2021 Tony-fest, Part Deux (Catawba Island Club, Make-up Date 9/19/21)

[MattF]

I'm with @MaxEntropy on that. Mohican Hills should have been paying us to be there, it was hot garbage.

[tobybtlr]

I’ve got a group golfer from Ashland CC.  I’m looking forward to playing it.  I enjoy playing different golf courses and I’m definitely willing to drive somewhere and play.    A few years ago about 30 guys from GolfWrx played 3 outings around Ohio in the summer. It was fun. If something got set up I’d probably be able to round up a few guys that would also be interested in playing 

[Lakeeriegolfer]

Oh wow, I didn't get that at all from Mohican. Played it twice last year, once at the end of September and it seemed like it was in fine shape for a muni course.  Greens always really fast and smooth. I played with a guy who told me they were sold back in 2018, so maybe it took them a year or two to get it back in good shape.  The distance from my house is all that stops me from playing it once a week. 

A beautiful manicured country club it is not. There are definitely some burned out spots, but I thought it was a really cool and challenging routings with great greens. 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Lakeeriegolfer
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[jrodking11]

1 hour ago, MaxEntropy said:

I'll pass on that....

@MattF, @Mr_Theoo, my friend Mike, and I played there a couple summers ago. It was garbage! The layout seemed pretty nice but the course conditions were a joke. Have you played there recently?

Agreed on this @MaxEntropy. Mohican Hills and Hawk's Nest have both gone down hill a lot over the past 10 years and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone anymore other than just a normal course that's nothing special. Can't speak on Dear Ridge though as I haven't played it in a long time. 

[Lakeeriegolfer]

This is wild, I honestly think those two courses are great and in my top ten in the area for both quality and value, Hawks Nest especially.  Maybe I have much lower standards, but I think I have played a very diverse realm of courses to know what really nice (Portage CC, Oberlin GC) and really bad (Pine Brook, Mallard) are.

[MaxEntropy]

49 minutes ago, Lakeeriegolfer said:

This is wild, I honestly think those two courses are great and in my top ten in the area for both quality and value, Hawks Nest especially.  Maybe I have much lower standards, but I think I have played a very diverse realm of courses to know what really nice (Portage CC, Oberlin GC) and really bad (Pine Brook, Mallard) are.

Maybe we caught Mohican at a bad time? As I recall, it was early September after a hot summer and many of the greens were burned out and had crusty bare spots. Plenty of places in the fairways had gone native, too. I'm not super picky either - I've played Raccoon Hill enough to know it is mostly a goat track, but I still play it and have fun.

[DiscipleofPenick]

Right there is lots of hot garbage on the westside of Cleveland. I thought Mohican Hills was a state park, so I'm not sure how it was sold. And I grew up 10 minutes from Punderson, another state park, and that course was always in very nice shape. Hawk's Nest was good shape and a really fun layout, but it's been about 3 years.

This is wild, I honestly think those two courses are great and in my top ten in the area for both quality and value, Hawks Nest especially.  Maybe I have much lower standards, but I think I have played a very diverse realm of courses to know what really nice (Portage CC, Oberlin GC) and really bad (Pine Brook, Mallard) are.

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[DiscipleofPenick]

God do I hate that stupid course. They left all this open area in the middle as they're dumb af happy grass then cram 3 or 4 holes into a corner of the property where there should be one

Maybe we caught Mohican at a bad time? As I recall, it was early September after a hot summer and many of the greens were burned out and had crusty bare spots. Plenty of places in the fairways had gone native, too. I'm not super picky either - I've played Raccoon Hill enough to know it is mostly a goat track, but I still play it and have fun.

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[Mr_Theoo]

14 hours ago, MaxEntropy said:

I'll pass on that....

@MattF, @Mr_Theoo, my friend Mike, and I played there a couple summers ago. It was garbage! The layout seemed pretty nice but the course conditions were a joke. Have you played there recently?

Yea, I’ll quit golf before I ever play there again

[Haggerty]

On 4/17/2021 at 8:37 PM, DiscipleofPenick said:

Where do you live? (approximate) We can PM if you want.
 

 

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I am in Cleveland Area (Independence) pretty much directly in the middle of both west and east side.

[Haggerty]

16 hours ago, Lakeeriegolfer said:

This is wild, I honestly think those two courses are great and in my top ten in the area for both quality and value, Hawks Nest especially.  Maybe I have much lower standards, but I think I have played a very diverse realm of courses to know what really nice (Portage CC, Oberlin GC) and really bad (Pine Brook, Mallard) are.

Valley of Eagles is really nice layout IMO.   I mainly play on the east side or hinckley area though, I play Boulder Creek most mondays as its the time when it is open and not over booked.   Stone Water, Manakiki, Pine Hills, little Mountain (chardon) are probably my favorite courses in the area but I have only been playing golf for a few years now so haven't played a whole lot of courses.

[DiscipleofPenick]

I'm on the near westside, but grew up in Geauga, so really familiar with the east side courses too. I just played Seneca on Saturday, such a good course now that the metro parks finished the restoration.

I like courses you've mentioned, but I've never played Little Mountain.

Off the top of my head, here are my top 5 east/west/south lists:

East:
Sugar Bush
Chardon Lakes
Windmill Lakes
Manakiki
Boulder Creek

West:
Sleepy Hollow
Eagle Creek
Gray Hawk
Pleasant Valley
Pine Hills

South:
Raintree
Seven Hills
Turkeyfoot Lake
Hawk's Nest
Fox Den

Like I said before the westside is a lot of hot garbage. Dead flat, short, poorly maintained courses that charge $50+ on weekends. If there's a course that you think is missing (Quarry) it's probably because I've not played it.

Let me know what y'all agree/disagree and where I should try to play this year.

Valley of Eagles is really nice layout IMO.   I mainly play on the east side or hinckley area though, I play Boulder Creek most mondays as its the time when it is open and not over booked.   Stone Water, Manakiki, Pine Hills, little Mountain (chardon) are probably my favorite courses in the area but I have only been playing golf for a few years now so haven't played a whole lot of courses.

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[Haggerty]

17 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

I'm on the near westside, but grew up in Geauga, so really familiar with the east side courses too. I just played Seneca on Saturday, such a good course now that the metro parks finished the restoration.

I like courses you've mentioned, but I've never played Little Mountain.

Off the top of my head, here are my top 5 east/west/south lists:

East:
Sugar Bush
Chardon Lakes
Windmill Lakes
Manakiki
Boulder Creek

West:
Sleepy Hollow
Eagle Creek
Gray Hawk
Pleasant Valley
Pine Hills

South:
Raintree
Seven Hills
Turkeyfoot Lake
Hawk's Nest
Fox Den

Like I said before the westside is a lot of hot garbage. Dead flat, short, poorly maintained courses that charge $50+ on weekends. If there's a course that you think is missing (Quarry) it's probably because I've not played it.

Let me know what y'all agree/disagree and where I should try to play this year.
 

 

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I live 5 minutes from Sleepy Hollow, I actually am not a really huge fan of it mainly because how the greens play.

I am playing 9 at shale creek sunday, will be the first time i play there.  I just hope it warms up by then lol.

[tony@CIC]

41 minutes ago, Haggerty said:

Valley of Eagles is really nice layout IMO.   I mainly play on the east side or hinckley area though, I play Boulder Creek most mondays as its the time when it is open and not over booked.   Stone Water, Manakiki, Pine Hills, little Mountain (chardon) are probably my favorite courses in the area but I have only been playing golf for a few years now so haven't played a whole lot of courses.

We had a Ohio Gettogether at Pins Hills last year - 8 guys - lots of fun. 

[DiscipleofPenick]

I know the greens can have some impossible pins if they decided, but I've not really had issues on the greens there. My only problems with Sleepy are the starters/rangers that are snobby and the fact it's tough to get out before 3 on a weekend.

Shale is a fantastic layout, but I've never played it in optimal conditions, only in April when the weekday rate is below $40. I need to play it in the summer to see what kind of course it really is.

I live 5 minutes from Sleepy Hollow, I actually am not a really huge fan of it mainly because how the greens play.

I am playing 9 at shale creek sunday, will be the first time i play there.  I just hope it warms up by then lol.

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[Haggerty]

1 minute ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

I know the greens can have some impossible pins if they decided, but I've not really had issues on the greens there. My only problems with Sleepy are the starters/rangers that are snobby and the fact it's tough to get out before 3 on a weekend.

Shale is a fantastic layout, but I've never played it in optimal conditions, only in April when the weekday rate is below $40. I need to play it in the summer to see what kind of course it really is.

 

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Thats what I hear, I have the luxury of a 4 day workweek so I can get on the nicer courses on a monday when they aren't overbooked.  I think Boulder Creek as the best layout in area just love the course but its unbearable to play on the weekends as the course is long and not easy so a 6 hour round on the weekend is not unheard of.   The wife would kill me if i did that lol.

[DiscipleofPenick]

That's the problem when they build a course that's too difficult for 90% of golfers. Thankfully I don't think I've ever seen the black tees set at the actual position of 7400 yards or whatever.

Thats what I hear, I have the luxury of a 4 day workweek so I can get on the nicer courses on a monday when they aren't overbooked.  I think Boulder Creek as the best layout in area just love the course but its unbearable to play on the weekends as the course is long and not easy so a 6 hour round on the weekend is not unheard of.   The wife would kill me if i did that lol.

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[Haggerty]

14 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

That's the problem when they build a course that's too difficult for 90% of golfers. Thankfully I don't think I've ever seen the black tees set at the actual position of 7400 yards or whatever.

 

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true, i play off the white tees there anyways, its still 6800 yards

[Haggerty]

2 hours ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

That's the problem when they build a course that's too difficult for 90% of golfers. Thankfully I don't think I've ever seen the black tees set at the actual position of 7400 yards or whatever.

 

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The far back spots are the championship tees, think its 7600 yards.  They only put them out on tournament weeks I believe,.

[DiscipleofPenick]

The far back spots are the championship tees, think its 7600 yards.  They only put them out on tournament weeks I believe,.

Right, I've played the blacks, but they're always 2 tee boxes up from the back. And there's a few holes where they either demolished the back tee or there is no back tee where they say there is one anymore. They have to set the course up to be much shorter than the states yardage for the simple fact of pace of play and sanity's sake. It was the same at Seneca this past week. They had most of the tees forward, and a set of purple tournament tees listed on the scorecard that weren't even out.

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