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The moment you have all been waiting for! The new Titleist Pro V1x Ball Lab review is up on MGS site now (link: https://mygolfspy.com/ball-lab-titleist-pro-v1x/ ) and it has surprising...and unsurprising results.

Biggest note of interest I saw was that it's a firm ball, which we knew, but it's less firm than the V1x Left Dash - I mistakenly thought it was the other way around.

 

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:nike-small: VRS Covert 3W 15* - Kuro Kage 65 S-flex

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14 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Left dash is close to, if not the firmest tour ball on the market. I couldn’t stand the sound and feel off the putter 

I bet! How would you describe the sound? More like hitting a hollow brick, or tapping a bell?

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7 minutes ago, GolfSpy_THV said:

I bet! How would you describe the sound? More like hitting a hollow brick, or tapping a bell?

Clicky.  Noticeably higher pitched than the standard Pro V1

1 minute ago, Shankster said:

I thought it was going to crack my driver.  It’s like hitting a piece of granite.

I never got past the putting green with them. 

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The results are in stark contrast to what GolfballGuts found on his instagram profile. The majority of his new Pro V1x balls had off center cores. Very interesting.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNizwuolG3a/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Driver: Callaway Paradym @ 10.5º (Fujikura Ventus Red Velocore TR Stiff)

4 Wood: Titleist TSr 2 @ 14.5º

Driving Iron: Ping iCrossover 17º (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX 80 Stiff)

Irons: Taylormade Stealth 4-P (Fujikura Ventus Blue Graphite 7 Stiff)

Wedges: Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore 48º, 52º, 56º (TT Dynamic Gold Tour Issue)

Putter: Odyssey AI One Jailbird Mini

Ball: Titleist ProV1X, MaxFli Tour X 2023, MaxFli Tour 2023, Titleist AVX

Tested: Tommy Armour Impact No. 3 (LINK)

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Not surprised by the findings and why everyone in the industry considers the brand the gold standard 

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Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

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15 minutes ago, PeterHenric said:

The results are in stark contrast to what GolfballGuts found on his instagram profile. The majority of his new Pro V1x balls had off center cores. Very interesting.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNizwuolG3a/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I'm just going to copy and paste this from the Ball Lab information page as to the testing.

Core Centeredness – The object of our centeredness test is not to put the ball under a microscope, count millimeters and otherwise nitpick. The goal is to identify irregularities that are likely to have meaningful performance implications.

While we note any core that is visibly off-center to the naked eye, a ball is only deemed “bad” when the core is significantly off-center.

If you look at his most recent video we're talking an off centered core of less than a millimeter and at most 2 millimeters. Not saying it shouldn't be factored, but also not the death knell either.

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I am 0% shocked at the results of this test.

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I'm just going to copy and paste this from the Ball Lab information page as to the testing.

Core Centeredness – The object of our centeredness test is not to put the ball under a microscope, count millimeters and otherwise nitpick. The goal is to identify irregularities that are likely to have meaningful performance implications.

While we note any core that is visibly off-center to the naked eye, a ball is only deemed “bad” when the core is significantly off-center.

If you look at his most recent video we're talking an off centered core of less than a millimeter and at most 2 millimeters. Not saying it shouldn't be factored, but also not the death knell either.


According to Titleist, if a core is off center by the width of a credit card (.76mm) then dispersion can double. I agree that it would be hard to see .76mm but the ones over 1mm and up to 2mm are easily visible to the eye. Right?

This being said, I’m not against titleist. I was just surprised to see that MGS had 0 off center cores but GolfBallGuts had the majority of them being off center. It’s just surprising.


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Irons: Taylormade Stealth 4-P (Fujikura Ventus Blue Graphite 7 Stiff)

Wedges: Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore 48º, 52º, 56º (TT Dynamic Gold Tour Issue)

Putter: Odyssey AI One Jailbird Mini

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1 minute ago, PeterHenric said:

This being said, I’m not against titleist. I was just surprised to see that MGS had 0 off center cores but GolfBallGuts had the majority of them being off center. It’s just surprising.

If anything, this makes me want to go back to the other Ball Labs. If GBG counted those cores as off-centered and MGS didn't, then thinking about the other Ball Labs where MGS had more balls listed as off-center means that GBG would've found them basically unplayable!

This kinda reminds me of the "debate" about launch monitors and which one is more accurate, etc. As long as each one is consistent, it can be usable. (I know my PRGR isn't as accurate as a GC Quad, but as long as its internally consistent, it works for my purposes. Grumble grumble something about accuracy vs precision grumble.)

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46 minutes ago, PeterHenric said:


According to Titleist, if a core is off center by the width of a credit card (.76mm) then dispersion can double. I agree that it would be hard to see .76mm but the ones over 1mm and up to 2mm are easily visible to the eye. Right?

This being said, I’m not against titleist. I was just surprised to see that MGS had 0 off center cores but GolfBallGuts had the majority of them being off center. It’s just surprising.


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Hard to say, but worth noting that we're dealing with a hobbyist vs. a testing center on this. Not to knock GBG, I love his content but at the end of the day, he's just a content guy.

Also, while I know everyone looks at the value rating as perfect, there is no perfect box of balls. It's why I really enjoy that variable graphic Tony has added in comparing box to box to box. There are fluctuations in the box, but across the board it's pretty good. Might you find a weird one, I would say you would, but even in the world of averages it would seems GBG may just be unlucky with his boxes as we're dealing with two statistical extremes between those tests. 

Perhaps also there are differences in batches sent to Canada, where he buys from since he lives in Alberta, and the US. I'm certain that may not be the case, but another variable to consider.

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  • Golfspy_CG2 changed the title to MGS Ball Lab - '21 Titlesit Pro V1x Left Dash

Hey @Golfspy_CG2, I know you just recently changed the title, but the article is about Pro V1X Vanilla 2021... just trying to help.

Also, figured I'd post this here since Tony actually addressed in the comments the issues Golf Ball Guts guy was having with his findings. I've copied and pasted verbatim from his comment.

"

I suspect it’s an optical illusion. A PVC cutter works similarly to a log splitter. It’s basically a wedge. When the core material is pliable (like it is with TaylorMade, Callaway, and some others) you get really clean cuts. When it’s brittle (like Titleist’s), you get uneven cuts, chunking. Anything other than a nearly flat surface will absolutely make cores look off center – in some cases WAY off center, so it’s imperative that you spend some time factoring in the quality of the cut.

My broad stroke conclusion from my samples were that balls that looked a bit off-center were actually centered and that balls that looked way off-center were only slightly off-center. Noted, but not flagged as bad.

Basically, we saw what he saw, but we also found that in the majority of cases two things were true 1) cores that appeared off-center were invariably off-center in the direction of the fracture line (where the ball cracked and or split during cutting) and 2) the cleaner the cut, the more centered the core appears. At some point that stops being conincidence.

Short version – it became readily apparent that what I was seeing was likely attributable to the cut itself.

Titleist’s core material splits quite a bit, and anecdotally, I believe the material in the new models is more brittle than the previous model.

For what it’s worth, I have an overseas balls contact who warned me about just this issue when we started. His assertion was that the cut can sometimes lie. His concern was that guys would start grabbing PVC cutters and posting pics without regard for the influence the cut itself was having on perceptions…and so here we are.

My gauge measurements tell me that the new Pro V1x is one of the most consistent balls in the database. Almost invariably, when we do find significant issues inspecting our cutaways, they correlate with things we see in our gauge measurements (out of round balls, and wide compression ranges within the ball itself being the most common).

When Guts Guy can produce a full complement of gauge measurements, I suppose then we’d be on level footing to have a proper conversation.

Here’s why:

If there is a widespread and significant problem with the cores, it’s going to show up on the gauges. It’s why we,. as soon as we realized cutting wasn’t nearly enough, we invested in a proper set of tools.

Fully measuring balls is time-consuming, and not nearly as glamorous as cutting a ball and screaming about how bad it looks, but we also know it’s also the right way to do it.

Simply cutting a ball doesn’t tell you nearly enough, and in some cases, it will flat out lie to you."

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Just saw Tony's response on the article page. It is very thorough and well thought out.

I would be very curious to listen in on Tony and GBG having a discussion about procedures and measurements and stuff like that. Would probable be entertaining and informative.

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4 Wood: Titleist TSr 2 @ 14.5º

Driving Iron: Ping iCrossover 17º (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX 80 Stiff)

Irons: Taylormade Stealth 4-P (Fujikura Ventus Blue Graphite 7 Stiff)

Wedges: Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore 48º, 52º, 56º (TT Dynamic Gold Tour Issue)

Putter: Odyssey AI One Jailbird Mini

Ball: Titleist ProV1X, MaxFli Tour X 2023, MaxFli Tour 2023, Titleist AVX

Tested: Tommy Armour Impact No. 3 (LINK)

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  • Golfspy_CG2 changed the title to MGS Ball Lab - '21 Titlesit Pro V1x
36 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

Hey @Golfspy_CG2, I know you just recently changed the title, but the article is about Pro V1X Vanilla 2021... just trying to help.

Also, figured I'd post this here since Tony actually addressed in the comments the issues Golf Ball Guts guy was having with his findings. I've copied and pasted verbatim from his comment.

"

 

wow, either I'm going blind, or didn't have enough coffee this morning, or Tony is messing with me.  probably one of the first two, as I'm not worth his time to mess with.ha

But when I got the email link this morning, before it was posted I swore it was for Left Dash.  I was busy this am and didn't have time to post it.  Went to do it later and saw THV did, but didn't see Left Dash in the title, so wanting to avoid any confusion, I changed it, without looking any further.   Ever hear of the term, leave well enough alone.  Yeah, guess I should follow that advice 🙂

 

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39 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

wow, either I'm going blind, or didn't have enough coffee this morning, or Tony is messing with me.  probably one of the first two, as I'm not worth his time to mess with.ha

But when I got the email link this morning, before it was posted I swore it was for Left Dash.  I was busy this am and didn't have time to post it.  Went to do it later and saw THV did, but didn't see Left Dash in the title, so wanting to avoid any confusion, I changed it, without looking any further.   Ever hear of the term, leave well enough alone.  Yeah, guess I should follow that advice 🙂

 

Haha, no problem Rob. Looking at the email link and subject line I totally understand why you'd think that way. It wasn't the best email MGS has ever sent out. You get back to 100% and keep on keeping on.

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:taylormade-small: Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S 

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  • GolfSpy MPR changed the title to MGS Ball Lab - '21 Titleist Pro V1x
21 hours ago, Berg Ryman said:

Hey @Golfspy_CG2, I know you just recently changed the title, but the article is about Pro V1X Vanilla 2021... just trying to help.

Also, figured I'd post this here since Tony actually addressed in the comments the issues Golf Ball Guts guy was having with his findings. I've copied and pasted verbatim from his comment.

"

I suspect it’s an optical illusion. A PVC cutter works similarly to a log splitter. It’s basically a wedge. When the core material is pliable (like it is with TaylorMade, Callaway, and some others) you get really clean cuts. When it’s brittle (like Titleist’s), you get uneven cuts, chunking. Anything other than a nearly flat surface will absolutely make cores look off center – in some cases WAY off center, so it’s imperative that you spend some time factoring in the quality of the cut.

My broad stroke conclusion from my samples were that balls that looked a bit off-center were actually centered and that balls that looked way off-center were only slightly off-center. Noted, but not flagged as bad.

Basically, we saw what he saw, but we also found that in the majority of cases two things were true 1) cores that appeared off-center were invariably off-center in the direction of the fracture line (where the ball cracked and or split during cutting) and 2) the cleaner the cut, the more centered the core appears. At some point that stops being conincidence.

Short version – it became readily apparent that what I was seeing was likely attributable to the cut itself.

Titleist’s core material splits quite a bit, and anecdotally, I believe the material in the new models is more brittle than the previous model.

For what it’s worth, I have an overseas balls contact who warned me about just this issue when we started. His assertion was that the cut can sometimes lie. His concern was that guys would start grabbing PVC cutters and posting pics without regard for the influence the cut itself was having on perceptions…and so here we are.

My gauge measurements tell me that the new Pro V1x is one of the most consistent balls in the database. Almost invariably, when we do find significant issues inspecting our cutaways, they correlate with things we see in our gauge measurements (out of round balls, and wide compression ranges within the ball itself being the most common).

When Guts Guy can produce a full complement of gauge measurements, I suppose then we’d be on level footing to have a proper conversation.

Here’s why:

If there is a widespread and significant problem with the cores, it’s going to show up on the gauges. It’s why we,. as soon as we realized cutting wasn’t nearly enough, we invested in a proper set of tools.

Fully measuring balls is time-consuming, and not nearly as glamorous as cutting a ball and screaming about how bad it looks, but we also know it’s also the right way to do it.

Simply cutting a ball doesn’t tell you nearly enough, and in some cases, it will flat out lie to you."

This turned in to an ongoing conversation on Twitter and IG too, with the same individuals calling Tony and MGS hypocrites over taking Callaway to the wood shed for centeredness issues but (in their eyes) glossing over or explaining away off-center cores in the ProV1X.  Tony provided this same rebuttal/response on those forums, but as you would expect on social media, there are conspiracy theorists dug in to the notion that MGS has it in for Callaway and is getting paid by Titleist.

It's really kind of sad that there are people so cynical that they can't/won't accept that a company could truly be brand agnostic and not biased.  As Tony laid out in the comments section of the article and two social media forums, the cut impacts the core of a Titleist ball more so than other brands, so accurately assessing the balls quality requires more than a PVC cutter.  End of story.

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21 hours ago, Berg Ryman said:

Hey @Golfspy_CG2, I know you just recently changed the title, but the article is about Pro V1X Vanilla 2021... just trying to help.

Also, figured I'd post this here since Tony actually addressed in the comments the issues Golf Ball Guts guy was having with his findings. I've copied and pasted verbatim from his comment.

"

I suspect it’s an optical illusion. A PVC cutter works similarly to a log splitter. It’s basically a wedge. When the core material is pliable (like it is with TaylorMade, Callaway, and some others) you get really clean cuts. When it’s brittle (like Titleist’s), you get uneven cuts, chunking. Anything other than a nearly flat surface will absolutely make cores look off center – in some cases WAY off center, so it’s imperative that you spend some time factoring in the quality of the cut.

My broad stroke conclusion from my samples were that balls that looked a bit off-center were actually centered and that balls that looked way off-center were only slightly off-center. Noted, but not flagged as bad.

Basically, we saw what he saw, but we also found that in the majority of cases two things were true 1) cores that appeared off-center were invariably off-center in the direction of the fracture line (where the ball cracked and or split during cutting) and 2) the cleaner the cut, the more centered the core appears. At some point that stops being conincidence.

Short version – it became readily apparent that what I was seeing was likely attributable to the cut itself.

Titleist’s core material splits quite a bit, and anecdotally, I believe the material in the new models is more brittle than the previous model.

For what it’s worth, I have an overseas balls contact who warned me about just this issue when we started. His assertion was that the cut can sometimes lie. His concern was that guys would start grabbing PVC cutters and posting pics without regard for the influence the cut itself was having on perceptions…and so here we are.

My gauge measurements tell me that the new Pro V1x is one of the most consistent balls in the database. Almost invariably, when we do find significant issues inspecting our cutaways, they correlate with things we see in our gauge measurements (out of round balls, and wide compression ranges within the ball itself being the most common).

When Guts Guy can produce a full complement of gauge measurements, I suppose then we’d be on level footing to have a proper conversation.

Here’s why:

If there is a widespread and significant problem with the cores, it’s going to show up on the gauges. It’s why we,. as soon as we realized cutting wasn’t nearly enough, we invested in a proper set of tools.

Fully measuring balls is time-consuming, and not nearly as glamorous as cutting a ball and screaming about how bad it looks, but we also know it’s also the right way to do it.

Simply cutting a ball doesn’t tell you nearly enough, and in some cases, it will flat out lie to you."

I thought the response from Tony was reasonable. However, why not pull out a pair of calipers and measure if the core was off-center? You can have all the optical illusions in the world but measuring with calipers isn't going to lie. I think the ball testing is good and I truly appreciate it but there is always small catches with a lot of what MGS does. But that is probably just the nature of the business. 

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I guess you could give yourself a margin for error or use a different method of cutting the balls. Instead of using a PVC cutter, use a band saw or something like that. That way you ensure that it isn’t an optical illusion. Also, GBG does say that he smooths the ball out before measuring so there really shouldn’t be an optical illusions, right? The core can’t actually be moving inside the ball when it is cut.

When doing the measurements on core centeredness, give a .5-.8 mm wiggle room. Anything over a certain pre-determined parameter would then be flagged.


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4 Wood: Titleist TSr 2 @ 14.5º

Driving Iron: Ping iCrossover 17º (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX 80 Stiff)

Irons: Taylormade Stealth 4-P (Fujikura Ventus Blue Graphite 7 Stiff)

Wedges: Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore 48º, 52º, 56º (TT Dynamic Gold Tour Issue)

Putter: Odyssey AI One Jailbird Mini

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