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Micah T

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I have to admit, I’m not loving my new sm8’s like I did previous generations...

 

I’m noticing I just don’t hit them as far as my sm7’s or sm6’s; even took them to the launch monitor to confirm. My average 56 is 10 yards shorter than previous models; my 60 is about 12 yards shorter on average. They seem “less forgiving”; not that a blade wedge has much forgiveness to begin with. My 52 flies the same, could it be that I went with the black pvp finish on the 56 & 60?Did the CoG change? What gives?

 

 

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I have to admit, I’m not loving my new sm8’s like I did previous generations...
 
I’m noticing I just don’t hit them as far as my sm7’s or sm6’s; even took them to the launch monitor to confirm. My average 56 is 10 yards shorter than previous models; my 60 is about 12 yards shorter on average. They seem “less forgiving”; not that a blade wedge has much forgiveness to begin with. My 52 flies the same, could it be that I went with the black pvp finish on the 56 & 60?Did the CoG change? What gives?
 
 
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Per the marketing they have changed the COG. What was the difference in spin, launch angle, and loft at impact ?

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Did you play the SM7? The progressive CoG started with the SM7 so if you are used to striking it at a certain spot, that might change your launching conditions.

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Have you had the lofts checked? If not start there to make sure they are the correct lofts. If not then have them adjusted and re-compare 

The finish shouldnt have any impact 

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Have you had the lofts checked? If not start there to make sure they are the correct lofts. If not then have them adjusted and re-compare 
The finish shouldnt have any impact 

Lofts were checked; turns out my 56 was at 55 but still flying 10 yards shorter than my old sm6


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Just now, Micah T said:


Lofts were checked; turns out my 56 was at 55 but still flying 10 yards shorter than my old sm6


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Cool. So the next thing to look at is what @cnosilposted about comparing the ball flight numbers to see where things differentiate between the two

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@cnosil this 1st data set is from my 56 sm8

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2nd data set is from my old sm6 56 degree

These are averages; I switched back and forth every 3 shots


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Cool. So the next thing to look at is what [mention=15174]cnosil[/mention]posted about comparing the ball flight numbers to see where things differentiate between the two

What’s interesting to me is that the CoG change seems to make me create a different path/shape shot. More of a draw with the Sm6 and more of a fade with the Sm8. Which explains some of the distance difference...


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Did you play the SM7? The progressive CoG started with the SM7 so if you are used to striking it at a certain spot, that might change your launching conditions.

I only replace my 60 degree every year: I didn’t notice a drastic difference between sm6 and sm7, but a big loss of distance with the sm8. With my 52 and 56, I jumped from sm6 to sm8, and while the 52 is the exact same for me, the 56 has already been benched and I’m back to the sm6. With the sm8 I just seem to hit a lot of slightly fat shots on-course, never an issue with the sm6.


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47 minutes ago, Micah T said:

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@cnosil this 1st data set is from my 56 sm8

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2nd data set is from my old sm6 56 degree

These are averages; I switched back and forth every 3 shots


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SM8 has higher launch,more spin, and lower ball speed which equals less distance.    Basically just how the club works.

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5 minutes ago, cnosil said:

SM8 has higher launch,more spin, and lower ball speed which equals less distance.    Basically just how the club works.

That’s what I saw too. Also different peak height 

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8 hours ago, Micah T said:


I only replace my 60 degree every year: I didn’t notice a drastic difference between sm6 and sm7, but a big loss of distance with the sm8. With my 52 and 56, I jumped from sm6 to sm8, and while the 52 is the exact same for me, the 56 has already been benched and I’m back to the sm6. With the sm8 I just seem to hit a lot of slightly fat shots on-course, never an issue with the sm6.


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The SM7 are my first set of Vokeys, coming from Mizuno wedges I had nothing to compare to.

A friend of mine went from SM6 to SM7 and he didn't like the progressive CoG. Not quite the issue you have, but thought might throw it in there as a possibility.

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SM8 has higher launch,more spin, and lower ball speed which equals less distance.    Basically just how the club works.

I’ve noticed the increased spin, but i always thought a higher spinning shot would be a higher shot overall; I guess I just need a 50, 54, & 58, instead of a 52, 56, & 60. Thanks for the help fellas


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I actually find that I am hitting the SM8 longer than the SM6 that I had.  I would say it's around 5 yards longer.  The only difference is that I have the KBS Tour shaft compared to the Vokey wedge shaft that was in the SM6.   

I tested the SM7, but the feel was there there for me.  I had something similar happen with my Callaway MD5 wedge.  I got the lie adjusted and it made a world of difference!  Started hitting in the same window and similar distance that I would see in my lob wedge.

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2 hours ago, Micah T said:


I’ve noticed the increased spin, but i always thought a higher spinning shot would be a higher shot overall; I guess I just need a 50, 54, & 58, instead of a 52, 56, & 60. Thanks for the help fellas emoji1431.png


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That is true.  Think about drivers and GI type clubs.   Distance somes from less spin.  The more spin it has the more it wants to climb which as you are seeing may lead to less distance.    This is is a typical problem people see when they switch from set wedges to specialty wedges and why you just can't gap based on the degrees of loft;  you actually have to hit the club to see how far it goes.  

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Seems interesting that it would have such different numbers.  I am no expert, but are the shaft weights and length the same?  Are the grips the same?

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After initially replacing both my 56 & 60 degree Sm8 with a TM high-toe 60 and a TW 56, the 60 degree sm8 has gone back into the bag, as I’m so much more accurate on short partial shots and chips with it. It dawned on me that maybe I shouldn’t be hitting my most lofted wedges all out, and sent me to the range to practice/learn how to hit knock-down and partial shots with my 56 & 52. The taylormade TW series wedges are amazing and I actually prefer it to my sm8, so I’ll bring the high toe back to Uintah golf and get the TW 60 degree, and test that head-to-head against my sm8 60 degree.

 

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They stopped making my wedge after the SM6, L grind 58, so I keep tracking those down on ebay.

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I definitely have improved my short game after starting to take more partial wedges shots with my 9, PW, 52 and 56 vs a full / mostly full 60. I now only take a 60 out when I’m short sided (and have to take it over a bunker) or in a deep bunker with a need to get up and stop it.

Taking full swings with a 60 has proven to be a poor choice for me most of the time.  When I played and practiced more it was fairly consistent, but now it’s generally a disaster waiting to happen. 

It may not be as cool as hitting it high and sucking it back, but shots are generally closer to the pin with less disaster holes on the card. 

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16 hours ago, KC Golf said:

I definitely have improved my short game after starting to take more partial wedges shots with my 9, PW, 52 and 56 vs a full / mostly full 60. I now only take a 60 out when I’m short sided (and have to take it over a bunker) or in a deep bunker with a need to get up and stop it.

Taking full swings with a 60 has proven to be a poor choice for me most of the time.  When I played and practiced more it was fairly consistent, but now it’s generally a disaster waiting to happen. 

It may not be as cool as hitting it high and sucking it back, but shots are generally closer to the pin with less disaster holes on the card. 

Yeah I was getting too caught up with a specific yardage, and the horrible idea that only one club could hit that yardage. Learning to hit a couple of clubs the same distance has just helped me control my shots and my score better.

 

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