T100S 48 vs SM8 48/50

[PingMD702]

Hey everyone! My current wedge set up is 44 and 48 T100s with a 54 and 60 SM8. I have noticed that the face of the 48 T100s is a bit hot when it comes to bump and run shots. I am contemplating swapping that out for a SM8. My question is should I just go 48 to match the set or would it be better to go 50? I did the Vokey Wedge Selector Tool and it picked 50 54 60 based off my 44 PW loft. I was also thinking of getting a 48 and bending it to 49 to maintain a 5 degree gap with my wedges. There are so many variables in play just wanted to get some guidance from the MGS Fam! Thank you to everyone in advance for your input! 

[RickyBobby_PR]

It’s about predictability. Swapping a set wedge for a “specialty” wedge is personal preference.  There might be some added versatility you get with the speciality wedge. If you can predict the landing and rollout of the set wedge and it does everything you need it to do in other areas then no need to swap out. If you feel like you have to adjust your approach because the set wedge act differently than you are used to from a previous set then going specialty wedge would be a possible better route

[Shankster]

I have the T-100•S and recently picked up a SM8 48° wedge to fill the gap.  I don’t use it for anything but full swings usually, so I kind of wish I went with the 48° I’m from the set. 

[PingMD702]

3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It’s about predictability. Swapping a set wedge for a “specialty” wedge is personal preference.  There might be some added versatility you get with the speciality wedge. If you can predict the landing and rollout of the set wedge and it does everything you need it to do in other areas then no need to swap out. If you feel like you have to adjust your approach because the set wedge act differently than you are used to from a previous set then going specialty wedge would be a possible better route

I just can't seem to control the distance with it. Its painful when they roll off the back hahaha 

[PingMD702]

8 minutes ago, Shankster said:

I have the T-100•S and recently picked up a SM8 48° wedge to fill the gap.  I don’t use it for anything but full swings usually, so I kind of wish I went with the 48° I’m from the set. 

mine came with my set I just only started to use it. On full shots, the 48 is great! The bump and run shots feel really hot off the face as opposed to my old SM8 50 I could get that to roll up to 3-4 feet with ease. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

6 minutes ago, PingMD702 said:

I just can't seem to control the distance with it. Its painful when they roll off the back hahaha 

Did you have a set wedge with whatever you had before the t100s? 
 

With the specialty wedge you will lose some of the “forgiveness” of the set wedge 

[GolfSpy_SHARK]

So I added a 48* sm8 this off season specifically to be a specialty wedge like @RickyBobby_PRwas talking about. I am thinking about versatility around the greens, none of my wedges are typically used as full shots. My pitching wedge is a 45* and that’s used for full shots and that’s part of my 790 set.

[PingMD702]

Did you have a set wedge with whatever you had before the t100s? 
 
With the specialty wedge you will lose some of the “forgiveness” of the set wedge 

My previous set was the 620 cb that went up to PW. I’ve always played a gap wedge. It was only up until recently I decided to put the set gw in the bag.


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[TR1PTIK]

2 hours ago, PingMD702 said:

mine came with my set I just only started to use it. On full shots, the 48 is great! The bump and run shots feel really hot off the face as opposed to my old SM8 50 I could get that to roll up to 3-4 feet with ease. 

Based on what you're saying about your concerns with the set wedge being too hot for a bump-and-run, I'd elect to go with an SM8 if you really think you won't be able to adjust to the T100S. My only concern would be the gapping if you do use the club for full shots at all. If you're transitioning from a club with a hot face and some forgiveness to a specialty wedge then you would probably want to avoid creating a large gap between your PW and GW. My recommendation would be to do a gap analysis and look specifically at the distance rather than the loft unless you want a particular grind that's only offered in one loft and not the other. 

2 hours ago, PingMD702 said:

I was also thinking of getting a 48 and bending it to 49 to maintain a 5 degree gap with my wedges.

If you were going to have a wedge adjusted to 49-degrees as mentioned above, I'd take into consideration whether you want to add or remove bounce and offset (however small of an adjustment it would appear to be).

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 hours ago, PingMD702 said:

My previous set was the 620 cb that went up to PW. I’ve always played a gap wedge. It was only up until recently I decided to put the set gw in the bag.


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1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said:

Based on what you're saying about your concerns with the set wedge being too hot for a bump-and-run, I'd elect to go with an SM8 if you really think you won't be able to adjust to the T100S. My only concern would be the gapping if you do use the club for full shots at all. If you're transitioning from a club with a hot face and some forgiveness to a specialty wedge then you would probably want to avoid creating a large gap between your PW and GW. My recommendation would be to do a gap analysis and look specifically at the distance rather than the loft unless you want a particular grind that's only offered in one loft and not the other. 

If you were going to have a wedge adjusted to 49-degrees as mentioned above, I'd take into consideration whether you want to add or remove bounce and offset (however small of an adjustment it would appear to be).

This covers my thoughts as well.

[PingMD702]

6 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

Based on what you're saying about your concerns with the set wedge being too hot for a bump-and-run, I'd elect to go with an SM8 if you really think you won't be able to adjust to the T100S. My only concern would be the gapping if you do use the club for full shots at all. If you're transitioning from a club with a hot face and some forgiveness to a specialty wedge then you would probably want to avoid creating a large gap between your PW and GW. My recommendation would be to do a gap analysis and look specifically at the distance rather than the loft unless you want a particular grind that's only offered in one loft and not the other. 

If you were going to have a wedge adjusted to 49-degrees as mentioned above, I'd take into consideration whether you want to add or remove bounce and offset (however small of an adjustment it would appear to be).

I am going to hit the simulator tomorrow and get some numbers for you guys! With this test should I just do 44, 48, 54, 60 while getting data on the SM8 48/50 as well? How many shots per club would give a decent picture in terms of gapping? Thanks for all the tips! 

[Mctwist937]

I like to have a bump and run shot that feels like the effort travels the same distance as my putter, so I would play around around and select by that. For me my 45 degree pw set wedge is also too hot. I use a vokey 50 which is too slow if anything. Been toying with the idea of a vokey 46 for pw

[RickyBobby_PR]

6 hours ago, PingMD702 said:

I am going to hit the simulator tomorrow and get some numbers for you guys! With this test should I just do 44, 48, 54, 60 while getting data on the SM8 48/50 as well? How many shots per club would give a decent picture in terms of gapping? Thanks for all the tips! 

I dont need the numbers. The gapping comment was pointing out a concern one should look at when swapping clubs. You should start with your 44 and get your avg. 5 shots should work and would prevent too many shots and you potentially changing swing to get certain numbers. 4-6* gap is what’s normally recommended with a yardage of 12-16 yards between them on full shots. 
 

Your testing should be to use each of the club however you do on the course and find the loft that fits what you are comfortable with in yardage gaps

[TR1PTIK]

8 hours ago, PingMD702 said:

I am going to hit the simulator tomorrow and get some numbers for you guys! With this test should I just do 44, 48, 54, 60 while getting data on the SM8 48/50 as well? How many shots per club would give a decent picture in terms of gapping? Thanks for all the tips! 

What @RickyBobby_PR said above is correct. In the past I've scheduled a gap analysis with a club fitter and had clubs adjusted (if needed). It only took around 5 swings with each club (sometimes less, sometimes 1 or 2 more) and we dialed everything in around 10-12 yards.

A lot of people like to go for the perfect 4-degree gaps between clubs, but that really isn't how it plays out in reality. Shaft length, head weight, CG location, MOI properties, face construction, etc. all play a role in determining how far the ball will go.

[Larryd3]

just a suggestion but why not do your bump and run shots with the 54 Vokey instead of the gap wedge?  I used to do all my chipping with a gap wedge and my teacher moved me to use my 58 for all of those shots now.  Took a little getting used to but overall I've become a better chipper.  I use my set gap wedge for full shots mainly.  Making that change is sure cheaper than buying new wedges and for me very effective.  

[TR1PTIK]

1 hour ago, Larryd3 said:

just a suggestion but why not do your bump and run shots with the 54 Vokey instead of the gap wedge?  I used to do all my chipping with a gap wedge and my teacher moved me to use my 58 for all of those shots now.  Took a little getting used to but overall I've become a better chipper.  I use my set gap wedge for full shots mainly.  Making that change is sure cheaper than buying new wedges and for me very effective.  

I started to ask a similar question because I can play a bump and run with a variety of clubs just depending on what the shot requires, but it ultimately comes down to what the individual is most comfortable with and willing to devote time to. Certainly anyone could learn to hit a particular shot with almost any club, but time and effort remains an issue unless you're lucky enough to golf full-time.

[Larryd3]

43 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I started to ask a similar question because I can play a bump and run with a variety of clubs just depending on what the shot requires, but it ultimately comes down to what the individual is most comfortable with and willing to devote time to. Certainly anyone could learn to hit a particular shot with almost any club, but time and effort remains an issue unless you're lucky enough to golf full-time.

Agree completely.  For me, it wasn't that big of a change and it didn't take a bunch of time but one size doesn't fit all.  

[Shankster]

Kind of off topic, but one of my favorite shots last fall was a 7 iron from 100 yards, a bump and run I suppose.  Low, bounding shot.  Going to go do that this afternoon.

[PingMD702]

Here’s the number from the simulator today. I did my set up first and got numbers for the SM8 48 and 50. Tell me what you guys think!! Thanks!

[RickyBobby_PR]

49 minutes ago, PingMD702 said:

Here’s the number from the simulator today. I did my set up first and got numbers for the SM8 48 and 50. Tell me what you guys think!! Thanks!

There’s no difference in distance between the set 48 wedge and the 48 vokey. The 48 and 50 vokey has no real difference. 
 

it’s whatever you want to go with that feels comfortable for you and your game

[TR1PTIK]

8 hours ago, Shankster said:

Kind of off topic, but one of my favorite shots last fall was a 7 iron from 100 yards, a bump and run I suppose.  Low, bounding shot.  Going to go do that this afternoon.

I've used it on occasion. Not one I practice much, but have been fortunate to pull off when needed. 

[TR1PTIK]

15 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There’s no difference in distance between the set 48 wedge and the 48 vokey. The 48 and 50 vokey has no real difference. 
 

it’s whatever you want to go with that feels comfortable for you and your game

I agree. Saw a couple of data points that could maybe be tossed to try and arrive at a "true" number, but overall it wouldn't make any significant difference. I do find the data for the 50 a little bit curious. Is the data presented in the same order you hit the clubs in? Possible you could have been a lot more warmed up and in a groove by the time you got to the 50 to produce some of those numbers.

[PingMD702]

I agree. Saw a couple of data points that could maybe be tossed to try and arrive at a "true" number, but overall it wouldn't make any significant difference. I do find the data for the 50 a little bit curious. Is the data presented in the same order you hit the clubs in? Possible you could have been a lot more warmed up and in a groove by the time you got to the 50 to produce some of those numbers.

Ya that was my order of hitting. Started with the 60 because I don’t that very far to begin with. I agree that I could be more warmed up by the time I got to the 54. With that said, I’ll just practice with the set gw or maybe just use my 54 for the bump and runs. I like the idea I only have to change 2 wedges as opposed to 3 or 4 haha


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[GaDawg]

Personally, I don't box myself in on certain clubs or degrees of loft on chipping. To me, it comes down to course conditions and the type of lie I have. I change the way I hold the club, open it more, etc. on chips. In my set up I have a 50, 56 and 60 set of Vokey wedges. There is not one type set up fits everyone.

[Tsecor]

On 3/24/2021 at 3:27 PM, PingMD702 said:

Hey everyone! My current wedge set up is 44 and 48 T100s with a 54 and 60 SM8. I have noticed that the face of the 48 T100s is a bit hot when it comes to bump and run shots. I am contemplating swapping that out for a SM8. My question is should I just go 48 to match the set or would it be better to go 50? I did the Vokey Wedge Selector Tool and it picked 50 54 60 based off my 44 PW loft. I was also thinking of getting a 48 and bending it to 49 to maintain a 5 degree gap with my wedges. There are so many variables in play just wanted to get some guidance from the MGS Fam! Thank you to everyone in advance for your input! 

i highly dount 1 degree will make that big of a difference throughout the course of a round. 

[PingMD702]

Update! I stuck with my set up and posted my best round ever haha I’ll take the 74!


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