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From what I have read the 425 Max just doesn't perform any better than the 410 Max so there may be a lot of Ping players that figure there is really no reason to buy the newest model (Myself included). On the accuracy front, personally, I'd always prefer to be in the fairway and short as opposed to in the rough or OB long...

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21 minutes ago, jp0319 said:

From what I have read the 425 Max just doesn't perform any better than the 410 Max so there may be a lot of Ping players that figure there is really no reason to buy the newest model (Myself included). On the accuracy front, personally, I'd always prefer to be in the fairway and short as opposed to in the rough or OB long...

A good many argue the G410 offered no improvement over the G400. PING is well known for being rather self limiting in the hype game. Their advertising shows small improvements in hitting data performance and I tend to believe it accurate.  If only we could conduct controlled tests (and blind were that possible), with a couple hundred players across the range of skillset...

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11 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

A good many argue the G410 offered no improvement over the G400. PING is well known for being rather self limiting in the hype game. Their advertising shows small improvements in hitting data performance and I tend to believe it accurate.  If only we could conduct controlled tests (and blind were that possible), with a couple hundred players across the range of skillset...

I agree, but usually Ping waits longer to come out with new versions for this reason. It surprised me when they came out with the 425 on the heels of the 410 because of the incremental improvement nature of their releases...

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Just now, jp0319 said:

I agree, but usually Ping waits longer to come out with new versions for this reason. It surprised me when they came out with the 425 on the heels of the 410 because of the incremental improvement nature of their releases...

Ping has an 18-24 month cycle that has been standard for a long time so the g;25 wasn’t on the heels of the 410 but in the normal product cycle release.

They also redesigned the moveable weight in the g425 based on fitting information around the g410. 
 

In most driver releases from the various brands year to year releases don’t always yield what most consider significant improvements. 

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I just switched from a GBB EPIC to a PING G425 Max and noticed a massive difference. I hit way more fairways and the difference between a good strike and a bad strike with the PING is minimal. The GBB EPIC though, majority of my bad strikes were OB. I am a high a high handicap player too, and hitting fairways are more important to me. Make sure you get a good hybrid you can flush, and that can make up any distance you may get with another driver on those longer holes. 

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Ping has to figure out how to fix the sound. How could they go so far backwards in sound from the g400 series?? I just can't listen to the G425 Max and there are a lot of driver companies making incredible drivers that have figured it out. 

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13 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

Ping has to figure out how to fix the sound. How could they go so far backwards in sound from the g400 series?? I just can't listen to the G425 Max and there are a lot of driver companies making incredible drivers that have figured it out. 

This - main reason for me returning mine. Also, it feels somewhat head-heavier compared to the 400 Max,  I had previously

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I just switched from a GBB EPIC to a PING G425 Max and noticed a massive difference. I hit way more fairways and the difference between a good strike and a bad strike with the PING is minimal. The GBB EPIC though, majority of my bad strikes were OB. I am a high a high handicap player too, and hitting fairways are more important to me. Make sure you get a good hybrid you can flush, and that can make up any distance you may get with another driver on those longer holes. 

Same for me with the epic; the bad shots were just incredibly bad. I switched to the 410+ , then the LST this year.


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We had a Ping fitting event at the course last Saturday. I compared my G400 Max vs the G425 Max. Both were very straight, and the 425 was slightly longer, and I mean 3-5 yards longer. Not enough of a difference to spend $500. 

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It's different strokes for different folks always -  I couldn't care less about the sound of anything - I played my best golf ever with a totally unexpected driver that I ended up being fit for - it was uglier than death and sounded worse - some iteration of Mizuno driver about 10 years ago.  Looked like a pancake, sounded worse and hit the ball 245 down the middle of the fairway with a slight draw every single time.  Never had to practice with it, just pulled it out of the bag on the 2nd tee (1 was always a hybrid for me then - pre every stroke counts) and off I went with it - played to a 1 or less for two seasons - then I gained weight, got sick and lost over 10 MPH in swing speed that I've been chasing ever since

 

TruFit identified the 425 Max as the best driver for me this season - we shall see - I do think it's significant that the data from my current gamer - the 410 LST would have been in that mix.  I would consider $500 for 5 functional yards because it would actually be less than that with my trade in - I'd keep the LST and trade the 410 Max that I have.  Since the G30 Ping drivers have consistently been the best choice for my swing - that doesn't mean they are for everyone but whatever they do in design seems to work for the way I deliver the club to the ball.  If it works I get used to the sound/feel.

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On 4/6/2021 at 6:39 AM, dolleris said:

This - main reason for me returning mine. Also, it feels somewhat head-heavier compared to the 400 Max,  I had previously

Funny, yesterday on the course I noticed how much I like the sound of mine.  Lower pitched than a lot of other drivers I have had.  Caveat:  my upper frequency hearing is for crap.  Maybe I just can't hear the pitches that others find irritating with this driver.

I find the G425 Max fits my swing a little better than the G400 Max I had been playing.  But, the shaft is different and the 425 has more useful adjustments (moveable weight, more loft/lie options).

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I would give up 20 yards off every tee if I knew I would be in the short grass. Think of it this way would you give back 10 or 20 yards if you could place the ball in the fairway to make your second shot? I would............ I am just back to playing after my 4th back fusion.  I Just want to be playing; and not having to hit backwards back into the fairway from behind a tree or off some pine straw or all the other places that are not in the short grass........ Life  is good!!

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I would give up 20 yards off every tee if I knew I would be in the short grass. Think of it this way would you give back 10 or 20 yards if you could place the ball in the fairway to make your second shot? I would............ I am just back to playing after my 4th back fusion.  I Just want to be playing; and not having to hit backwards back into the fairway from behind a tree or off some pine straw or all the other places that are not in the short grass........ Life  is good!!

I used to think this as well but the more I learn about strokes gained and course strategy the more I realize i want 20 yards even if I am in the rough. Being behind a tree is either that you need to work in the driver swing or you are picking a bad target.
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8 minutes ago, cnosil said:


I used to think this as well but the more I learn about strokes gained and course strategy the more I realize i want 20 yards even if I am in the rough. Being behind a tree is either that you need to work in the driver swing or you are picking a bad target.

Yup. Lot easier hitting a 7i into a green than a 5i. 

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It got no love from me.  I took it on the course for a trial run.  I hit my Ping G400 Max better (definitely longer and dispersion was similar).  It sounded awful, to boot.  I also did not like it as much as a Cobra RadSpeed and a Callaway Epic Speed that I also played on the course on different days.   That being said, it doesn't mean that it isn't the right driver for you (or others).  Sounds as if you tested it on a launch monitor and it performed better than the others you tested.  Accept the information.  Enjoy your club and hit it long and well.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:


I used to think this as well but the more I learn about strokes gained and course strategy the more I realize i want 20 yards even if I am in the rough. Being behind a tree is either that you need to work in the driver swing or you are picking a bad target.

Completely agree and the data doesn't lie.

This is a big reason why I went to a 45.5" driver.  First, at 6'2", looking at how I address the ball, that length club doesn't look silly.  Secondly, my misses weren't nearly bad enough to force myself into a shorter length club.  

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I disagree, I still say if you have a driver that keeps you in play in the short grass and for the sake of argument lets call that where the ball can be seen or something as opposed to having to go after a ball in heavy, thick, deep, what ever you want to call it, I would take the ball 10 or 20 yards back and a clean contact on the ball. I have yet to play from behind a tree or rocks or another hazard when landing in the short grass. A nice clean 6 iron off the fairway instead of a 7 or 8 out of rough works much better for me and the conditions I play in. 

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I have had the 425 Max in the bag for about 8 rounds now and a couple hundred range balls. This driver is seriously a game changer for me. I am good for 50-70% fairways now. The key for me is the mis hits. The punishment is drastically reduced with the 425 Max compared to the other tested (SIM2, Cobra RAD, Callaway). 

Ultimately when it comes to playing the game, getting the score down and just being overall happy with results on the course, the 425 Max is hands down doing it for me! The shafts all produced similar results, but the feel of the Rogue White loading and at impact felt the best for me.

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I’ll stick to my G410 LST; I can’t stand how the 425 sounds, and it’s no longer than my 410 LST


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It’s all in how you hit them mate. I loved my g400 LST for years until I hit a mavrik. Picking up 20-30 yards with the same accuracy made it a no brainer for me. But when I tried the get a mavrik 3-wood to keep that going, it lost out hard to the cobra sz, which was also much cheaper. But I wanted that Mav so bad. But, the cobra is in my bag, because it was longer and more accurate... 

Accuracy is good, but 20-30 yards per hole add up to shorter shots in.

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