Recoil wasn’t in the top 10 shafts recommended for my swing!   
 

I went thru 3 sets of irons w the top 3 shafts, recommended at my fitting.  None of them just felt right!     An then reshafted an old set of irons w the Recoils!   Winner! Winner!   Cost me a few Grand to figure it out.   

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I had my set of Mizuno Jpx921 hot metals built last year with the Aerotech steelfiber i80 shafts r flex. And they are the most accurate irons I’ve ever had. Both in distance consistency and dispersion. I tried a few other shafts one of which was the Mitsubishi but I kept going back to the Aerotech. They were the closest feel to steel that I tried while still giving me some vibration dampening for my elbows and hands. I have to also say that after hitting roughly 100+ balls at the range and another 150+ short game shots on average two to three days a week I still feel the effects on my elbows just not quite as bad as when I had my steel shafted clubs. I did pay extra to have them pured, not sure if it made a difference or not, but I figured I was already spending the money to custom fit my clubs so why not spend a little more for that.
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11 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Those were the i95 S parallel tip right (the Private Reserve)? Usually the boardy comment is in regard to the i95 CW. 

I guess so? I don't know the difference honestly I'm a graphite noob! I swear they accentuate the Mizuno butter tho, probably the reduction in vibration. It's kinda addicting.

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Similar story to many listed above - I went to graphite shafts in irons not expecting to necessarily improve my game, but due to wrist issues. I've been using graphite for over 2 years now (and through 2 sets of irons), and my wrist issues have disappeared!

During my last fitting I tested the 3 shafts listed and a KBS graphite shaft in TM irons. The Recoil 660 was my shaft in my last set of irons, and I loved them, so wanted to try them in the new irons during the fitting.

I did not like the Steelfiber or the KBS at all - for me, I couldn't get a decent launch angle, and both dispersion and distance were poor. There was no feel for me - it always felt like a mishit, even when it was dead center.

The Recoil felt good, ball flight was similar to my old irons with a little added length.

The fitter then put in this wondrous shaft called the MMT that I had not even heard of until then. The feel was incredible - I could tell exactly where I hit on the face and the club just felt smooth throughout the swing with a butter strike. More importantly, my dispersion tightened up considerably and I gained 7-10 yards per club. My ball flight gained a little height as well, so I find that not only do I hit it longer, but I have more stopping power on the greens.

I think the Recoil is the best looking of the four, but for me the MMT was by far the best performing. 

I also ordered my wedges with the same shaft, and I love them!

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Middler, I’m a PGA professional that has been playing graphite shafts throughout my bag for 30+ years. The graphite on the market now is fantastic, in fact there are many players on tour using graphite because the torsional resistance can be made greater than steel if desired. There’s an optimum blend of flex and torsional resistance. I can tell you from experience I prefer Recoil over Steel Fiber as it has much more feel and better playing characteristics. I know Steel Fiber is popular on Tour, but in my experience the shaft just feels hard and unresponsive. Just my two cents worth.

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